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Excellent Article on Coaching

Cope said:
Playoff record is the ultimate ******* in statistics. If you don't win a superbowl that year, you don't have a long playoff run of positive effect. If you're the 1/2 seed and you lose in the AFCC you are 1-1 or 500. A successful season. Top 4 in the NFL. 500 record.

Harbaugh is 10-5 in the playoffs and has as many super bowl rings and one less appearance than Tomlin at 8-7.

Harbaugh also missed the playoffs for the past 4/5 years and will probably miss it this year (5/6). He will not be in Baltimore next year. Has a great playoff record, will be unemployed because of his regular season record.

The only way to have a good record in the playoffs is to make it to the superbowl. Otherwise your team will be 500 in the playoffs or winless.

A lot of fans want to keep pointing toward past production as a future indicator, but that is never the case. Each team is different. This team is different, and this coaching staff is different. It is more equipped to handle NE this year, and we'll all see that in a few weeks.
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Well written. But the perception has been that this team is one of the ones who does less with more. Underachieves in the playoffs. An you measure that with success. When the majority of your playoff success is from when you walked in the door. Eventually the natives will get restless. I think most will agree the pieces are in place for this team to have a successful postseason. You want to quiet a nation of fans? Just win. They are building the foundation for that now. But it needs to continue. And strengthen. For me it is two fold. I am really loving this season despite the start. But want to see a better finish.

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Cope said:
Here's a fantastic article that outlines the coaching moves made by Tomlin his season, and the great job Fichtner and Butler are doing.

I know I've discussed it a bit with Coach and Mr Peeples, but here's a guy that's paid to do it. It is a bit more eloquent than myself, and provides a complete observation of all of the moves made from last season through this one.:

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburg...elers-succeeding-Blame-Mike-Tomlin-124667856/
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For openers Mr. Brown nose wrote it.

Sure Fitchner is excellent.

1 ) I wanted Haley GONE for years. What took Tomlin so long? Waiting for his contract to expire? Pfft. Ah what could have been...

2 ) Brown wasn't gong to be suspended. He defines Tomlin often, trading jersey's and such. If Tomlin had Brown' respect, these things would not happen.

3 ) Tomlin has taken Conner's side over Bell . LOL, that has nothing to due with coaching. Conner is better, Bell did not want to be here. There is only one side to take.

4 ) Refrained from using Ben and vet's extensively during the pre-season. Really? That's coaching? Its called don't waste your vets in meaningless games.

5 ) Not only using Coty Sensabaugh to replace Artie Burns at cornerback, but keeping Sensabaugh on the team when many throughout the preseason thought he should be released to make room for younger cornerbacks.? Sensabaugh made the team fair in square. Burns play forced the benching. Okay a coaching move that was a no brainer.

6 ) Easing Morgan Burnett through the preseason and early regular season. Really, the guy was hurting and not ready to play.

7 ) Next to Burnett at ILB in the quarter package, the Steelers are finally using their most athletic linebacker, L.J. Fort, who's already paid off with a touchdown, among other plays. This package has greatly solidified a defense that seemed to be drifting without direction after Ryan Shazier went down last December. Yes, a coaching move. What took Tomlin so long??? Williams and Bostic have no business in coverage. We saw this in the pre-season. Tomlin still lets Butler play the wrong ILB's, and his two man DL sets? Silly.

8 ) Trading for Ryan Switzer, who - in spite of one "boneheaded play" (his quote, not mine) - has been an outstanding return man, particularly in the punting game. I was for this move, and its Kevin Colbert's work. This writer is a brown nose, and does not know who made this move. Colbert also traded for Mcdonald, and signed Haden as a free agent. Give credit where its do, Mr. Wexell.

9 ) Using Matt Feiler at right tackle to replace the injured Marcus Gilbert was a bit of a surprise - considering the time Tomlin's given third-round pick Chuks Okorafor? No it wasn't Mr. Wexell. Okaorafor was beaten in the pre-season and is rookie. Feiler was better in the pre-season. Anyone who watched the games saw this.

>>> Need I go on? Most of this article is BS, and parts are wrong. Tomlin did not have his team ready to play when the season started. Colbert gives him top players, Fitchner calls the plays. Our red flags have been weak this year. Most here saw the Steelers as a 10-6 to12-4 type of team. We'll finish somewhere between those numbers. Its the playoffs that count, and Tomlin coached teams are 3-6 in their last nine tries. In the mean time, I'd be happy if the Steelers coaching sharpen up their situational football coaching.

