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NFL’s Proposed National Anthem Rules: Penalties for Kneeling Being Considered
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Exactly. The NFL is floundering and fumbling once again. This will accomplish exactly nothing, except maybe temporarily smooth over some righteous indignation of some who have demanded the NFL do something. That is - until analysts continue to talk about it, except this time dwell on who stayed in the locker room.
This is where I have to disagree. Just because you weren't paying attention, doesn't mean there weren't goals.
From August 2016 when this started: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-anthem-protest-much-much/
Q: What are you trying to accomplish? What’s the goal?
-KAEPERNICK: I mean, ultimately it’s to bring awareness and make people realize what’s really going on in this country. There are a lot of things that are going on that are unjust, people aren’t being held accountable for, and that’s something that needs to change. That’s something that–this country stands for freedom, liberty, justice for all. And it’s not happening for all right now.
Q: What would you like to see changed?
-KAEPERNICK: There’s a lot of things that need to change. One specifically is police brutality, there’s people being murdered unjustly and not being held accountable.
The cops are getting paid leave for killing people. That’s not right. That’s not right by anyone’s standards.
Seems to me that the protest was originally about bringing awareness to police brutality to bring about accountability for officers who murder with impunity
A year later, Eric Reid: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...d-goal-of-anthem-protests-is-to-create-change
NFL Network's Tom Pelissero asked Reid what he hopes comes out of protests around the league:
"Change. The accountability for officers that step outside of the line," Reid said. "We want our president to be a president and not threaten to shut down the government over a wall. To change the oppression that happens in this country, it has no place in the world, let alone America. So, I think our goal is to just keep talking about it. Hopefully, we ... inspire people to do something about it through our protests. And this isn't something that's new. I've learned a lot of things throughout the past year about athletes that have talked about the same things that we're talking about. So, the goal is to just create some change."
I think it's pretty clear that the goal is for officers who commit police brutality be held accountable, through heightened awareness of the issue by the public - accomplished through very public, very visible protests. Which is why they can't just go home and do it on their own time in their basements.
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virtue signalling at its finest
I don't think you'll see many players stay in the locker room.
Ratings are dropping because teams aren't allowed to play defense, tackle, or know what a catch or TD is anymore. Changing the game killed the sport.
Also 256 games played in the regular season. You know how many of them show the National Anthem? Zero.
It's an issue only because it's being reported.
Also 256 games played in the regular season. You know how many of them show the National Anthem? Zero.
It's an issue only because it's being reported.
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Yes the NFL is delaying the inevitable and enabling the world to blame these external factors that have nothing to do with the **** quality of their product and their ****** management of it.
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Dumb *** league. All they did was bring this back into the spotlight with even more confusion. Now, come week 1, this is all the Trump loving corporate media is going to talk about. Cause while NFL ratings are sliding, news ratings are going up. Full on Trump, all the time.
I don't know what cave you've been in, but the media hates President Trump.
This is where the NFL (Rog) is missing an opportunity in my opinion. While the talking heads are not directly employed by the NFL, they can certainly be swayed in what they can and can't say on the air.
If the NFL (Roger) had any balls, he would say STFU about the anthem, and focus the cameras on the flag and fans. The players feeling slighted would then be free to donate their time and money on the perceived problem, instead of the photo op.
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Right. Love, hate, whatever, he's pure ratings gold mine for them. Trump this trump that trump trump and more trump. They couldn't put him on tv enough before the election, and they've got him on even more now.
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Players are speaking out against this policy. I find that humorous for a few reasons. First, they act as if the few minutes during the anthem are their only"platform" to be heard. How do i keep hearing all their views on the kneeling then? It would seem that they have a plenty big platform already.
That leads into reason two. Staying in the locker room is effectively the same thing as kneeling, is it not? They are still protesting. It will still be noted that they protested. What is the difference? They aren't on camera while off the field.
I really do think that this is a fashion trend for many of the players. They want to be SEEN doing it.
That leads into reason two. Staying in the locker room is effectively the same thing as kneeling, is it not? They are still protesting. It will still be noted that they protested. What is the difference? They aren't on camera while off the field.
I really do think that this is a fashion trend for many of the players. They want to be SEEN doing it.
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I agree with some of what you said (mainly the part about this rule not accomplishing anything). But this part here I’m confused by. Why is this a bad thing? The entire point of protests is to be seen, to be disruptive, to make people uncomfortable. This isn’t about doing something just to feel good about doing something. They actually want things to change thru heightened public awareness and outrage of the issue - which can only be accomplished by doing it in a way that is visible, disruptive, and possibly uncomfortable for some.
