Has L. Bell shown up for camp yet?

[SteelDreems7]

Lev Bell Show ?

When will #[emoji638][emoji642] show his face ? He needs to get with the picture especially with what he will be paid for thus season alone !!!


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[Supersteeler]

Just like Cope said Bell didnt leak the steelers offer the Steelers did. Why? To make Bell look ungrateful.

It worked. He looks ungrateful.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

They offered him 3.5 million more than the top back makes. Yeah he is a greedy *******.

He thinks he is worth number 1 back and number 2 receiver money combined. He has lost his freaking mind if he thinks the Steelers will give that kind of cash.

 

[antdrewjosh]

perhaps the contract making him the highest paid running back... makes it a good deal ? ?

Up front money?? Whats on the back end?

 

[antdrewjosh]

Steelers leak final offer to Le’Veon Bell, with incomplete details

Mike Florio
4 weeks ago

The Pittsburgh Steelers and franchise-tagged running back Le’Veon Bell were unable to work out a long-term deal before Monday’s deadline. Bell publicly groused about the team’s offer. So the team privately leaked some of the details.


But not enough of them.

Tom Pelissero of NFL Media reports that the Steelers offered Bell a contract that carries an annual average of more than $12 million per year, with $30 million payable in the first two years and $42 million over three. While that’s better than nothing, it’s impossible to fully evaluate the quality of the deal without more.

Most importantly, how much was fully guaranteed at signing? With a $12.1 million in guaranteed salary for 2017 and the promise of a 20-percent raise for 2018 under the tag, Bell should have been looking for $26.62 million fully guaranteed over the first two years. The Steelers, however, typically don’t fully guarantee money beyond year one. Without knowing the full guarantee from the moment Bell inked the deal, there’s no way to know whether he should have taken it.

Also, what’s the cash flow in year one? By simply saying he’d make $30 million in the first two years, the Steelers adroitly glossed over the key question of whether Bell would make $12.1 million this year, $26.62 million, or something in between that. Absent that detail, there’s no way to know the quality of the deal.

Finally, what’s the term of the deal? Ian Rapoport of NFL Media chimes in that it would have been a five-year contract. This means that Bell would have been swapping one year at $12.1 million for one year at whatever the offer would have paid this year (we still don’t know) plus a team-held option for 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021.

In leaking the information (which is a bit of a surprise), the Steelers want to seem reasonable — even if it makes Bell look greedy. Whatever the details of the offer were, Bell gets $12.1 million this year (if/when he signs the tender) and either $14.52 million next year or a shot at the open market. If the Steelers weren’t willing to give Bell any guarantees beyond 2017 and likewise not willing to pay him $26.62 million or close to it this year, he made the right decision.

 

[stillwright]

Up front money?? Whats on the back end?

The thing is the Steelers honor there contracts for the most part..Woodley was canned yes....There is probably a bigger chance of Bell getting pop again with a positive test or changing his phone number and getting suspended than of him getting cut by the Steelers before he played out his contract if he would have signed in my opinion.

 

[Stryker]

Rereading that post from AJ about the contract leak, just makes me think there is a poison pill somewhere that Bell's team didn't like. Steelers want to be able to pull the rip cord if he has another drug issue. Bell's team wants more stability. To be honest, Bell can't expect stability since all of his problems are caused by him. At least not on this team. The Steelers will franchise him a second time if it comes to that, and if so, they get exactly what they wanted out of their initial contract: Signing Bell for 2 years and can drop him year 3 with no financial burden.

Financially it actually works better for the Steelers this way. Instead of a 5yr contract with $30M guaranteed in 2 years, and dead money if you kill the contract, you have a 2 year commitment for $26M and no dead money. Right now it's a win for the Steelers and they are not on the hook this year, or next year, if Bell injures himself significantly.

 

[stillwright]

Rereading that post from AJ about the contract leak, just makes me think there is a poison pill somewhere that Bell's team didn't like. Steelers want to be able to pull the rip cord if he has another drug issue. Bell's team wants more stability. To be honest, Bell can't expect stability since all of his problems are caused by him. At least not on this team. The Steelers will franchise him a second time if it comes to that, and if so, they get exactly what they wanted out of their initial contract: Signing Bell for 2 years and can drop him year 3 with no financial burden.

Financially it actually works better for the Steelers this way. Instead of a 5yr contract with $30M guaranteed in 2 years, and dead money if you kill the contract, you have a 2 year commitment for $26M and no dead money. Right now it's a win for the Steelers and they are not on the hook this year, or next year, if Bell injures himself significantly.

