Lake opens up:Boykin had a degenerative hip, William Jackson would have been th pick

[Hines57]

Well no **** on WJ3.

Tough deal with Boykin. Gotta move on though

 

[ZACKB]

They also lost their other starting corner to Oakland. I believe once we took Burns they traded down into rd 2. I also specifically read something legit, that AZ was also looking to draft him. Both team had a need at corner and Burns was considered the last 1st rounder in the draft.

Link for Kansas City? They just drafted Marcus Peters....

I love how we just PROVED front offices lie about interest in players all the time yet you are now taking the word of leaked information BEFORE the draft as gospel?

You don't know one iota whether or not Burns is available at pick 32. You just flat 100% do not know. You make this **** up like it's fact and you are just flat wrong on this.

 

[slashsteel]

I don't know certainly, but I do know looking at Burns and his lack of athleticism, rawness, and the fact most draft experts had him as a second or third round prospect that either we panicked and jumped on the next CB on our board or have a bunch of nincompoops scouting. I am going with we panicked. Even a pause and letting the clock tick down to maybe see if the Broncos would sweeten the deal a little. It was a very fair trade offer by the numbers but lets say they felt the trade was only fair and that they weren't getting a "deal" just a fair trade. Well, see if they'd throw in a 5th which we were missing. But now we had pre-decided before the draft even started we would take a CB no matter what. That drives me up the wall!!! I would prefer taking a position of not as much need as long as it meant getting good value for your spot. And if you have your guy taken in front of you look at who drafts after you. No one minus the Panthers were really in need of a CB. Most likely, they could have traded back and still got Burns at the end of the first round. Now I cannot be certain of that either but odds are they still would have been able to get Burns.

missed the memo on his lack of athleticism he had a track background I would think he is a decent athlete

 

[ZACKB]

Pretty sure KC takes him in rd 1 if we didn't.

Originally Posted by ZACKB View Post
AZ and KC were interested in Burns...he never would have made it to 32



Correct. No one can say for certain if Burns would have been there at pick #32.

12 other players were selected until the next corner came off the board and most independent draft people had Burns rated from Pick #40-60.

My guess is Burns slips out of round one if we did not take him.

 

[ark steel]

They also lost their other starting corner to Oakland. I believe once we took Burns they traded down into rd 2. I also specifically read something legit, that AZ was also looking to draft him. Both team had a need at corner and Burns was considered the last 1st rounder in the draft.

I agree, and everyone has heard this. the deal is, though, if you think the FO is full of ****-flinging monkey's, you ignore this for your own opinion.

 

[ark steel]

My guess is Burns slips out of round one if we did not take him.

and that is all it is.

 

[FordFairLane]

missed the memo on his lack of athleticism he had a track background I would think he is a decent athlete

4.46 forty for a track guy is not that fast and his 31" vert is down right pathetic. 7 reps at 225lbs means he hasn't worked on his upper body much like most track guys. Just look at Bud Dupree's numbers and that's an athlete. That I am ok with drafting in the first hoping he can develop. Burns is slow, with no hops, and weak.

 

[slashsteel]

4.46 forty for a track guy is not that fast and his 31" vert is down right pathetic. 7 reps at 225lbs means he hasn't worked on his upper body much like most track guys. Just look at Bud Dupree's numbers and that's an athlete. That I am ok with drafting in the first hoping he can develop. Burns is slow, with no hops, and weak.

so he went from not very fast to slow

I have no problem with CB in the 4.4 range... to me that doesn't scream slow.

 

[FordFairLane]

so he went from not very fast to slow

I have no problem with CB in the 4.4 range... to me that doesn't scream slow.

Track guy! TRACK. Most these kids never have been taught proper technique to run track and then work on it for a month and then go to the combine and pro day and never do it again. Burns on the other hand knows how to get off the line and ran a 4.46! Do you think that track guys are just so much faster and that is why they run so fast at the combine? NO, they aren't. They are trained track guys who have been coached up by some of the best track coaches in the country for 3-4 years in College. 4.46 is not fast for a track guy!

 

[antdrewjosh]

4.46 is fast for a CB whether you ran track or not. He wasn't a sprinter he was a hurdler. 4.4 speed has been pretty damn good for years now not sure why all of a sudden it's slow

 

[POP]

Track guy! TRACK. Most these kids never have been taught proper technique to run track and then work on it for a month and then go to the combine and pro day and never do it again. Burns on the other hand knows how to get off the line and ran a 4.46! Do you think that track guys are just so much faster and that is why they run so fast at the combine? NO, they aren't. They are trained track guys who have been coached up by some of the best track coaches in the country for 3-4 years in College. 4.46 is not fast for a track guy!

