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Judgement Day "Shady Brady" vs. Roger - OFFICIAL THREAD

Sounds to me that a judge is trying to "legislate from the bench". As I understand it the matter for review is not science, the wells report, or if cheating did happen. I believe the issue is does Rodger have the authority to render the punishment and on what grounds he can do so. If the judge rules in marsha's** favor it would make me think someone bought a judge, something that has been known to happen in the past.

Organized crime found it was much cheaper to payoff judges than cops because there were lots less of them, and if the verdict were controlled the rest did not matter.
 
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I think the propaganda machine is working in the cheater's favor. So well so, the judge is buying into it. THE QUESTION at hand, should be if the "rog" had the athourity to suspend or not. The punishment, isn't up to the judge but this judge is bravodoing it up. His 15mins of fame will burn out soon enough. ONCE t*mmy b*y refused to cooperate, I felt that gave the "rog" all athourity to punish. We will see how it plays out, but one thing for sure............ Mr. Brady will NOT be enjoying any fovortism amongst the NFL any time soon. That includes the officiating crew as well.....



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Just because a collectively bargained agreement gives power to an individual (Goodell) doesn't mean that individual can just do whatever he wants. If he's making decisions that aren't fair or unbiased or consistent, then the only remedy is in the courts.

That's what Brady is sueing over. Not necessarily Goodell's right to punish under the CBA, but whether his punishment is fair, unbiased and consistent with past decisions.

And while I understand the bias people here have toward Brady and the Patriots, how can you possibly think this is fair, unbiased and consistent with previous rulings?

The Vikings were fined $25,000.00 for tampering with game balls (and effecting pressure) by warming/drying them on bad weather days. No player has EVER been fined or punished for this so-called "not cooperating with an investigation" clause that was never negotiated or discussed during CBA talks. In fact, it's pretty clear the union directed Brady not to comply with the phone issue because of the precedent it would set for future cases and Brady was emphatically told by Wells not turning his phone over would not merit punishment.

Then you get into the whole is the Wells report "unbiased" and it's hard not to see some evidence (both in this investigation, the Bountygate investigation and in the Miami bullying investigation) that these "investigations" by "independent" authorities are not independent at all and are spinning the evidence to clearly favor the NFL.

Those are the facts that this judge is being asked to judicate on.
 
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deljzc said:
That's what Brady is sueing over. Not necessarily Goodell's right to punish under the CBA, but whether his punishment is fair, unbiased and consistent with past decisions.

And while I understand the bias people here have toward Brady and the Patriots, how can you possibly think this is fair, unbiased and consistent with previous rulings?
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Well Br*dy wins right there then because what has Rog ever done that was consistent?
 
deljzc said:
Just because a collectively bargained agreement gives power to an individual (Goodell) doesn't mean that individual can just do whatever he wants. If he's making decisions that aren't fair or unbiased or consistent, then the only remedy is in the courts.

That's what Brady is sueing over. Not necessarily Goodell's right to punish under the CBA, but whether his punishment is fair, unbiased and consistent with past decisions.

And while I understand the bias people here have toward Brady and the Patriots, how can you possibly think this is fair, unbiased and consistent with previous rulings?

The Vikings were fined $25,000.00 for tampering with game balls (and effecting pressure) by warming/drying them on bad weather days. No player has EVER been fined or punished for this so-called "not cooperating with an investigation" clause that was never negotiated or discussed during CBA talks. In fact, it's pretty clear the union directed Brady not to comply with the phone issue because of the precedent it would set for future cases and Brady was emphatically told by Wells not turning his phone over would not merit punishment.

Then you get into the whole is the Wells report "unbiased" and it's hard not to see some evidence (both in this investigation, the Bountygate investigation and in the Miami bullying investigation) that these "investigations" by "independent" authorities are not independent at all and are spinning the evidence to clearly favor the NFL.

Those are the facts that this judge is being asked to judicate on.
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4 games no evidence in the Ben case sounds consistent to me. Season for no knowledge of bounty gate and no evidence that the individual suspended knew anything about it sounds like the time is if anything lenient. There is a requirement to cooperate with the investigation. Heating and drying balls on the sideline in view of the zebras and everyone else is a bit different than taking them into a bathroom and altering them after they have been approved. It seems to me heating the balls would have very little effect compared to the application of the needle, and the comparison with steroids is valid many times both involve needles in bathrooms.
 
The thing that gets me is that people/the media are focusing on only the shots that the judge is taking at the NFL when iirc he's taken a few at Brady and the union also. Is the contract binding? Was the power outlined in the contract used in accordance to the terms of the contract? Did Brady fully cooperate with the investigation as he is required to do under the terms of the contract?

I think that neither side will be happy with the outcome. The part of Brady's suspension based upon cheating gets overturned and sent back to Roger for punishment more in line with the terms of the CBA and prior history. However, Brady will still serve a 2 game suspension based upon his failure to cooperate. Roger will then fine Brady for cheating. I also think the judge makes mention of the fact that the NFL and the union need to be more clear and definite about the types of punishment applicable to different transgressions (suspension/fines, etc.). This making it up as we go along **** has to stop; and the union is just as guilty as the NFL because they pushed for a CBA that was not clear and definite about punishment.
 
deljzc said:
Just because a collectively bargained agreement gives power to an individual (Goodell) doesn't mean that individual can just do whatever he wants. If he's making decisions that aren't fair or unbiased or consistent, then the only remedy is in the courts.

