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Michael Flynn Resigns as National Security Adviser

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Explain to me how it's good for electing all 50 governors.....

I'll wait....

Its not a bad system... its meant to balance state power with popular power... its out of whack cause as with the limits on house seats, population overloads in cities and certain states without making adjustments to compensate for that has bent the system badly...

The country was never meant to be a true democracy... state governments were given more flexibility since they were the more powerful form of government early in the country
 

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Explain to me how it's good for electing all 50 governors.....

I'll wait....

Boy you need to study up on government and learn how our system is so uniquely designed.

Governors, mayors are state elected officials you simpleton.

We are supposed to be 50 separate independent STATES that are UNITED.

Independent in that each state has its own set of laws and rulers (governors), and even a military (Pa. National Guard)

The brilliance of the Founders discovered that in order for there to be fairness in electing a President to lead these 50 STATES that are UNITED, only the STATES through the Electoral College will decide which candidate will lead them....not the popular vote...of which 3 million were made up of a bunch of scumbag low info libs.


Did that help elfie?
 
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Its not a bad system... its meant to balance state power with popular power... its out of whack cause as with the limits on house seats, population overloads in cities and certain states without making adjustments to compensate for that has bent the system badly...

The country was never meant to be a true democracy... state governments were given more flexibility since they were the more powerful form of government early in the country

No it's not bad at all from the right wing point of view. Five elections have been taken from Democrats.

It was created when the system had no political parties. The elites thought the average person wasn't smart enough to pick a leader( this cycle proves how prophetic that thinking was) so the electors were exceptional citizens, today they are party hacks.

But the compromise made with the slave states are what compromised it.

None of that answers my question about the governors. All the arguments for the college are hogwash: rural voters being left out, etc. The same argument can be made for individual counties in a state where the governor is elected by popular vote.
 

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No it's not bad at all from the right wing point of view. Five elections have been taken from Democrats.

It was created when the system had no political parties. The elites thought the average person wasn't smart enough to pick a leader( this cycle proves how prophetic that thinking was) so the electors were exceptional citizens, today they are party hacks.

But the compromise made with the slave states are what compromised it.

None of that answers my question about the governors. All the arguments for the college are hogwash: rural voters being left out, etc. The same argument can be made for individual counties in a state where the governor is elected by popular vote.

Meh ive seen the breakdowns from both sides every time this debate comes up... California needs broken in 3 or 4 sections... pa in two, new york in 2.... texas in 3... and a few other population disparagies need corrected and then its a bit better balanced... people in states with unbalances often dont vote if they arent in the majority ... its one of the reasons the popular vote arguement is bullshit and you know it
 

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elfie ...

Try and generate an original thought rather than regurgitating idiocy you read on some left-wing shill site. Specifically, the candidates knew that the election involved electoral votes, and not the popular vote. They therefore targeted their efforts on swing states - North Carolina, Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Missouri., Arizona, etc

The candidates also ignored their "given" states and those belonging to the opposition. Trump and Clinton both ignored California, Illinois, New York, except for Clinton and the endless fundraisers.

If the candidates had to win the popular vote, then both would have campaigned differently. Trump would have stumped in rural Illinois, Central California, upstate New York, and on and on to turn out more votes in his favor.

He didn't, because those votes would NOT have turned those states, and he and Clinton both knew that.

So stop spewing nonsense about the popular vote, because (1) it never mattered and (2) if it had mattered, I have every reason to believe Clinton would have lost that vote as well. Look at it this way - in basically every toss-up state, Trump got the vote and won. If he had needed "x" votes for the election as a popular vote, he probably would have won that as well.
 

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Explain to me how it's good for electing all 50 governors.....

I'll wait....

Maybe the Democrats should be more concerned about how they select their own candidates....especially after their super-delegates were basically in the bag for the worst Presidential candidate in the last 100 years. Shame how their own party leadership slammed the door on them...but yeah, Electoral College right?

Just an FYI...American State Governors are elected in accordance with the electoral laws of the States that they govern and all 50 US states elect their Governors based on which candidate has received a PLURALITY of the popular vote. NONE require that the person elected to be the State Governor actually receive a MAJORITY of the votes cast in order to be elected.

https://www.quora.com/Are-USA-governors-elected-by-popular-or-electoral-college-vote
 
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Chairman: House intel panel won’t investigate Flynn, will probe leaks

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) says he won’t open an investigation into President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn, citing executive privilege.

