Is Cam the new prototype QB?

[insaniti]

Gimmick QB? The guy has been in the league for 4 years now! What? GM's dont have tape on the guy by now?

Weapons? His #1 receiver (Tedd Ginn) is most notable for having hands of stone! People kept saying Brady/Rodgers lacked weapons this year- but compare their skill players to Cams.

They have a great running game? They have a great running game BECAUSE of Cam. J.Stewart only had 989 yards this season- Cam had close to 650 himself. In fact, Cam averaged 4.8 yards a clip!

Instead of using the lazy logic ("Oh he's just another XYZ"), some of you have to watch him play. Its quite impressive.

And the people arguing that he has NO weapons around him, need to stop using the lazy logic that Ted Ginn was his "#1 receiver". Who do you guys consider the "#1 receiver" for the patriots is? Is it Edelman? I know it's not Amendola... But most people who are smart enough to understand football realize that it's Gronkowski. Much like the Panthers true #1 receiver is Greg Olsen.

Also, whether or not Cam is the reason for their solid run game or not, doesn't diminish the fact that they DO have a great running game, finished second in the league in rushing yards per game. They have a great defense that creates A LOT of turnovers, they are put together well.

Yes, Cam has made strides. No, he is not the "new prototype" QB. How do you beat the Panthers? Shut down the run, force Cam to sit in the pocket and beat you with his arm. Can he do that? He has been able to do it in spurts but not consistently. He's had three games over 300 yards this season, 7 games over 200 yards, which means he had 6 games of UNDER 200 yards passing. That tells me (and not just from stats, I've watched several Panther games this year), that teams are having problems shutting down the running game and forcing Cam to beat them with his arm.

Cams had four games this year that were atrocious, three of them came against top ten defenses in both yards and scoring, and one was the Eagles game (his absolute worst of the season).

Against Seattle, he didn't have to throw much, the defense created turnovers and points, and they got the run game going early. Once they had the lead, the defense sent to work. But lets not forget that Carolina did absolutely NOTHING in the second half of that game offensively. He played well in the Cardinals game, but so did the defense and special teams. This is not a knock on Cam that he is "stuck" with a great defense and solid run game, but they are contributing factors to his success this year.

His accuracy is directly related to his throwing motion. He uses his whole body, throws from a side arm position, and can be erratic at times. He has a cannon for an arm tho, can really launch it and put some zip. But he needs to tighten up his motion, throw from the top. He did lead the league in passes batted at the LOS after all. Has Cam improved? Yes he has. Does Cam have no weapons around him? No, he actually has decent weapons, nothing like we have, but he also isn't struggling like the Rams or Titans. Is he the new prototype? No, prototype would insinuate that there are other players out there very similar to him, and there just isn't. Russell Wilson would be a close comparison, but his size eliminates him from being able to withstand the hits that Newton absorbs on running plays, Russell is also a much more accurate passer than Newton is right now. In fact, Russel Wilson stats closely duplicate (and even bests him in passing yards, completion percentage, rating, and yards per attempt) everything Cam was able to do this year. The one spot Cam stands out more so than Russel is rushing TD's, and that comes from being 6'5" and being able to go over the top as he so often does.

I'm not going to say that Cam is a flash in the pan, but we've had these conversations before one a QB that is able to run and pass makes a big run through the season or into the playoffs. There were certain talking heads that were saying Kaepernick would be the best QB in the league within 3 years not that long ago. The one thing that Cam did well this year compared to previous years is cut down on the turnovers, which translated into more TD's. Aside from that, his numbers aren't that much different than his first four years.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Newton came out today and again showed his stupidity saying being a black QB with his skill set scares people, what a ducking moron. I guess stealing the laptop at Florida, putting his name on another person's exam and then buying an exam online didn't make you smart you piece of ****. Your dad trying to get $250 000 to play at Miss State also is an example of your stupidity, this guy talks like a ******* moron fora reason, he DUMB

I don't see you mentioning Peyton trying to tea bag a female athletic trainer while he was at Tennessee in your diatribe about what makes a kid a moron. Also, how is Cam responsible for the unethical actions of his father when he was a teen? Makes no sense. As far as him saying that him being a black QB with his skill set scares people ... he could have left out the "black" part and it would still be true. Folks should be wary (or scared) of any QB with Newton's skill set.

The rest ... Stealing a laptop and the exam stuff ... I guess kids can't grow as they mature. But, how is it then that the Cam that we see TODAY does not resemble that person?