But most of the guys at the fast positions are coached up and trained how to run fast 40's before the combine as well.

I agree Burns isn't a burner. He isn't slow either; he has enough speed to play CB if he can get all the technique down.

 

[wig]

For a CB, speed is not as important as agility and the ability to track the ball in the air. And if you're a CB for the Steelers, the ability to hit like a mack truck. Let's not forget that.

 

[POP]

For a CB, speed is not as important as agility and the ability to track the ball in the air. And if you're a CB for the Steelers, the ability to hit like a mack truck. Let's not forget that.

We had few "monster hitters" at CB, but I would say, "No fear in tackling and can get people to the ground" would be accurate. They don't have to knock fillings out of teeth, just get them to the ground and don't miss tackles, (which Blake failed at).

 

[ark steel]

For a CB, speed is not as important as agility and the ability to track the ball in the air. And if you're a CB for the Steelers, the ability to hit like a mack truck. Let's not forget that.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/trackfield...rtie-burns-breaks-38-year-old-american-junior

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

The steelers would have had to trade up to at least pick 20 to get Jackson. It all started when the browns drafted Corey Coleman at 15. That was a stupid pick for a team with so many holes and no QB to draft a WR in RD 1.

There were 4 teams in a row that desperately needed a WR, Redskins, Houston, Minn, Cincy with picks 21-24. There were 4 first round talent WRs. As soon as the Browns took Coleman, somebody was going to be left out.

Houston traded up 1 spot with Wash to guarantee they got their guy Fuller. Wash then took their guy Doctson and Minn got their perfect fit Treadwell.

Cincy didn't know what to do so they went CB which seems to be their default pick when they don't know what to do plus they were blocking the Steelers.

Unless the Steelers had Jackson rated far above Burns, then trading up would have been expensive. They would have had to jump up to 20 with the jets because none of the teams with WR needs (wash, hou, minn) would trade behind Cincy who also needed a WR. It cost Denver their 3rd round pick to move up 5 spots to get Lynch.


The steelers only choices were take Burns or trade back. If they had guys like Kendall Fuller or Xavien Howard rated close to Burns, then they should have traded back, but if they had a big drop after Burns then staying put and taking him was the right move. They had pushed off taking DBs with high picks for too long.

 

[MTC]

But most of the guys at the fast positions are coached up and trained how to run fast 40's before the combine as well.

I agree Burns isn't a burner. He isn't slow either; he has enough speed to play CB if he can get all the technique down.

Burns will be fine^^^ I agree with this

 

[USDA#1]

i don't really care about all the draft position stuff...

but that's a lot of info to casually let drop from the DB's coach.

I doubt Lake was talking out of turn.

 

[POP]

The steelers would have had to trade up to at least pick 20 to get Jackson. It all started when the browns drafted Corey Coleman at 15. That was a stupid pick for a team with so many holes and no QB to draft a WR in RD 1.

There were 4 teams in a row that desperately needed a WR, Redskins, Houston, Minn, Cincy with picks 21-24. There were 4 first round talent WRs. As soon as the Browns took Coleman, somebody was going to be left out.

Houston traded up 1 spot with Wash to guarantee they got their guy Fuller. Wash then took their guy Doctson and Minn got their perfect fit Treadwell.

Cincy didn't know what to do so they went CB which seems to be their default pick when they don't know what to do plus they were blocking the Steelers.

Unless the Steelers had Jackson rated far above Burns, then trading up would have been expensive. They would have had to jump up to 20 with the jets because none of the teams with WR needs (wash, hou, minn) would trade behind Cincy who also needed a WR. It cost Denver their 3rd round pick to move up 5 spots to get Lynch.


The steelers only choices were take Burns or trade back. If they had guys like Kendall Fuller or Xavien Howard rated close to Burns, then they should have traded back, but if they had a big drop after Burns then staying put and taking him was the right move. They had pushed off taking DBs with high picks for too long.

Do you think the Steelers "rushed to the podium" with their pick to try to sell that Cinci taking WJ3 didn't bug them? In other words, "Look at us. We are so not bothered that you snatched WJ3 right before us that we took no time to take Burns afterwards!"