That's what Brady is sueing over. Not necessarily Goodell's right to punish under the CBA, but whether his punishment is fair, unbiased and consistent with past decisions.

And while I understand the bias people here have toward Brady and the Patriots, how can you possibly think this is fair, unbiased and consistent with previous rulings?

The Vikings were fined $25,000.00 for tampering with game balls (and effecting pressure) by warming/drying them on bad weather days. No player has EVER been fined or punished for this so-called "not cooperating with an investigation" clause that was never negotiated or discussed during CBA talks. In fact, it's pretty clear the union directed Brady not to comply with the phone issue because of the precedent it would set for future cases and Brady was emphatically told by Wells not turning his phone over would not merit punishment.

Then you get into the whole is the Wells report "unbiased" and it's hard not to see some evidence (both in this investigation, the Bountygate investigation and in the Miami bullying investigation) that these "investigations" by "independent" authorities are not independent at all and are spinning the evidence to clearly favor the NFL.

Those are the facts that this judge is being asked to judicate on.
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The judge is solely going to decide if The NFL had the right to rule here and not if the suspension is fair... he is not the arbitrator. He is grandstanding for the appeal that either side will file, but ultimately he isn't going to look at facts, just whether the NFL followed the CBA.... I expect him to rule with the NFL but to have strongly worded opinions of their process...Just jump to a few legal sites and see how federal judges typically act when these cases are put before them, because this seems textbook.

Now I also expect Brady to appeal and to get an injunction and play, and I hate goodell, but there is total precedent for this... Ben Roethlisberger... he had nothing but allegations against him... he got a 6 game suspension literally for giving the NFL a black eye... do you remember about a decade ago when Hooters was sued over their hiring and firing policies based on how waitresses looked and everyone thought they were getting nailed? There is ample precedent that says employers can punish employees for image purposes. They absolutely can unfairly protect their brand...
 
You know what would be a , somewhat, nifty outcome. Brady gets to play game 1. Refs get a quiet word to staple the flags into their pockets.
 
Well I have a question ... What happens if the Judge rules with Marcia .. what does that do to the CB agreement ??? The players signed it .. I am be wrong but does that make the player in Breech of contract ... can they be locked out .. This to me seems like it will not be good for the NFL --
 
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Well I have a question ... What happens if the Judge rules with Marcia .. what does that do to the CB agreement ??? The players signed it .. I am be wrong but does that make the player in Breech of contract ... can they be locked out .. This to me seems like it will not be good for the NFL --
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If the judge rules with Brady, the NFL will appeal. the apparent precedent for this will likely have the appeals circuit throw it back to the judge to make a new ruling if they think he acted as the arbiter or screwed with a collectively bargained act. It will be the same thing as what is going to happen in the AP case, but it may take years to be resolved totally.

again, this was never really about a gross injustice, its just playing the system till you retire... those chumps up in Minnesota did the same thing... got a local ruling that was favorable in the starcaps case, then tied up the appeal for years...

Lets review that case... the players were suspended in 2008. the federal Judge in Minnesota ruled in their favor. He was totally out of bounds in doing so. the NFL appealed. The appeals court ruled in the NFL's favor, one accepted a 2 game suspension, one tried to appeal further... that was 2011... so they stretched it out 3 years...
 
I just don't to play him wk 1 with so many questions about our D, yes ben could easily put 28 on their weak secondary, but is shazier enough to stop gronk, if golsen was not hurt, i would not mind him on edelmen, but i think that task will go to boykin, and Cortez on Lafell.
as long as he serves 2 games I don't care, there better not be some bullshit he plays wk 1 and 2 and sits 3,4.
clear cut wk 1-2 out.
ROGER HAS ****** HIMSELF HOPEFULLY AFTER THE YEAR IT IS MAJORITY VOTE BY OWNERS TO REPLACE HIM.
 
F83 said:
I just don't to play him wk 1 with so many questions about our D, yes ben could easily put 28 on their weak secondary, but is shazier enough to stop gronk, if golsen was not hurt, i would not mind him on edelmen, but i think that task will go to boykin, and Cortez on Lafell.
as long as he serves 2 games I don't care, there better not be some bullshit he plays wk 1 and 2 and sits 3,4.
clear cut wk 1-2 out.
ROGER HAS ****** HIMSELF HOPEFULLY AFTER THE YEAR IT IS MAJORITY VOTE BY OWNERS TO REPLACE HIM.
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I don't really think whether he plays or not in week one should be the focus here. You have a team that habitually cheats against a commish that has been horrible to the sport. It would actually be better for the Steelers if Goodell lost and was fired, since he obviously holds a grudge against them than worrying about one solo game... the actual ideal situation, however unlikely, is that Brady wins, the onwers turn on Goodell, the league appeals, and the court timing works out that they win on appeal just as the playoffs start... I would love it if this actually burned everyone involved
 
madinsomniac said:
If the judge rules with Brady, the NFL will appeal. the apparent precedent for this will likely have the appeals circuit throw it back to the judge to make a new ruling if they think he acted as the arbiter or screwed with a collectively bargained act. It will be the same thing as what is going to happen in the AP case, but it may take years to be resolved totally.

again, this was never really about a gross injustice, its just playing the system till you retire... those chumps up in Minnesota did the same thing... got a local ruling that was favorable in the starcaps case, then tied up the appeal for years...