But the committee will investigate who leaked the story that led to Flynn’s resignation and why Trump's national security adviser was being recorded, CNN reported Tuesday.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...panel-wont-investigate-flynn-will-probe-leaks

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Obama moles, most likely
 

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CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Make no mistake: we have just witnessed an operation by members of the CIA to take out a high official of our own government. An agency widely believed to have brought down democratically elected governments overseas is now practicing the same dark arts in domestic American politics. Almost certainly, its new head, Mike Pompeo, was not consulted.

Senator Chuck Schumer, of all people, laid out on January 2 what was going to happen to the Trump administration if it dared take on the deep state – the permanent bureaucracy that has contempt for the will of the voters and feels entitled to run the government for its own benefit

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...law_to_take_out_its_critic_general_flynn.html
 

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Kucinich Pins Flynn Leak on Intel Community

During an interview on the FOX Business Network’s Mornings with Maria, former Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said the intelligence community was responsible for leaking information that Trump’s national security advisor, Mike Flynn, had secretly discussed sanctions with Russian officials before the inauguration and argued their goal was to spoil the relationship between the U.S. and Russia.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...n-intel-community-warns-another-cold-war.html

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Fascinating
 

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"You make NO sense" Matt Lauer DESTROYS Kellyanne Conway

 

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Chairman: House intel panel won’t investigate Flynn, will probe leaks

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) says he won’t open an investigation into President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn, citing executive privilege.

But the committee will investigate who leaked the story that led to Flynn’s resignation and why Trump's national security adviser was being recorded, CNN reported Tuesday.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...panel-wont-investigate-flynn-will-probe-leaks

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Obama moles, most likely

Here let me help you understand Repugnican hypocrisy and corruption...but most of all traitorous. activity.


That was then:
Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes said, “Edward Snowden is no hero — he’s a traitor who willfully betrayed his colleagues and his country…. I look forward to his eventual return to the United States, where he will face justice for his damaging crimes.”

Nunes told us he was going to be looking to persuade his colleagues to reauthorize the provisions of the Patriot Act and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that allow the federal government to collect and store troves of telephone records. He also said he didn't intend to support reforms to the secret court that approves FBI and NSA wiretapping of suspected spies and terrorists.

Devin Nunes, a Republican from California and chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and Lynn Westmoreland, a Republican from Georgia who is chairman of the Subcommittee of the NSA and Cybersecurity, had written in a letter to other representatives that the proposed reforms would handicap investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation into events like the tragedy in Orlando

This is now:

“The big problem I see here,” says Nunes, “is that you have an American citizen who had his phone calls recorded"

Oh now it's a problem recording Americans!
 

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Spy vs Spy


I blame Obama's moles - flush them all out!
 

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With all do respect Serge how were you going to get honesty here. And I'm not saying there would have been honesty elsewhere. But this guy makes misleading, obfuscation and just bold face lies an art form.

Look, I am no fan of Trump. But this guy has miles to go, a shitload of them at that, to catch the previous guy. So save that.

Our government as an entity is dishonest. It is like they have a course for lying and twisting the truth.
 

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Our government as an entity is dishonest. It is like they have a course for lying and twisting the truth.

Sad but true.
 

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Trump won the election. Fair and square period. But the idea of him having any great mandate is laughable.
 

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Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

Line up Trump Chumps-© No cutting in line!
 

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Our intelligence agencies are corrupted. Too many inside loyal to that past dickbag. In fact so many in high places in the government need weeded out. You think Obama moving a few miles down the road was by chance?
 

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I'm just as concerned about who bugged Flynn's phone call and leaked the contents.
 

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I'm just as concerned about who bugged Flynn's phone call and leaked the contents.

I'd be more concerned abou Kim and Putin grabbing Trump's *****.

We're not even 2% into Trump's term and his administration is already in disarray.
 

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I'd be more concerned abou Kim and Putin grabbing Trump's *****.

We're not even 2% into Trump's term and his administration is already in disarray.

Reminds me of 8 years prior.
 

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I'd be more concerned abou Kim and Putin grabbing Trump's *****.

We're not even 2% into Trump's term and his administration is already in disarray.

I hope you are not getting your news from the same people that said Trump would never be President. Sounds like it.
 

