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Fire Fitchner....Promote Canada

Black & Gold Bleeder said:
Oh horse ****.

Bens the only chance this offense in this current configuration has.
Yes the o line needs work. But so does our play calling and personnell sets.

Where the **** is derek watt? Where are mid range patterns? Ben is fine.
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I think you may have just been looking to say "Bull ****". Show me where I said Ben wasn't the best chance that this offense has of succeeding? Dude isn't infallible though. There's **** he could be doing better too. And, if there's things he's becoming unable to do, the offense (OC) needs to adjust. But the adjustment to this short passing, crippled offense isn't working now, didn't work last year and won't work ever.
So, I see your "Bull ****" and raise you an alpaca ****! lol
 
Steeler Pride said:
That record is as worthless as his "never having a losing record." When all of his records and accolades brings a SB to fruition, then we can talk about whatever records he holds.
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It isn't a worthless record we just desire more. Rightfully so. Have a losing coach and all of a sudden a winning coach looks pretty attractive. I have done that at times too discount one thing because they didn't get that SB ring. I also don't want to have a bottom feeding team. We don't have that. I want a team that wins, we have that. I ultimately want a team that can win a SB. That is what we fall short on. I get it. But I think it is important to point out positives too. They had an attractive streak going on and I enjoyed it. After last year's season it was a nice happening.

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We don't hire/fire coaches mid season. We're not the Ravens with Harbaugh with a bitchy Ego that has to throw his assistants under the bus to keep a job.

So no I don't think Fichtner should be fired mid season. Why? Because he can still be an asset in game planning.

I will concede that it is time to try to turn over play calling to Canada though. We are into the definition of insanity now the past 5 weeks...
 
madinsomniac said:
i want everyone to think back to last year when the offense was faltering exactly tge same way and everyone blamed it on rudolph, a notorious deep ball passer in college, and duck, a more mid range guy... Niether were the fault of the hideous dink and dunk... Ben isn’t now... There is a common thread that is not a qb
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x1000
 
Cope said:
We don't hire/fire coaches mid season. We're not the Ravens with Harbaugh with a bitchy Ego that has to throw his assistants under the bus to keep a job.

So no I don't think Fichtner should be fired mid season. Why? Because he can still be an asset in game planning.

I will concede that it is time to try to turn over play calling to Canada though. We are into the definition of insanity now the past 5 weeks...
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An asset in game planning ? LMFAO. He is RESPONSIBLE for the abortions we see week in and week out.
 
madinsomniac said:
There are Some rules I have for Liking an OC

1. They should coach from the booth... sideline doesn’t give you all the angles and stills miss motion...
2. Tgey have to be able to first and foremost build a blocking scheme that works... Run plays and pass routes are great, but all of that dies if the line doesn’t work
3. They need to be able to use early game plays to set up late game plays.
4. They have to be able to add wrinkles throughout the season and game to keep defenses guessing
5. They have to be able to build an offense that can attack in multiple ways to best counter and attack defensive strengths and weaknesses while maximizing the offensive players strengths
6. They Must Design 3rd down Pass plays to Mostly exceed the 3rd down marker... not everything should be gained by yac
7. Use pass routes and motion to open plays up
8. Periodically add gimmick plays, but don’t overuse them...
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Randy is 0 for 8, there.
 
Cope said:
Game planning and play calling are 2 vastly different things.
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Our game plans have been **** and repetitive all year. Couple that with awful play calling and you have the shitshow our offense has been all year.
 
George12 said:
Our game plans have been **** and repetitive all year. Couple that with awful play calling and you have the shitshow our offense has been all year.
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Right. While we have very few future HOF guys on offense right now, we do have athletes and professionals. We should be able to adjust enough to score on one of five tries from the one yard line.
 
George12 said:
Our game plans have been **** and repetitive all year. Couple that with awful play calling and you have the shitshow our offense has been all year.
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OK George. What has our game plan been the last 3 games? Or do you think the game planning is, OK Ben, we need you to throw INTs, and WRs we're doing to good, drop more balls. Because that is execution.
 
Cope said:
OK George. What has our game plan been the last 3 games? Or do you think the game planning is, OK Ben, we need you to throw INTs, and WRs we're doing to good, drop more balls. Because that is execution.
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It seems to be the standard, which is the standard.
 
When talking about team field operation remember

“Scheme” is the overall strategy, its broader than a gameplan... its running a predominately 3/4 Over a 4/3 or utilizing a Specific primary blocking strategy... scheme is more foundational... scheme is usually spoken of As a general technical philosophy

“Gameplans” are The use of specific plays, personal, and strategies designed to Attack a specific teams weaknesses and defend against their strength or cover up your own teams liabilities... utilizing plays with extra dbs against pass heavy teams or doubling a great passrusher is part of a gameplan...

“Formations“ (Or sets) are the alignment of players before the snap... multiple plays should be able to be run from a particular formation

“Plays” are the designed paths and responsibilities players have after the snap... route trees, read progressions, blocking responsibilities, coverages, and rush lanes are all set by play design... and plays can have multiple responsibilities for players based off their reads of tge other teams actions...

