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NFL’s Proposed National Anthem Rules: Penalties for Kneeling Being Considered

CharlesDavenport said:
Not sure what your point is, but I think most people agree that a football game is the wrong time and place. I will grant you that I think the vast majority of protests are a waste of time and usually a pain in the *** for some people just trying to go about their life.
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My point is every place it the wrong way to protest in this country. First the message of the protest is attacked, and the people/group doing it. Then if the protests has merit for a cause, the place where the protest takes place is always viewed as the wrong venue or place to do so. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Multi-cultural actors can't voice their concerns and hopes for a brighter common future when a VP is in their house.
Artists can't voice their concerns when people are coming to enjoy their art
Football players can't peacefully protest, so the media and pundits make it about something else completely, just to sew discontent.

This is America. You have the ability to peacefully protest in this country. Saying you can't protest somewhere, because it's 'not the right place' goes against the first amendment. I will defend 1A as strongly as 2A, 3A, 4A, etc. It all starts with 1A. And we start putting restrictions on it, then the rest of the rights will fall.
 
These players want respect but show none, Players of today will not except staying off the field they are so full of themselves and want their mugs on TV, that is the important thing to most players. How many go out in the real word and do anything about what their latest cause is. That action would take effort, hell they have hard enough time trying to learn their position let alone anything else. We all blame the NFL but the one player started this crap and the media was bored as they jumped all over it, then the players started jumping on the band wagon and then a new cause each week. The NFL no matter what the did would have been the scape goats. I'm not sick of the NFL I'm sick of the players.. Like has been said the players can get together and find a new way of trying to show up their employers, They have not one bit of respect for how fortunate they are to be in the position they are and the living they make as they spit on the very symbol of the country that allows this. When I saw where Burns came back on the Steelers owners for trying to give an exclamation of new rules, just enforced my opinion of some of the type players we are forced to watch on Sunday;s
 
Cope said:
My point is every place it the wrong way to protest in this country. First the message of the protest is attacked, and the people/group doing it. Then if the protests has merit for a cause, the place where the protest takes place is always viewed as the wrong venue or place to do so. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Multi-cultural actors can't voice their concerns and hopes for a brighter common future when a VP is in their house.
Artists can't voice their concerns when people are coming to enjoy their art
Football players can't peacefully protest, so the media and pundits make it about something else completely, just to sew discontent.

This is America. You have the ability to peacefully protest in this country. Saying you can't protest somewhere, because it's 'not the right place' goes against the first amendment. I will defend 1A as strongly as 2A, 3A, 4A, etc. It all starts with 1A. And we start putting restrictions on it, then the rest of the rights will fall.
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First Amendment doesn't apply to restrictions on your speech from your employer in the workplace. In a stadium at a football game is the players' workplace.
Ask Marge Schott and Jimmy The Greek, if, you know, they weren't dead.
 
Cope said:
My point is every place it the wrong way to protest in this country. First the message of the protest is attacked, and the people/group doing it. Then if the protests has merit for a cause, the place where the protest takes place is always viewed as the wrong venue or place to do so. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Multi-cultural actors can't voice their concerns and hopes for a brighter common future when a VP is in their house.
Artists can't voice their concerns when people are coming to enjoy their art
Football players can't peacefully protest, so the media and pundits make it about something else completely, just to sew discontent.

This is America. You have the ability to peacefully protest in this country. Saying you can't protest somewhere, because it's 'not the right place' goes against the first amendment. I will defend 1A as strongly as 2A, 3A, 4A, etc. It all starts with 1A. And we start putting restrictions on it, then the rest of the rights will fall.
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The First Amendment doesn't give everybody the right to protest wherever and whenever they want. Surprised that you would make that interpretation.
 
Artie Burns says this new rule is bullying.
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And, he said -
“It makes you look bad,” he said. “The whole team is out there (standing) and you come jogging out, (and people are) like, ‘Oh, he's the guy that's (protesting). Who wants to go through that? That's humiliating to us as a person.
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Hey Artie, if your humiliated to be seen doing something, you shouldn't do it.
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers...-burns-compares-nfl-anthem-policy-to-bullying

I was all for this draft pick. Now not so much.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
The First Amendment doesn't give everybody the right to protest wherever and whenever they want. Surprised that you would make that interpretation.
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They have the right, and you have the right to protest at work. Your job can fire you for going against their brand, if they disagree or if its controversial, because it can effect sales.