 

[Sarge]

Newton came out today and again showed his stupidity saying being a black QB with his skill set scares people, what a ducking moron. I guess stealing the laptop at Florida, putting his name on another person's exam and then buying an exam online didn't make you smart you piece of ****. Your dad trying to get $250 000 to play at Miss State also is an example of your stupidity, this guy talks like a ******* moron fora reason, he DUMB

I read this article. It is ridiculous on it's face. Anyone who isn't sold on Cam Newton is a racist. Really? If the guy is as good as billed, why does the media have to sell him so hard? Is it that important that everyone on Earth love Cam Newton? Good lord. Everyone outside of Boston and ESPN hates Tom Brady. Are they racists too? Newsflash: some people aren't going to like you. Some people are going to doubt you, no matter what you do. You can prove the doubters wrong without calling them racists. He is good enough to do that. **** gets old.

 

[Clete]

He is a piece of **** as a person, is dumb as a brick and he knew his dad was selling his ads to.Miss State. Sorry stealing a teammates laptop and buying exams and cheating on exams is not something you outgrow it shows your lack of character, kinda like when the piece of **** wears the Gatorade towel.on his head during the national anthem. Funny the Panthers think so little of him and his character they forbid him.to.get tattooed to try and keep the thug from coming out so they can market his dumb ads. He is an Uncle Tom more than anything else, allowing him to.be sold to Aurburn and now being told what to wear, not to.tat and be a good boy.

 

[Omar10213245]

Denver has a much better defense than the Panthers and will.never be blown out by a team led by Newton. Newton can't read a defense and Von Miller will make this ***** his prison ***** , he will throw at least 3 hints and lose big.

Lol get outta here with that. Cant read a defense?? Are you kidding??

 

[SteelerFan448]

I'm going to shift gears and focus on Ben here. For Ben not getting the respected he deserved for so many years, you now hear more analysts comparing young NFL and college QBs to Ben Roethlisberger than any other QB in the league.

 

[Clete]

Lol get outta here with that. Cant read a defense?? Are you kidding??

No he can't read a defense, he sucks when he is in the pocket as the stats showed earlier in this thread.He has been carried by the defense, the running game and the EASY schedule. Newton is dumb , he is running a college style offense to limit his reads and hide his faults and he still can't complete 60% and still only has 3 players max go put on routes to further dumb it down for this thug. The Super Bowl will be epic in his my down, he pouts and hides his ugly mug in a towel when losing and the Broncos stifled both the Steelers and Patriots who have much better QBS than Newton.

 

[Coryea]

Cam is no different than the running QB's that came before him. He is having a great year. Let's see where it goes from here. Is he the best thrower? Not even close. He is doing well because of his running. When that slows or goes away, I seriously doubt he will do nearly as well and won't even be considered a top 5 or even top 10 QB.

yeah pretty much what he said. People were saying this about Kaepernick as well, let's see where he goes from here. He is completing under 60% of his passes, I dont care how tight the spiral is or how far he can throw, under 60% is not elite. He has a career comp% under 60 and this is the first time he's had a qb rating above 88.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Hmmmm ... You know, I've never thought of this before. However, is there a way to "peg" or "save" threads on the forum so that they are more easily retrieved at a later time?

Edit: Never mind, I'm guessing that subscribing to the thread will work.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I've seen Cam sit in the pocket scan the field over and over in read to the next. He rarely takes off and panics. He stands in there and delivers the football. Clete(Franco) if you can't see the strides he has made as a QB you haven't been watching. Denver's best asset is there pass rush. But if they leave a gap or rush undisciplined Cam will slash them and if they don't get there there he will pick them apart. This game is all about Cam vs the Broncos Defense so we will see in a couple of weeks for sure.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I've seen Cam sit in the pocket scan the field over and over in read to the next. He rarely takes off and panics. He stands in there and delivers the football. Clete(Franco) if you can't see the strides he has made as a QB you haven't been watching. Denver's best asset is there pass rush. But if they leave a gap or rush undisciplined Cam will slash them and if they don't get there there he will pick them apart. This game is all about Cam vs the Broncos Defense so we will see in a couple of weeks for sure.

THAT'S the name I was searching for .... for some reason I kept thinking "Par". Not saying they are the same. However, they have very similar posting styles.