I agree 100%.. and in the end Bell can ask for whatever he wants....maybe some team will give him what he wants 2 years down the road...personally I just hope it isn't the Steelers.

 

[antdrewjosh]

And i understand the Steelers veiwpoint. They are doing whats best for them. Why cant Bell do the same? Whats wrong with betting on himself to stay out of trouble and be put up monster numbers. Him sitting out is a business decision. Why put himself at risk beforw he has too. As long as he reports in enough time to get adjusted. I just dont get the greedy or selfish part of it. We can all agree when he is on the field he is a team player willing to do what it takes to help the team win..

 

[antdrewjosh]

And i understand the Steelers veiwpoint. They are doing whats best for them. Why cant Bell do the same? Whats wrong with betting on himself to stay out of trouble and be put up monster numbers. Him sitting out is a business decision. Why put himself at risk beforw he has too. As long as he reports in enough time to get adjusted. I just dont get the greedy or selfish part of it. We can all agree when he is on the field he is a team player willing to do what it takes to help the team win..

 

[SteelChip]

Rereading that post from AJ about the contract leak, just makes me think there is a poison pill somewhere that Bell's team didn't like. Steelers want to be able to pull the rip cord if he has another drug issue. Bell's team wants more stability. To be honest, Bell can't expect stability since all of his problems are caused by him. At least not on this team. The Steelers will franchise him a second time if it comes to that, and if so, they get exactly what they wanted out of their initial contract: Signing Bell for 2 years and can drop him year 3 with no financial burden.

Financially it actually works better for the Steelers this way. Instead of a 5yr contract with $30M guaranteed in 2 years, and dead money if you kill the contract, you have a 2 year commitment for $26M and no dead money. Right now it's a win for the Steelers and they are not on the hook this year, or next year, if Bell injures himself significantly.

Yeh, me too. I also think he may have screwed himself by not taking that deal because without Peterson's salary in the mix next year, his anticipated salary has to drop significantly....maybe as much as $ 4M per.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I don't think Bell and his agent see the entire picture. The endorsement side of earnings is huge. Had he taken the high rode and come to camp, his popularity would have stayed high. Right now the only thing I would sign him to endorse is Chantix.

 

[Drink IRON City]

The pooch has been screwed. Bell has a lot riding on his decision to not take the deal. More power to him in that regards but flip side of the coin is he also has a LOT to lose. I highly doubt he will fail drug test but his injury history promotes a different story. Two years with out significant injury is hard for healthy RBs yet alone injury prone RBs because that is what Bell is, injury prone. Money in hand is worth more than maybe money in hand. His decision is his and as long as he is a STEELERS player I will want nothing but the BEST for him. Change uniform and I could care less of his demise.



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[GMC]

Yeh, me too. I also think he may have screwed himself by not taking that deal because without Peterson's salary in the mix next year, his anticipated salary has to drop significantly....maybe as much as $ 4M per.

The tag number cannot go down in year 2, he'll get 120% of what he's making this year.

 

[stillwright]

The tag number cannot go down in year 2, he'll get 120% of what he's making this year.

Yep.. $14 mill plus if we tag him again next season. He is lucky Peterson's deal counted for this season.. for sure.

 

[stillwright]

Why do people think he is being greedy? Really? Most if not all think the $12 mill a year was a fair offer but the guaranteed money was the issue... I think it was more than just that...Bell want Top RB money and #2 WR money... $16 mill per seasons....if that is true and I personally do (and it's Bell right to value himself that high) that is what makes him greedy. All things considered with suspensions and injury issue.

 

[TDX27]

They offered him what the tag would be next year but for the 1st three years. 14 million per year for first three years. That's a heck of an offer. Did he think they would be dumb enough to give him all of that in a signing bonus? Apparently so. Now, just get out there and play and hope you don't have a bad year, get hurt or get busted again.

 

[antdrewjosh]

So if Brown is getting 17 million a year. Bell is greedy for asking for 15 -16 million. Brown is 5 million dollars better then Bell? Dont see it. And i dont want to hear about positions. Brown is not 5 million dollars better as a football player then Bell.

 

[wig]

Bell isn't Brown.

Sorry Dude.

In an earlier post I pointed out that over the last 4 years, Bell had managed to compete in 73% of the regular season games.

Brown has competed in 100% of the regular season games over those same 4 years.. He's also posted 1000 yards in each of those last 4 seasons.

at BEST, based on attendance alone, Bell can't argue better than 12.4 million.