Lets review that case... the players were suspended in 2008. the federal Judge in Minnesota ruled in their favor. He was totally out of bounds in doing so. the NFL appealed. The appeals court ruled in the NFL's favor, one accepted a 2 game suspension, one tried to appeal further... that was 2011... so they stretched it out 3 years...
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Exactly. I think the Pats** objective is to delay it so Belicheat and Br*dy can win one more SB together, if that happens they both retire after the season and say "**** you and your suspension Roger and hand us that trophy." Be like Belicheat to do that too.. Remember how he ran the score up on everybody the season after Spygate?
 
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Not a Godel fan or the NFL league office but do we want to see Brady push his smile power and win here. Push aside the Pats and the past, Brady is using a self entitlement charge against the NFL yet the owner and players association gave Godel the power, to run the league. Say Brady wins this, do all the players and coaches and GM's fined and suspended under Godel go after the NFL just as they have jumped om the concussion play? How does the league office show any credibility in giving fines or dealing punishment when they lost a suspension more no not being up front and cooperating than the ball issue itself. Brady could have got less by owning up to withholding some kind of information and move on but he decide with all his money and poster child mystic to go after the NFL. So with a judge looking at more the ball issue than the not cooperating who loses the power here?
 
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...s-nfl-nflpa/MqjM2mWO1pj2ovCbg3xf1I/story.html

Transcript of the wed stuff... Judge did hammer the NFL on the Pash stuff, but if he vacates on procedural grounds he is basically going to have to return the whole thing back to the Arbitrator aka Roger... Brady's team has to prove bias here, its the only way they can get out of this either going back to Roger or getting appealed.

Brady's lawyer has admitted non compliance with the phone stuff... right now I think a 1 game settlement save face all around but both sides are dug in too hard IMO... going to be fun down the line
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Exactly. I think the Pats** objective is to delay it so Belicheat and Br*dy can win one more SB together, if that happens they both retire after the season and say "**** you and your suspension Roger and hand us that trophy." Be like Belicheat to do that too.. Remember how he ran the score up on everybody the season after Spygate?
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I don't think they have the team for it. They might have the offense for it, but they lost some big key pieces on defense. Things really came together for them in the playoffs last year. Everyone is focused on the Deflate gate game, but it was the Rats game that looked real strange to me. They looked completely done, especially Brady. Then they came out looking like world beaters. I think there were other shenanigans in that game then the reporting eligible bullshit. I think the Rats complained hard and the microscope went on them the next week.
 
SteelerSask said:
I don't think they have the team for it. They might have the offense for it, but they lost some big key pieces on defense. Things really came together for them in the playoffs last year. Everyone is focused on the Deflate gate game, but it was the Rats game that looked real strange to me. They looked completely done, especially Brady. Then they came out looking like world beaters. I think there were other shenanigans in that game then the reporting eligible bullshit. I think the Rats complained hard and the microscope went on them the next week.
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Lots of good points, but the thing is, CHEATING can close a LOT of weaknesses.




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One thing no matter what a judge says or the league deals or the players union wants, The Pats under Belllicheat will always be looked on as cheaters and Brady will always be looked on as one hiding SOMETHING.
 
madinsomniac said:
Transcript of the wed stuff... Judge did hammer the NFL on the Pash stuff, but if he vacates on procedural grounds he is basically going to have to return the whole thing back to the Arbitrator aka Roger... Brady's team has to prove bias here, its the only way they can get out of this either going back to Roger or getting appealed.
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That should be fun if it goes that way. Rog's only defense will be "There is no bias here, I am consistently inconsistent."
 
How bout' this. The judge realizes that the pats are cheaters and have been cheating consistently and constantly for years. He understands the players are trying to game the system. He also realizes that rodger has been covering for the pricks and that collusion has occurred in the past. He then makes a determination that marsha** krapt** belicheat** and rodger have been conspiring together to rig games so as to enhance their own profits and line each others pockets. Because of that he determines that this is an example of organized crime and suspends the entire bunch of them for life and remands them to jail with out bond as they are all flight risks. Further he decides that since federal statutes are involved he thinks they should all be housed in that wonderful jail in AZ that is in tents with out air-conditioning.

They can conduct their meetings and appeals from there.

That would be the perfect scenario for me with one more addition, while there and after James Harrison retires he decides to accept a position as a prison guard in the facility and is assigned to watch the prisoners in question and Ben buys him some special police dogs just for these guys.
 
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