 

[Stryker]

He is a piece of **** as a person, is dumb as a brick and he knew his dad was selling his ads to.Miss State. Sorry stealing a teammates laptop and buying exams and cheating on exams is not something you outgrow it shows your lack of character, kinda like when the piece of **** wears the Gatorade towel.on his head during the national anthem. Funny the Panthers think so little of him and his character they forbid him.to.get tattooed to try and keep the thug from coming out so they can market his dumb ads. He is an Uncle Tom more than anything else, allowing him to.be sold to Aurburn and now being told what to wear, not to.tat and be a good boy.

Ray Lewis never killed anyone else after he was caught...

Seriously though, the thing people are not talking about is Luke Keuchly (or however you spell it). Dude is playing the best defensive ball in the league this year. He's also got a playoff mode that exceeds his regular season intensity. Peyton may not walk after this game. I already know he can't move in the pocket. Dude is dead in the water against the Cats' D.

 

[Omar10213245]

yeah pretty much what he said. People were saying this about Kaepernick as well, let's see where he goes from here. He is completing under 60% of his passes, I dont care how tight the spiral is or how far he can throw, under 60% is not elite. He has a career comp% under 60 and this is the first time he's had a qb rating above 88.

Well, take it for what its worth, he's throwing at a 70% clip in these playoffs so far. Yes, its just 2 games, but these are playoff games, not regular season.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

Cam was compared to Ben coming in the league. When he wins a SB, that comparison will be right.

Also, why is it that the "new prototypical Quartarback" term always seems to be given to black QBs? Seems a bit racist to me. These guys are mobile athletes who can throw the ball. It will always be difficult defending that type of talent, no matter what era you play in.

Guys are finally getting a chance to play. Guys are getting a chance to fail.

In the old days if a team drafted a Black QB in the first round and he didn't pan out, you wouldn't see another team do it for several years. At the high school and collegiate levels, talented athletes were moved away from QB and into other positions. But now, Jamarcus Russell can be a dud and no one bats an eye. Scouts don't hold every Black QB accountable for it, like they did before. Moreover, college coaches have found that Black QBs are a tremendous asset, and are no longer so eager to move them to other positions. As a result, in recent years, you've seen a spate of Black QBs winning the Heisman and playing in the Superbowl.

Sports writers are a liberal bunch. They want to make some ado about this, without coming off as racial. So they talk about the rise of "athletic" and "option type" quarterbacks so they can disguise dragging their politics into sport. The truth is, the move to mobile QBs started back in the 1980s with Randall. Innovative coaches wanted them. Problem is, the guys with the size and arm to play at the pro level were not suited to the more running back type QBs that wishbone/triple option college coaches utilized. As a result you got a lot of smallish Black QBs in the NFL who were not suited to the pro game, and a lot of talented high school QBs who were moved to defense or tight end because they had size.

The spread option changed the dynamic. Now college coaches were looking for Black QBs that had a skill/talent set that would actually translate to the NFL. Add to that the many QB camps and coaches that have popped up across the nation, and you have many more young people of all stripes with a better understanding of the position than previous generations. And for the first time in the history of professional football, talent and ability are winning out over skin color.

That IS a new paradigm.

 

[insaniti]

Guys are finally getting a chance to play. Guys are getting a chance to fail.

In the old days if a team drafted a Black QB in the first round and he didn't pan out, you wouldn't see another team do it for several years. At the high school and collegiate levels, talented athletes were moved away from QB and into other positions. But now, Jamarcus Russell can be a dud and no one bats an eye. Scouts don't hold every Black QB accountable for it, like they did before. Moreover, college coaches have found that Black QBs are a tremendous asset, and are no longer so eager to move them to other positions. As a result, in recent years, you've seen a spate of Black QBs winning the Heisman and playing in the Superbowl.

Sports writers are a liberal bunch. They want to make some ado about this, without coming off as racial. So they talk about the rise of "athletic" and "option type" quarterbacks so they can disguise dragging their politics into sport. The truth is, the move to mobile QBs started back in the 1980s with Randall. Innovative coaches wanted them. Problem is, the guys with the size and arm to play at the pro level were not suited to the more running back type QBs that wishbone/triple option college coaches utilized. As a result you got a lot of smallish Black QBs in the NFL who were not suited to the pro game, and a lot of talented high school QBs who were moved to defense or tight end because they had size.

The spread option changed the dynamic. Now college coaches were looking for Black QBs that had a skill/talent set that would actually translate to the NFL. Add to that the many QB camps and coaches that have popped up across the nation, and you have many more young people of all stripes with a better understanding of the position than previous generations. And for the first time in the history of professional football, talent and ability are winning out over skin color.

