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Mike DeCourcy says the Steelers should move on from Bell

Tibs said:
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Roethlisberger Defends Tomlin From Lack Of Discipline Claims While At Pro Bowl
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...fends-tomlin-lack-discipline-claims-pro-bowl/

You won't need to wait long for a response from Tomlin-haters:

- Ben's just saying that cause Rooney put pressure on him to do so
- Ben actually hates Tomlin and is going out of his way to straight-up lie to the media
- Tomlin slipped him $100 bucks to say nice things about him
- and on and on...
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Thanks for the link, hadn't seen this

I wouldn't classify Ben's comments there as a ringing endorsement tho. He could have come out a lot stronger for Tomlin than that.

IMO those comments sound a lot like how Ben used talk about Haley
 
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Players will defend regardless of if they are pro or con. It is the politically correct thing to do. Like Ben did with Haley?

Does it mean Ben is frustrated with Tomlin? no

does it mean he isn't ? no

some of yinz just love you a story to hang your opinion hat on

Right now Ben won the internal struggle I am sure every one and their mother looks good to him.

I am more interested in the going ons with the defense. That would be the story...............
 
slashsteel said:
Players will defend regardless of if they are pro or con. It is the politically correct thing to do. Like Ben did with Haley?

Does it mean Ben is frustrated with Tomlin? no

does it mean he isn't ? no

some of yinz just love you a story to hang your opinion hat on

Right now Ben won the internal struggle I am sure every one and their mother looks good to him.

I am more interested in the going ons with the defense. That would be the story...............
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The DEFENSE is the bigger story right now and QUESTION number one is will we be able to afford any upgrades due to a contract negotiation in progress currently?????????? If Coach Cool Shades truly is fluffing the defense I wish he would publicly acknowledge it. It's OK but make a statement about it and own up. If Butler promotion included scapegoat money the n it's OK as is but I could hardly think Butler agreed to that.




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Ron Burgundy said:
He did but no one called with the big money he was expecting, if they called at all. Somehow he failed to recognize that he sucked except for one-half of one season, the last year of his rookie contract. If I'm a GM I look at that and say this is a guy who will turn it on in his contract year and be a slacker the rest of the time.
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And you know this how? lol Worilds might not have got top money but he could of got millions of dollars he just had other priorities in life.
 
nooneuno said:
And you know this how?
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Because I remember.

lol Worilds might not have got top money but he could of got millions of dollars he just had other priorities in life.
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That's the whole thing. He wanted top money and when no one stepped up he retired. Again, for a lot of pro athletes their yardstick is the money, not how many tackles they make or how many points they score.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-departure-from-football/stories/201503110155

Worilds turned down a chance to earn a contract that would have averaged $7 million-$8 million annually with guaranteed earnings of between $14 million and $16 million
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Ron Burgundy said:
He did but no one called with the big money he was expecting, if they called at all. Somehow he failed to recognize that he sucked except for one-half of one season, the last year of his rookie contract. If I'm a GM I look at that and say this is a guy who will turn it on in his contract year and be a slacker the rest of the time.
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He retired before any offers. Dude didn't want to play football. He never became a free agent.

Eagles fans were throwing out numbers between $7-$10M to sign him when they drooling over his availability.
 
madinsomniac said:
Its academic but that isnt true... you are thinking of a team siging a non exclusive franchise player to a tender... that is the only place that rule applies... franchised players that aren't signing can have their rights be traded for anything...

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

This is the current cba. Under the same terminology in reference to the franchise player the Packers traded a franchised player in 2008 for a second round pick...

Again, if you made Bell non exclusive then a team needs its own two first rounders to offer him a tender, but trading rights is totally unrestricted for the team holding them...
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Thanks Mad for providing that excellent resource. It is bookmarked for my referencing now!

I read through all of the Franchise Player information, and at no time does it mention draft compensation, except only when it relates to a franchised player that sits out a year:

If such a player is redesignated as a Franchise
Player for the League Year following the League Year in which he does not play,
the player may be designated only under Section 2(a)(i) above, except that Draft Choice
Compensation of only one first round draft selection and one third round draft selection
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Neither of us yet have concrete proof of the rules involved with these trades.
 
Cope said:
He retired before any offers. Dude didn't want to play football. He never became a free agent.