The NFL isn't doing that. Instead of firing/suspending players, they are attacking the message and shifting the rage, because the shield is too gutless to address it head on.
 
Cope said:
My point is every place it the wrong way to protest in this country. First the message of the protest is attacked, and the people/group doing it. Then if the protests has merit for a cause, the place where the protest takes place is always viewed as the wrong venue or place to do so. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Multi-cultural actors can't voice their concerns and hopes for a brighter common future when a VP is in their house.
Artists can't voice their concerns when people are coming to enjoy their art
Football players can't peacefully protest, so the media and pundits make it about something else completely, just to sew discontent.

This is America. You have the ability to peacefully protest in this country. Saying you can't protest somewhere, because it's 'not the right place' goes against the first amendment. I will defend 1A as strongly as 2A, 3A, 4A, etc. It all starts with 1A. And we start putting restrictions on it, then the rest of the rights will fall.
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I agree with you Cope to this extent, everyone has a right to protest in this country, regardless of race, color, religion, identity, etc. But those that do protest need to understand that not all will agree with said protest, and that is their right as well, and there may well be consequences from their employer.

Personally, if I am shelling out several hundred dollars for a sporting event or concert, I'm not interested in the performers personal opinion, just shut up and sing! I'm laying the cash on the line to see them perform, whether football , a singer, or an actor. The performer still has a right to continue to push their personal agenda, and I as a consumer, have a right to spend my dollars elsewhere. Why do the Dixie Chicks come to mind?
 
Cope said:
They have the right, and you have the right to protest at work. Your job can fire you for going against their brand, if they disagree or if its controversial, because it can effect sales.

The NFL isn't doing that. Instead of firing/suspending players, they are attacking the message and shifting the rage, because the shield is too gutless to address it head on.
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they shouldn't have had to address it in the first place.I question not the right, but that it was even worthy in comparison.Most of America has known for a long time that the workplace isn't fitting for protests not related to the job.


1. Odd that it was made a black issue when a small percentage of bad cops are shooting /mistreating blacks and whites unjustly. But yet the topic is how they treat black people. Always pushing that race agenda -divide.

2. More fitting protests (on their time, my time is when the channel is on, or I am at the game) would have been deaths resulting from gang violence, the dumb-ing down of curriculum within the US. Educate these kids. The alarming percentages of one parent black households. Solve these problems and the police issues decrease, and the country is better all for it.

3. Hell I tune into NFL network daily. And here and there Nate is bringing up something about color.The constant topic is issue ridden to begin with. Why is it color always has to be a topic? Go on twitter and see how many white people talk about being white. As long as this is a mindset, you will always have increased division.When I meet up with my mom in Vegas, half the family is black. Including a family friend that joins us in our hangouts. Never is color brought up. Because none of us care what color the other is. Or feel the need to let everyone know what color they are.

Oh there is a lot of issues within America, but for one race to zero in on Police Officers based off actions of a few, is down right silly in comparison.

Sorry for the rant, I just tire of finger pointing, and the media blowing up topics, that aren't the heart of the bigger problems that exist present day.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
Artie Burns says this new rule is bullying.
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And, he said -

Hey Artie, if your humiliated to be seen doing something, you shouldn't do it.
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers...-burns-compares-nfl-anthem-policy-to-bullying

I was all for this draft pick. Now not so much.
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Yep, now I know why I thought he was a bad pick. I got no patience for spoiled brats that have had everything given to them because they are good athletes. This comment is very close to pushing me to college football or Hockey.

"Tell us how you really feel, Artie. The Steelers have never had any player actually protest during the national anthem so this sentiment is somewhat surprising from Burns. Is he going to be the first Steelers player to take a knee?"

I'm with this.....
Trump said. “You have to stand proudly for the National Anthem or you shouldn’t be playing. You shouldn’t be there. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the country.”
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It's amazing to see so many people here that would not have any portion of their second amendment rights infringed upon, willing to give up rights to free speech, when they don't agree with the message.

I will also continue to point out, none of us would know about the athlete's body posture for any game during the regular season, unless the NFL chose to talk about and report it. They do not televise the national anthem during the regular season.

Lastly, the sign of a successful protest, is that people are talking about the issue. Mission accomplished.
 
Cope said:
Lastly, the sign of a successful protest, is that people are talking about the issue. Mission accomplished.
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Mission accomplished for the individuals involved in the protest. For the business that employs them which loses viewership and money due to boycotting because of said protests.....mission not accomplished.
 