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Staying in the lockers room accomplishes the same. As does saying whatever the hell they want in interviews, on twitter, facebook, or renting the Goodyear blimp.
Actually, staying in the locker room is a much better protest at this point. Kneeling convinces nobody. It is divisive and hardens each side's already held positions. It's pretty stupid at this point. Now it's simply being done almost on spite against Trump.
The players already extorted the NFL into giving them a social justice fund. Players like Malcolm Jenkins are already meeting with lawmakers to air their grievances.
Trump recently started looking into prison reform. Jenkins' pet cause. If he refuses to go to the white house, it's a red flag to me that he's a poser choosing the pat on the back from the media for "stiicking it" to Trump rather than taking the opportunity to talk to the President about prison reform.
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yes, and nobody has a problem with them protesting, just the time and place of it.
My god, this anthem issue is so ridiculous. And the new rules are, too. So if your´re on the sideline you have to respect the flag. Yeah OK, very clear. I just hope the Steelers organization decides to keep everyone in the locker room and make a public declaration that this is not out of any form of protest, but to avoid any misunderstandings about who´s protesting and who´s not.
Otherwise there will be too much spotlight on this whole damn thing. Did this guy scratch his nose because it was itching, or was he being disrespecful? Did this guy have a hardon out of respect, or was he just excited before the game? And so on... I´m sick of it already, and the season isn´t even close to starting...
Otherwise there will be too much spotlight on this whole damn thing. Did this guy scratch his nose because it was itching, or was he being disrespecful? Did this guy have a hardon out of respect, or was he just excited before the game? And so on... I´m sick of it already, and the season isn´t even close to starting...
I continue to be surprised how a group of supposedly intelligent people such as the NFL owners and execs just don't have a feel for things. Another example of puddle stomping. The puddle was settling down, it was clearing, and along comes the NFL to stomp in the puddle and muddy up the waters again. Dumbasses.
That being said, I still hold the players more accountable in this. They run around talking about freedom of speech and all that, right to protest, etc. I 100% support their right to do that. At the same time, don't those who disagree with their stand have just as much right to express their disagreement? Does the President, whoever it is, abdicate their right to freedom of speech when he or she becomes President? The players choose to kneel during and the anthem, which is extremely public, knowing it would bring a reaction, and then they get all hurt when the reaction they get isn't 100% in agreement? Cmon, man, grow up. The problem with too many today is they want to protest, say things, do things, but go completely unchallenged. At the end of the day, where is the bravery in that?
That being said, I still hold the players more accountable in this. They run around talking about freedom of speech and all that, right to protest, etc. I 100% support their right to do that. At the same time, don't those who disagree with their stand have just as much right to express their disagreement? Does the President, whoever it is, abdicate their right to freedom of speech when he or she becomes President? The players choose to kneel during and the anthem, which is extremely public, knowing it would bring a reaction, and then they get all hurt when the reaction they get isn't 100% in agreement? Cmon, man, grow up. The problem with too many today is they want to protest, say things, do things, but go completely unchallenged. At the end of the day, where is the bravery in that?
With any peaceful protest in this country, it seems it's never the right time or the right place...
Do it on your own time not company time. If I did **** like that at my job I would be fired. Do that on your own time. The only thing it has accomplished is getting a ton of fans to turn it off.
Well stated.
My thing is, why do it during the national anthem? Disrespecting our patriotic fellow Americans is NOT the way to protest. If you are an NFL player and want to protest and get your point across, there are SO MANY other ways to do it. Hold a press conference to explain your points. The media WILL come and air it. Spend a little of your millions and rent a conference room and hold a discussion forum where everyone can express their views. Invite like minded people, or better yet, some of both sides to have an intelligent conversation. Hold community events to discuss and shed light on the injustice. There are so many ways to better accomplish your goal.
Roger goodell is an asshat.
That said. I agree with the league to hire or fire or make rules that protect their own image. Their league, Their rules. We can watch or not.
Players can protest. Or not. Thats their right.
Its the right of the NFL to hire or fire who they want.
That said. I agree with the league to hire or fire or make rules that protect their own image. Their league, Their rules. We can watch or not.
Players can protest. Or not. Thats their right.
Its the right of the NFL to hire or fire who they want.
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The only thing you should protest at work is....work. In this case, the protests have nothing to do with football...don't like cops? Protest at cop shops....not football stadiums.
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Good. The NFL joined just about every other employer who prefer that employees don’t be ******** on company time.
If I could triple like this post, I would.
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Not sure what your point is, but I think most people agree that a football game is the wrong time and place. I will grant you that I think the vast majority of protests are a waste of time and usually a pain in the *** for some people just trying to go about their life.