Eagles fans were throwing out numbers between $7-$10M to sign him when they drooling over his availability.
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So the Eagle's fan were throwing out numbers of $7-10 mill ......lol. Gotcha.
 
Cope said:
Thanks Mad for providing that excellent resource. It is bookmarked for my referencing now!

I read through all of the Franchise Player information, and at no time does it mention draft compensation, except only when it relates to a franchised player that sits out a year:



Neither of us yet have concrete proof of the rules involved with these trades.
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I always forget to bookmark or save material like that and it does come in handy... I really wish I had saved the copy of the refs guidebook that leaked online in the mid 2000's.
It showed how the league influenced how and what penalties to call. The one on NFL.com is the chump's version... it barely has any clarifications on it.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Because I remember.


That's the whole thing. He wanted top money and when no one stepped up he retired. Again, for a lot of pro athletes their yardstick is the money, not how many tackles they make or how many points they score.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-departure-from-football/stories/201503110155
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Because you remember? lol So you were involved in any negotiations Worilds might of had huh? Were you his agent?
At the end of the day Worilds quit football to do missionary work so it's pretty laughable that you're going on about money being the yardstick. The guy could of got an average contract and still made millions but instead he quit football to work for Jehovahs witness.
 
nooneuno said:
Because you remember? lol So you were involved in any negotiations Worilds might of had huh? Were you his agent?
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No but I was here and I read the papers.

At the end of the day Worilds quit football to do missionary work so it's pretty laughable that you're going on about money being the yardstick. The guy could of got an average contract and still made millions but instead he quit football to work for Jehovahs witness.
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You're missing the point. Worilds didn't want an average contract, he wanted well above average. Problem for him was that he was an average player at best. If you don't think that pro athletes in all sports use money as their yardstick then you haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years or so.
The link from the P-G I posted says what he turned down from the Steelers. If he got what he wanted he would have kept playing but the Steelers weren't going to pay that, hell, most of us thought it was stupid to franchise tag him and even pay him that much for a year. Obviously no one else wanted to pay him more either. Because he sucked.
 
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madinsomniac said:
Its academic but that isnt true... you are thinking of a team siging a non exclusive franchise player to a tender... that is the only place that rule applies... franchised players that aren't signing can have their rights be traded for anything...

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

This is the current cba. Under the same terminology in reference to the franchise player the Packers traded a franchised player in 2008 for a second round pick...

Again, if you made Bell non exclusive then a team needs its own two first rounders to offer him a tender, but trading rights is totally unrestricted for the team holding them...
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I didnt realize this, but from what I know now is that you have to apply the exclusive tag to a player and then you could trade his rights.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
No but I was here and I read the papers.


You're missing the point. Worilds didn't want an average contract, he wanted well above average. Problem for him was that he was an average player at best. If you don't think that pro athletes in all sports use money as their yardstick then you haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years or so.
The link from the P-G I posted says what he turned down from the Steelers. If he got what he wanted he would have kept playing but the Steelers weren't going to pay that, hell, most of us thought it was stupid to franchise tag him and even pay him that much for a year. Obviously no one else wanted to pay him more either. Because he sucked.
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I disagree Ron. I don't think the amount had anything to do with it for Worlids. He just didn't think his health was worth any dollar amount. When 2 pro bowl LBs in San Fran retire close to the same year, it affects the whole league.
 
Cope said:
I disagree Ron. I don't think the amount had anything to do with it for Worlids. He just didn't think his health was worth any dollar amount. When 2 pro bowl LBs in San Fran retire close to the same year, it affects the whole league.
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I remember this, it did seem like his agent was wanting more, and there was no offers. But he did ultimately leave due to his faith. So I think it was out of the gates was a $ issue, but turned to his faith and settled on that decision...
 
From how I remember Worilds is we tagged him and gave him our best offer. He had another mediocre season and we no longer wanted to tag him or offer him the long term deal he turned down. He marginally tested the free agent market but from what he made off the tag vs what his skill set could demand was far different. He decided he’d made enough and retired healthy. Good for him but I feel the market for him was closer to 5 million a year and he just got done making 14. I guess he made 3 years worth of salary in one season so he took the money, ran, and is healthy to boot.


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