“Playcalling” is selecting plays out of the gameplan or larger playbook on a play by play basis... bear in mind plays can be audibled out of at the lineby the qb.....

“Execution” is the players performing their duties... execution fails for the following reasons

1. Players making incorrect reads or miscommunications ( blown coverages or missed blocks
2. Players just failing to do what they are supposed to do ( missed tackles, Dropped passes)
3. Players physically unable to perform the duty ( linebacker covering a wr for a long duration)
4. The play not operating as designed ( the safety not biting on a decoy route, the blitz being picked up)



A little of each has failed us recently... i think the set plays to start the game have been atrocious, scoring few points, and few have led to late game advantages... I think our deep and mid passing game is pedestrian from the play design side

The drops and missed blocks are a lot of execution fails...
 
For the record I believe our blocking “scheme is bad
I think the deep to mid round play design is bad
I think the offensive gameplaning and playcalling have lots to be desired... and the special teams gameplanning has been erratic at best
 
Cope said:
OK George. What has our game plan been the last 3 games? Or do you think the game planning is, OK Ben, we need you to throw INTs, and WRs we're doing to good, drop more balls. Because that is execution.
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Pass the ball way too much pass the ball way too short no misdirection no play action .Dropped passes don't mean all that much when you have an offense that scares no one and has shrunk the field to the point it suffocates our already piss poor running game by having the entire defense sitting on short routes etc. and being in the box which kills both the run and short passing game. We do not ever come out with different game plans to take advantage of opponents weaknesses we just do what we do under the idiot firm of Tomlin and Fitchner.
 
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George12 said:
Pass the ball way too much pass the ball way too short no misdirection no play action .Dropped passes don't mean all that much when you have an offense that scares no one and has shrunk the field to the point it suffocates our already piss poor running game by having the entire defense sitting on short routes etc.
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The reason they overpass is because 3/4ths of the Time they line up for a run, the defense is stacked against it so Ben audibles to a pass... its the inverse of the arians days, when ben would audible into mendenhall spin runs because the defense was in deep coverage so much...

Honestly if tgey just run 30 times for 2.5 ypc they are going to lose miserably anyhow...
 
Maybe quit depending on the pop gun 3 yard passes. Put Ben under center and use play action and go deep. AGAIN the stupidity of going to a short as hell passing game out of shotgun kills both our running and pass game as it compresses the field. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity or better yet Tomlin Ball.
 
Tomlin isn't going to fire his buddy, and Tomlin has a big say in the offense, so unless Tomlin will back off and let the OC do their job, it probably wont matter.
 
Cope said:
OK George. What has our game plan been the last 3 games? Or do you think the game planning is, OK Ben, we need you to throw INTs, and WRs we're doing to good, drop more balls. Because that is execution.
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but wait cope. You said we didnt need a run game. The passing juggernaut we were earlier is all we needed.
 
George12 said:
Maybe quit depending on the pop gun 3 yard passes. Put Ben under center and use play action and go deep. AGAIN the stupidity of going to a short as hell passing game out of shotgun kills both our running and pass game as it compresses the field. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity or better yet Tomlin Ball.
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I saw the Steelers trying to establish the run and did so effectively last week in the first half, before abandoning the run to try to pass their way out of a 2 score deficit. The problem right now is the hurry up/2min offense that everyone wants to have Ben run more of, now has lost us the game with a pick 6, 3 INTs and a turnover on downs the past 2 weeks.
 
Coryea said:
Tomlin isn't going to fire his buddy, and Tomlin has a big say in the offense, so unless Tomlin will back off and let the OC do their job, it probably wont matter.
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Well, besides the fact that he's the head coach and actually SHOULD have a big say in the offense (or at least the game plan), I'd love to see some links stating that Tomlin is involved in the play by play calling of the game. Iirc, he's stated that he has final say on things like 3rd and long play calls, 4th down play calls etc. But, play by play calling the game. Nah, I've never seen that stated anywhere. I mean bash Tomlin for some of the stupid calls he has OK'd - pass to the tackle eligible in the RZ, deep pass to McFarland on 4th down, and others. However, for the most part it's Randy's **** show. Just like it was Haley's **** show and Arians' before him.
 
I seem to have detected a trend that the offense is better when they have an OC who Ben doesn't like.
 
When we played Dallas they had a borderline historically bad D, especially against the run and we ran for *drum roll* 46 yards total. You cant blame scheduling / COVID for that one either. I think the bottom line is our Oline stinks and the coaches know it. They switched to the quick passing to save Ben, but teams have easily adjusted. Teams can sit on the short routes, plus the DBs are in the box and can assist stopping our running game. We have to do something to mix it up and that is on the coaches. What I would try is a jumbo package w/ two TEs. I dont think Ebron and McDonald have been on the field together much. McDonald has been pretty useless this year because coaches seem to have fallen in love with Ebron. Most of DJs drops are running before catching the ball. Its no excuse for dropping them, but when your offense depends on WRs getting yards on their own it creates a lot of pressure on them. Even with a crappy oline we should be able to throw 10-15yrd passes.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I seem to have detected a trend that the offense is better when they have an OC who Ben doesn't like.
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They were scoring 30 points a game earlier this season. This offense had something going for it. What happened?
 
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