As for moves Tomlin missed, he should have cut Berry, in favor of Wile. And he should have lighted Conner's load a bit sooner. We are seeing that now, why not a few games ago when the game was over?


 
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Cope said:
Playoff record is the ultimate ******* in statistics. If you don't win a superbowl that year, you don't have a long playoff run of positive effect. If you're the 1/2 seed and you lose in the AFCC you are 1-1 or 500. A successful season. Top 4 in the NFL. 500 record.

Harbaugh is 10-5 in the playoffs and has as many super bowl rings and one less appearance than Tomlin at 8-7.

Harbaugh also missed the playoffs for the past 4/5 years and will probably miss it this year (5/6). He will not be in Baltimore next year. Has a great playoff record, will be unemployed because of his regular season record.

The only way to have a good record in the playoffs is to make it to the superbowl. Otherwise your team will be 500 in the playoffs or winless.

A lot of fans want to keep pointing toward past production as a future indicator, but that is never the case. Each team is different. This team is different, and this coaching staff is different. It is more equipped to handle NE this year, and we'll all see that in a few weeks.
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slashsteel said:
Well written. But the perception has been that this team is one of the ones who does less with more. Underachieves in the playoffs. An you measure that with success. When the majority of your playoff success is from when you walked in the door. Eventually the natives will get restless. I think most will agree the pieces are in place for this team to have a successful postseason. You want to quiet a nation of fans? Just win. They are building the foundation for that now. But it needs to continue. And strengthen. For me it is two fold. I am really loving this season despite the start. But want to see a better finish.

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BOTH of you have hit this right on the head,

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to add to it is the one BIGGEST factor is that we have an actual OFFENSIVE CORDINATOR that uses BEN for his stregnth. Yes the other players to but past OCs didn't use him for his stregnth and that is NOT making him wait in the pocket 7-9 steps back and launching as opposed to the TODD **** show my way or the highway. FICHTNER is mixing and getting the match ups he wants and decoys are near as important as the play. Combine that with the up-tempo and no huddle along with the quick reads.........ROETHLESBERGER's strengths. BEN can do it all but these fine tuned plays are his specialties, we've seen it in the past but now we actually have a bonified OC who uses this.

Don't get me wrong as YES our other coaches have stepped up to, including the players. It's a whole new concept, TEAM and everyone is buying into it. I know JAMES CONNER's back story contributes but JuJu's selflessness plays into it to. Hell I seen CONNER make a catch/gain 6yards and when he was getting up as Shuster was walking by.......JuJu reached out and slapped five with him as if that was an everyday thing..............well past seasons, the players would have jumped upo and did a MEMEME celebration. AB has even toned it down for what it's worth. This TEAM has the "TEAM" attitude and that changes a whole lot of things.

The coaches have a big part in this as well. They sell the attitude, the sell the game plan, they make the decisions. Coach Cool Shades has the biggest part in this and he is living up to his head coaching role, thank you Mike Tomlin.



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Very good leader of men. Needs the right assistant coaches and coordinators to strategize the wins. But there is nothing wrong with that and I'm not belittling him for it in any way. This is my vision. Carry it out. Just needs the right people executing the vision. I will say this about the Steelers vs. The Pat's this time around. The Pats* goal has and always will be to defensively take away what you do best. What exactly is it the Steelers do best. Fill the box to stop Conner. Ok. I'd prefer to pass. Cover AB. Ok we will throw to JuJu, Conner and the TEs. This is the most diverse and multi dimensional the Steelers have been by far.
 
Coach said:
For openers Mr. Brown nose wrote it.

Sure Fitchner is excellent.

1 ) I wanted Haley GONE for years. What took Tomlin so long? Waiting for his contract to expire? Pfft. Ah what could have been...

2 ) Brown wasn't gong to be suspended. He defines Tomlin often, trading jersey's and such. If Tomlin had Brown' respect, these things would not happen.

3 ) Tomlin has taken Conner's side over Bell . LOL, that has nothing to due with coaching. Conner is better, Bell did not want to be here. There is only one side to take.

4 ) Refrained from using Ben and vet's extensively during the pre-season. Really? That's coaching? Its called don't waste your vets in meaningless games.

5 ) Not only using Coty Sensabaugh to replace Artie Burns at cornerback, but keeping Sensabaugh on the team when many throughout the preseason thought he should be released to make room for younger cornerbacks.? Sensabaugh made the team fair in square. Burns play forced the benching. Okay a coaching move that was a no brainer.

6 ) Easing Morgan Burnett through the preseason and early regular season. Really, the guy was hurting and not ready to play.