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Former Obama Officials, Loyalists Waged Secret Campaign to Oust Flynn
Sources: Former Obama officials, loyalists planted series of stories to discredit Flynn, bolster Iran deal

The abrupt resignation Monday evening of White House national security adviser Michael Flynn is the culmination of a secret, months-long campaign by former Obama administration confidantes to handicap President Donald Trump's national security apparatus and preserve the nuclear deal with Iran, according to multiple sources in and out of the White House who described to the Washington Free Beacon a behind-the-scenes effort by these officials to plant a series of damaging stories about Flynn in the national media.

The effort, said to include former Obama administration adviser Ben Rhodes—the architect of a separate White House effort to create what he described as a pro-Iran echo chamber—included a small task force of Obama loyalists who deluged media outlets with stories aimed at eroding Flynn's credibility, multiple sources revealed.

The operation primarily focused on discrediting Flynn, an opponent of the Iran nuclear deal, in order to handicap the Trump administration's efforts to disclose secret details of the nuclear deal with Iran that had been long hidden by the Obama administration.

Insiders familiar with the anti-Flynn campaign told the Free Beacon that these Obama loyalists plotted in the months before Trump's inauguration to establish a set of roadblocks before Trump's national security team, which includes several prominent opponents of diplomacy with Iran. The Free Beacon first reported on this effort in January.

Sources who spoke to the Free Beacon requested anonymity in order to speak freely about the situation and avoid interfering with the White House's official narrative about Flynn, which centers on his failure to adequately inform the president about a series of phone calls with Russian officials.

Flynn took credit for his missteps regarding these phone calls in a brief statement released late Monday evening. Trump administration officials subsequently stated that Flynn's efforts to mislead the president and vice president about his contacts with Russia could not be tolerated.

However, multiple sources closely involved in the situation pointed to a larger, more secretive campaign aimed at discrediting Flynn and undermining the Trump White House.

"It's undeniable that the campaign to discredit Flynn was well underway before Inauguration Day, with a very troublesome and politicized series of leaks designed to undermine him," said one veteran national security adviser with close ties to the White House team. "This pattern reminds me of the lead up to the Iran deal, and probably features the same cast of characters."

The Free Beacon first reported in January that, until its final days in office, the Obama administration hosted several pro-Iran voices who were critical in helping to mislead the American public about the terms of the nuclear agreement. This included a former Iranian government official and the head of the National Iranian American Council, or NIAC, which has been accused of serving as Iran's mouthpiece in Washington, D.C.

Since then, top members of the Obama administration's national security team have launched a communications infrastructure after they left the White House, and have told reporters they are using that infrastructure to undermine Trump's foreign policy.

"It's actually Ben Rhodes, NIAC, and the Iranian mullahs who are celebrating today," said one veteran foreign policy insider who is close to Flynn and the White House. "They know that the number one target is Iran … [and] they all knew their little sacred agreement with Iran was going to go off the books. So they got rid of Flynn before any of the [secret] agreements even surfaced."

Flynn had been preparing to publicize many of the details about the nuclear deal that had been intentionally hidden by the Obama administration as part of its effort to garner support for the deal, these sources said.

Flynn is now "gone before anybody can see what happened" with these secret agreements, said the second insider close to Flynn and the White House.

Sources in and out of the White House are concerned that the campaign against Flynn will be extended to other prominent figures in the Trump administration.

One senior White House official told the Free Beacon that leaks targeting the former official were "not the result of a series of random events."

"The drumbeat of leaks of sensitive material related to General Flynn has been building since he was named to his position," said the official, who is a member of the White House's National Security Council. "Last night was not the result of a series of random events. The president has lost a valuable adviser and we need to make sure this sort of thing does not happen again."

Other sources expressed concern that public trust in the intelligence community would be eroded by the actions of employees with anti-Trump agendas.

"The larger issue that should trouble the American people is the far-reaching power of unknown, unelected apparatchiks in the Intelligence Community deciding for themselves both who serves in government and what is an acceptable policy they will allow the elected representatives of the people to pursue," said the national security adviser quoted above.

"Put aside the issue of Flynn himself; that nameless, faceless bureaucrats were able to take out a president's national security adviser based on a campaign of innuendo without evidence should worry every American," the source explained.

Eli Lake, a Bloomberg View columnist and veteran national security reporter well sourced in the White House, told the Free Beacon that Flynn earned a reputation in the Obama administration as one of its top detractors.