That IS a new paradigm.

This is one of the dumbest things I've read in awhile. You contradict yourself in your own post, first you say coaches are looking for black QB's, then you say talent and ability are winning over skin color...That in itself would tell the true story that coaches are simply looking for talent, not black QB's.

 

[Coach]

If any one doesn't think Cam can read a defense is flat out wrong. Think Warren Moon in a bigger body.

Newton's ability to read a defense is average. His laser arm makes the difference. I have not seen him catch a defense out of alignment, or wisely audible very often.

His judgement, however, is better these days. I would not compare him to Moon! Newton has only had one really good season ( 2015 ) . Moon was a pure passer type who played in an era where the QB could be hit, the WR's jammed, and the tackled lined up on the LOS like the rest of the players.

 

[TDX27]

As soon as Cam has that first serious injury (and it is coming as it does to all running QB's), he will lose a step physically, mentally or both. When that happens, he will need to stay in the pocket more. Can he do it and be a true QB? Don't know. Most running QB's don't have great careers. He does have a strong arm but will need to work more on his accuracy. Ben is not in Cam's league as far as running but he did run and scramble a lot more when he was younger. He has had to learn to stay in the pocket more, read defenses better and throw with more accuracy. All have made him one of the best in the game. Cam is a long way from that. He is relying on his sheer athleticism right now and he is one hell of an athlete.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Newton's ability to read a defense is average. His laser arm makes the difference. I have not seen him catch a defense out of alignment, or wisely audible very often.

His judgement, however, is better these days. I would not compare him to Moon! Newton has only had one really good season ( 2015 ) . Moon was a pure passer type who played in an era where the QB could be hit, the WR's jammed, and the tackled lined up on the LOS like the rest of the players.

I compare him to Moon in the sense that on plays that aren't designed runs Newton stands in the pocket and doesn't take off unless absolutely forced too. Moon was like that. He could run but didnt.

 

[Max Power]

So why then was Cam so god awful until this year? One doesn't just wake up and become "superman". He sure thinks he is though.

Several things had to sync up for this run. An easy schedule is clearly the bigger part. The Defense is also part of what is making it look better. Newton will excel only until his fearless style of playing goes out. It will, either by injury or simply psychologically being let down.

He ain't the first run happy QB on the planet, he's just the flavor of the day.

Wasn't so long ago some RG3 held that distinction. Where is he now?

 

[antdrewjosh]

So why then was Cam so god awful until this year? One doesn't just wake up and become "superman". He sure thinks he is though.

Several things had to sync up for this run. An easy schedule is clearly the bigger part. The Defense is also part of what is making it look better. Newton will excel only until his fearless style of playing goes out. It will, either by injury or simply psychologically being let down.

He ain't the first run happy QB on the planet, he's just the flavor of the day.

Wasn't so long ago some RG3 held that distinction. Where is he now?

If you haven't watch him play one game this year just say so.

 

[Litos]

there's no prototype, the guy has skills in two areas, aided with his size and strength puts him in a situation where he can be a top player if the mental part keeps improving. He can be unique actually and trying to make a mold out of him will translate in bad drafting for eager teams. Russel Wilson is the closest comparison for him I think, both are very talented and could make dynasties out of their teams.

But if there's a QB in the draft who maybe isn't that mobile or doesn't have the ideal size but he still is very accurate, strong armed and smart there shouldn't be any doubt that he should be picked ahead of looking for the next Cam Newton and drafting a bust.

 

[Coryea]

This exactly what they were saying about Kaepernick, he's the closest comparison to Newton, not quite as big, but faster. He actually has a better career completion% and passer rating than Newton does too.

 

[Omar10213245]

This exactly what they were saying about Kaepernick, he's the closest comparison to Newton, not quite as big, but faster. He actually has a better career completion% and passer rating than Newton does too.

come on....lets be real here. No one in their right mind would take kaepernick over newton.

 

[Coryea]

come on....lets be real here. No one in their right mind would take kaepernick over newton.

Not now, that's not what I'm saying, but a couple years ago people were saying this exact same thing about Kaepernick being the new type of QB that everyone looks for, and most would've taken him over Cam a couple years ago.

 

[TDX27]

Definitely true about Kaepernick. A couple years ago, everyone was raving about him. Now, he is almost out of the league. He may get out of his current funk but he may not. The closest to Cam in the league would be Russell Wilson. He looks good at times and other times looks horrible. Scrambling ability is good to have at QB but you still need to be able to throw from the pocket in this league.