I bet that was why they did that.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Do you think the Steelers "rushed to the podium" with their pick to try to sell that Cinci taking WJ3 didn't bug them? In other words, "Look at us. We are so not bothered that you snatched WJ3 right before us that we took no time to take Burns afterwards!"

I bet that was why they did that.

When is the last time they didn't "rush to the podium?" They've probably done this with their last 10 first-round picks.

 

[POP]

When is the last time they didn't "rush to the podium?" They've probably done this with their last 10 first-round picks.

Well, then they are stupid. Why wouldn't one at least listen to offers? Why "rush to the podium" instead of seeing what the offers are? They could have still drafted Jarvis Jones after listening to what
teams were offering. Thank God they didn't waste time with that pick.

 

[bermudasteel]

Courtney Brown was a bust taken before John Abraham who's in the 100 sack club.

Don't care about draft position. Don't care about who we "missed".

I care whether or not Artie Burns can help us win Super Bowls.

I almost stopped reading after this...but...

What's to consider? We would of taken Jackson. Ok. But if he was gone we obviously were prepared to take Burns. Does it matter if Jackson was taken 10 spots 5 spots 1 spot before we picked. What difference does it make. In the pre draft process we had Jackson above Burns but also had burns part of the group of players we would take at at our pick. What's the problem???

That darn logic is so blatant I had to read on...

 

[stillwright]

Well, then they are stupid. Why wouldn't one at least listen to offers? Why "rush to the podium" instead of seeing what the offers are? They could have still drafted Jarvis Jones after listening to what
teams were offering. Thank God they didn't waste time with that pick.

Come on dude.....Let it rest.....PLEASE!!!!!!!!

 

[Wingman]

I don't know certainly, but I do know looking at Burns and his lack of athleticism, rawness, and the fact most draft experts had him as a second or third round prospect that either we panicked and jumped on the next CB on our board or have a bunch of nincompoops scouting. I am going with we panicked. Even a pause and letting the clock tick down to maybe see if the Broncos would sweeten the deal a little. It was a very fair trade offer by the numbers but lets say they felt the trade was only fair and that they weren't getting a "deal" just a fair trade. Well, see if they'd throw in a 5th which we were missing. But now we had pre-decided before the draft even started we would take a CB no matter what. That drives me up the wall!!! I would prefer taking a position of not as much need as long as it meant getting good value for your spot. And if you have your guy taken in front of you look at who drafts after you. No one minus the Panthers were really in need of a CB. Most likely, they could have traded back and still got Burns at the end of the first round. Now I cannot be certain of that either but odds are they still would have been able to get Burns.

I just want to throw this into the mix. We have all seen how the draft rankings have panned out over the years with the draftnicks in the media being wrong quite a bit. I suspect if no one had taken a cornerback the steelers would have picked some one else other than the two being discussed. Jarvis fell down the draft boards of the draftnicks for a reason, based on that he should have been a great value but it does not look like it so far. One thing to look at is what was available and are there projections as to what players can help your team. It involves the needs as well as what is available on the draft board. For example if we spent a first round pick on a defensive end who was higher on our board but likely would have been a back up behind Tuitt and Heyward did we help the team get better? Not as likely as finding secondary players that have the potential to be starters soon.

Not trying to pick on you Ford just looking at it from a combined perspective of best available at a position of need or value to the team.

 

[Wingman]

Well, then they are stupid. Why wouldn't one at least listen to offers? Why "rush to the podium" instead of seeing what the offers are? They could have still drafted Jarvis Jones after listening to what
teams were offering. Thank God they didn't waste time with that pick.

I suspect that offers are made a long time before a team is on the clock and a bunch of highly paid professionals are not doing knee jerk reactions to what ever the flavor of the month is. The steelers might have already determined via calls what it would take to move up or down well before the draft begins. Anything that looks close to do able would get a call from them and likely several picks before their turn they have it all finalized so they know there is no point in waiting around. To think the offers have been not considered by the various parties well before the draft turn becomes available seems to indicate very poor planning on the part of the team.

 

[steelermania]

I'm glad we took a corner early. If I'm not mistaken, I don't think we've taken a corner in round one since the 90s, when we drafted the very disappointing Deon Figures, and the slightly better Chad Scott, neither of whom could carry Ike Taylor's proverbial jock strap. Hopefully, Burns will be better than those two.