Now if you consider TDs over that same period, Brown has 43...

Bell - 26. That means Bell's scoring output is about 60% of Browns. (We won't worry about the fact that Brown is one of 5 wideouts and Bell is one of 2 RBs)

So, that would mean you could easily argue that the best rate Bell could hope for is 10.2 million dollars.

**** - His numbers are shrinking! He ought to sign quickly! Before I look up Coates TDs and contract and start balancing Bell against HIM!

 

[slashsteel]

not sure how drew is trying to compare a WR and a RBs worth. They aren't deemed equal by the league. We can only go position by position.

If you are offered the highest contract for your position that should be deemed a solid offer.

 

[wig]

I don't really have anything against Bell. I honestly believe he's simply doing a "reset". He's getting a free 12.1 million this year.

If he has as solid a year as he generally does, he will either get the same kind of offer next year (or better) or he'll go somewhere else and get the same kind of offer or better. He's simply getting a free 12 million this year and holding off the contract year.

He's betting he doesn't take a catastrophic injury in the process and if he happens to play the entire year and win some hardware, it's huge for him. The fact that he's going to be behind one of the best lines in football and have 2 of the best receivers drawing attention away from him is a HUGE upside for him. He and his agent must be ******* thrilled. It's a perfect storm for him.

All he has to do is avoid getting hurt and put up what for him is a pretty standard season, which I'm sure he'll do.

But he can't really expect the fans to love him as he's not really in it for the "Team" as much as he's in it for the contract. Sure I get it, but at least TRY to pretend that you care about the fans and the team.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Bell isn't Brown.

Sorry Dude.

In an earlier post I pointed out that over the last 4 years, Bell had managed to compete in 73% of the regular season games.

Brown has competed in 100% of the regular season games over those same 4 years.. He's also posted 1000 yards in each of those last 4 seasons.

at BEST, based on attendance alone, Bell can't argue better than 12.4 million.

Now if you consider TDs over that same period, Brown has 43...

Bell - 26. That means Bell's scoring output is about 60% of Browns. (We won't worry about the fact that Brown is one of 5 wideouts and Bell is one of 2 RBs)

So, that would mean you could easily argue that the best rate Bell could hope for is 10.2 million dollars.

**** - His numbers are shrinking! He ought to sign quickly! Before I look up Coates TDs and contract and start balancing Bell against HIM!

In a passing league of course numbers will be skewed toward Brown. But that shouldnt determine anything. Bell is just as good as FOOTBALL player as Brown. He is elite in three catergories running catching and blocking. Brown is not 5 million dollars better then Bell as a football player and no stat will convince me of that. And watching games no one on this board should see that. Availability I understand that. So ok yes you put availability clauses no problem. But the money Brown is not 5 million dollars better then Bell.

 

[stillwright]

In a passing league of course numbers will be skewed toward Brown. But that shouldnt determine anything. Bell is just as good as FOOTBALL player as Brown. He is elite in three catergories running catching and blocking. Brown is not 5 million dollars better then Bell as a football player and no stat will convince me of that. And watching games no one on this board should see that. Availability I understand that. So ok yes you put availability clauses no problem. But the money Brown is not 5 million dollars better then Bell.

Well I would argue we gave AB to much....and you can't pay everyone $16 to $17 mill and expect to be competitive. ...so Bell can go to another team either next season or the season after. No biggie. We will have another RB carrying the ball.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Well I would argue we gave AB to much....and you can't pay everyone $16 to $17 mill and expect to be competitive. ...so Bell can go to another team either next season or the season after. No biggie. We will have another RB carrying the ball.

We probably will have another RB but losing the top RB is a biggie. Especially if Ben is retiring soon. And if he is retiring soon we would easily be able to afford Bell. Its one thing to be upset or tired of him but losing him is a step back. That cant be refuted. You dont lose the best and its not a step back.

 

[Stryker]

In a passing league of course numbers will be skewed toward Brown. But that shouldnt determine anything. Bell is just as good as FOOTBALL player as Brown. He is elite in three catergories running catching and blocking. Brown is not 5 million dollars better then Bell as a football player and no stat will convince me of that. And watching games no one on this board should see that. Availability I understand that. So ok yes you put availability clauses no problem. But the money Brown is not 5 million dollars better then Bell.

Brown is also an elite receiver of all time. His only peers when checking stats are HOFers Harrison and Rice. His numbers are sick and will pale against anyone elses' numbers.

Though looking at their stats, the only stat that Bell beats AB at each year he played, is total yards per game.