"Michael Flynn was one of the Obama administration's fiercest critics after he was forced out of the Defense Intelligence Agency," said Lake, who described "the political assassination of Michael Flynn" in his column published early Tuesday.

"[Flynn] was a withering critic of Obama's biggest foreign policy initiative, the Iran deal," Lake said. "He also publicly accused the administration of keeping classified documents found in the Osama bin Laden raid that showed Iran's close relationship with al Qaeda. He was a thorn in their side."

Lake noted in his column that he does not buy fully the White House's official spin on Flynn's resignation.

"For a White House that has such a casual and opportunistic relationship with the truth, it's strange that Flynn's ‘lie' to Pence would get him fired," Lake wrote. "It doesn't add up."

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer stated in his daily briefing that "the evolving and eroding level of trust as a result of this situation and a series of other questionable incidents is what led the president to ask General Flynn for his resignation."

A third source who serves as a congressional adviser and was involved in the 2015 fight over the Iran deal told the Free Beacon that the Obama administration feared that Flynn would expose the secret agreements with Iran.

"The Obama administration knew that Flynn was going to release the secret documents around the Iran deal, which would blow up their myth that it was a good deal that rolled back Iran," the source said. "So in December the Obama NSC started going to work with their favorite reporters, selectively leaking damaging and incomplete information about Flynn."

"After Trump was inaugurated some of those people stayed in and some began working from the outside, and they cooperated to keep undermining Trump," the source said, detailing a series of leaks from within the White House in the past weeks targeting Flynn. "Last night's resignation was their first major win, but unless the Trump people get serious about cleaning house, it won't be the last."

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http://freebeacon.com/national-security/former-obama-officials-loyalists-waged-campaign-oust-flynn/
 

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America's spies anonymously took down Michael Flynn. That is deeply worrying.

The United States is much better off without Michael Flynn serving as national security adviser. But no one should be cheering the way he was brought down.

The whole episode is evidence of the precipitous and ongoing collapse of America's democratic institutions — not a sign of their resiliency. Flynn's ouster was a soft coup (or political assassination) engineered by anonymous intelligence community bureaucrats. The results might be salutary, but this isn't the way a liberal democracy is supposed to function.

Unelected intelligence analysts work for the president, not the other way around. Far too many Trump critics appear not to care that these intelligence agents leaked highly sensitive information to the press — mostly because Trump critics are pleased with the result. "Finally," they say, "someone took a stand to expose collusion between the Russians and a senior aide to the president!" It is indeed important that someone took such a stand. But it matters greatly who that someone is and how they take their stand. Members of the unelected, unaccountable intelligence community are not the right someone, especially when they target a senior aide to the president by leaking anonymously to newspapers the content of classified phone intercepts, where the unverified, unsubstantiated information can inflict politically fatal damage almost instantaneously.

This doesn't mean the outcome was wrong. I have no interest in defending Flynn, who appears to be an atrocious manager prone to favoring absurd conspiracy theories over more traditional forms of intelligence. He is just about the last person who should be giving the president advice about foreign policy. And for all I know, Flynn did exactly what the anonymous intelligence community leakers allege — promised the Russian ambassador during the transition that the incoming Trump administration would back off on sanctions proposed by the outgoing Obama administration.

But no matter what Flynn did, it is simply not the role of the deep state to target a man working in one of the political branches of the government by dishing to reporters about information it has gathered clandestinely. It is the role of elected members of Congress to conduct public investigations of alleged wrongdoing by public officials.

What if Congress won't act? What if both the Senate and the House of Representatives are held by the same party as the president and members of both chambers are reluctant to cross a newly elected head of the executive branch who enjoys overwhelming approval of his party's voters? In such a situation — our situation — shouldn't we hope the deep state will rise up to act responsibly to take down a member of the administration who may have broken the law?

The answer is an unequivocal no.

In a liberal democracy, how things happen is often as important as what happens. Procedures matter. So do rules and public accountability. The chaotic, dysfunctional Trump White House is placing the entire system under enormous strain. That's bad. But the answer isn't to counter it with equally irregular acts of sabotage — or with a disinformation campaign waged by nameless civil servants toiling away in the surveillance state.

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http://theweek.com/articles/680068/...-took-down-michael-flynn-that-deeply-worrying
 
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