Cope said:
It's amazing to see so many people here that would not have any portion of their second amendment rights infringed upon, willing to give up rights to free speech, when they don't agree with the message.

I will also continue to point out, none of us would know about the athlete's body posture for any game during the regular season, unless the NFL chose to talk about and report it. They do not televise the national anthem during the regular season.

Lastly, the sign of a successful protest, is that people are talking about the issue. Mission accomplished.
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If the mission was alienating your fan base it worked. I see them now more than ever as spoiled rich *******. Go out into your communities and work on police, black community relationships. Wearing pig socks doesn't really help the situation. Neither does snitches get stitches. They could really use there influence to help with positive change, but they don't.
 
Cope said:
It's amazing to see so many people here that would not have any portion of their second amendment rights infringed upon, willing to give up rights to free speech, when they don't agree with the message.
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Your employer has the right to regulate your speech in the workplace. First Amendment only applies to the government restricting your speech.
 
The entitled trophy culture thinks they have a Constitutional right to say whatever they want wherever they want.
 
Cope said:
It's amazing to see so many people here that would not have any portion of their second amendment rights infringed upon, willing to give up rights to free speech, when they don't agree with the message.

I will also continue to point out, none of us would know about the athlete's body posture for any game during the regular season, unless the NFL chose to talk about and report it. They do not televise the national anthem during the regular season.

Lastly, the sign of a successful protest, is that people are talking about the issue. Mission accomplished.
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The first amendment says nothing about workplace behavior. Does an elementary school teacher have the right to protest indecent exposure laws by showing up to work nude? **** no!

I don’t really care about the Anthem protests or if the NFL banned them, but it’s absurd to imply that an employer can’t regulate their employees behavior while working.
 
Paul Zeiss on 93.7 The Fan had an excellent idea last night. Teams simply stay in the locker room until after the national anthem. Takes the issue away from both sides of the argument.

I like it. Go ahead and kneel for the NA in the locker room if you want. The public won't see you so **** you and your opinion.
 
Cope said:
It's amazing to see so many people here that would not have any portion of their second amendment rights infringed upon, willing to give up rights to free speech, when they don't agree with the message.

I will also continue to point out, none of us would know about the athlete's body posture for any game during the regular season, unless the NFL chose to talk about and report it. They do not televise the national anthem during the regular season.
Lastly, the sign of a successful protest, is that people are talking about the issue. Mission accomplished.
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Cope, there is more talk about the NATIONAL ANTHEM posture than the protest topic. Hard to even know the protest topic as all we here about is if the y have the right to freedom of speech or not, work place or not. What's lost is the actual protest and cause of.



Salute the nation
 
Artie Burns is typical of what we see in the NFL today, they feel they have the right to protest or say what they feel but that the ones they get a pay check or the fans don't have the same rights. Artie Burns gets bullied each week by opposing receivers yet he has not stood up to any of them. For Burns to say this after Mr Rooney tried to explain the NFL reasoning , typifies the self entitlement of a bunch of spoiled players that have no guts to go out in the world they hate so much and do something about it. Burns lack of respect foe one sector and not realize what the latest protest is , is the typical jump on the band wagon syndrome we have witnessed in the last few years. They play a game, they don't deal with everyday work related real issues that so many have to adjust to. Hell they can't even adjust to new rules which is odd, the rest of us have to live by.
 
Another genius chimes in about First Amendment rights -
“I say ‘disgusting’ because of our First Amendment rights,” Marshall said. “We have freedom of speech, right? Freedom to protest? Because somebody decides to protest something, now have to be kicked out of the country?
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So Trump says maybe you should be here if you don't respect the anthem, and these idiots go spasmodic about imaginary Constitutional rights and a straw man about getting kicked out of the country.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bron...n-trump-comments-anthem-policy-151008488.html
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Paul Zeiss on 93.7 The Fan had an excellent idea last night. Teams simply stay in the locker room until after the national anthem. Takes the issue away from both sides of the argument.

I like it. Go ahead and kneel for the NA in the locker room if you want. The public won't see you so **** you and your opinion.
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Teams did stay in the locker rooms before the national anthem prior to 2008. In partnership with the pentagon to raise service enlistment or commitments, the players then were required to be visible for the anthem after 2007.


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Cope said:
Lastly, the sign of a successful protest, is that people are talking about the issue. Mission accomplished.
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Well, considering a ton of people are talking about respecting the flag rather than issue of why many of the players were kneeling, I wouldn't exactly say mission accomplished.
 
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