7 ) Next to Burnett at ILB in the quarter package, the Steelers are finally using their most athletic linebacker, L.J. Fort, who's already paid off with a touchdown, among other plays. This package has greatly solidified a defense that seemed to be drifting without direction after Ryan Shazier went down last December. Yes, a coaching move. What took Tomlin so long??? Williams and Bostic have no business in coverage. We saw this in the pre-season. Tomlin still lets Butler play the wrong ILB's, and his two man DL sets? Silly.

8 ) Trading for Ryan Switzer, who - in spite of one "boneheaded play" (his quote, not mine) - has been an outstanding return man, particularly in the punting game. I was for this move, and its Kevin Colbert's work. This writer is a brown nose, and does not know who made this move. Colbert also traded for Mcdonald, and signed Haden as a free agent. Give credit where its do, Mr. Wexell.

9 ) Using Matt Feiler at right tackle to replace the injured Marcus Gilbert was a bit of a surprise - considering the time Tomlin's given third-round pick Chuks Okorafor? No it wasn't Mr. Wexell. Okaorafor was beaten in the pre-season and is rookie. Feiler was better in the pre-season. Anyone who watched the games saw this.

>>> Need I go on? Most of this article is BS, and parts are wrong. Tomlin did not have his team ready to play when the season started. Colbert gives him top players, Fitchner calls the plays. Our red flags have been weak this year. Most here saw the Steelers as a 10-6 to12-4 type of team. We'll finish somewhere between those numbers. Its the playoffs that count, and Tomlin coached teams are 3-6 in their last nine tries. In the mean time, I'd be happy if the Steelers coaching sharpen up their situational football coaching.

As for moves Tomlin missed, he should have cut Berry, in favor of Wile. And he should have lighted Conner's load a bit sooner. We are seeing that now, why not a few games ago when the game was over?
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In 3 and 4 both have to do with head coaching. Being a head coach involves way more than just about X and O's.

Tomlin was being a head coach when he banned playing ping pong in the locker room a few years back.

I'm more or less neutral on Tomlin until someone convinces me otherwise.
 
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SteelerSask said:
Very good leader of men. Needs the right assistant coaches and coordinators to strategize the wins. But there is nothing wrong with that and I'm not belittling him for it in any way. This is my vision. Carry it out. Just needs the right people executing the vision. I will say this about the Steelers vs. The Pat's this time around. The Pats* goal has and always will be to defensively take away what you do best. What exactly is it the Steelers do best. Fill the box to stop Conner. Ok. I'd prefer to pass. Cover AB. Ok we will throw to JuJu, Conner and the TEs. This is the most diverse and multi dimensional the Steelers have been by far.
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I think they had a lot of the O pieces in place.They just weren't utilized correctly/ Haley loved focusing on Brown. And Cheat takes away what you do best.

Fitch is more of a spread the ball around type, which is harder to defend if ran right. Ben is running it right, as you are seeing results.

This team is built to beat the Pats, or should I say regardless in what the FO says they spent considerable time in thinking how to beat them.

Sprinkle in on fixing a leaky run D. So the FA's brought in was to fill these deficient holes. Which so far has worked for the most part.
 
slashsteel said:
I think they had a lot of the O pieces in place.They just weren't utilized correctly/ Haley loved focusing on Brown. And Cheat takes away what you do best.

Fitch is more of a spread the ball around type, which is harder to defend if ran right. Ben is running it right, as you are seeing results.

This team is built to beat the Pats, or should I say regardless in what the FO says they spent considerable time in thinking how to beat them.

Sprinkle in on fixing a leaky run D. So the FA's brought in was to fill these deficient holes. Which so far has worked for the most part.
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I really agree with this post Slash. The best part is that with AB he has still got his TD's which has kept him from being a *****, which he is inclined to do. When this offense executes the basic framework of what they are trying to do, they are very difficult to stop. For today, take care of the ball, tilt the field position on the Jags and take away their run on the way to Borttles. Don't need 45 points. 24 with ball control, time of possession and a neutral takeaway/ giveaway will do.
 
STOPPING the run is the biggest key as that will get the jagoffs out of their rhythm. Bortles needs the run/play action to succeed and if the run isn't working, well you get the point. Our "D" will get to bortles but the run is what needs first attention.




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SteelerSask said:
I really agree with this post Slash. The best part is that with AB he has still got his TD's which has kept him from being a *****, which he is inclined to do. When this offense executes the basic framework of what they are trying to do, they are very difficult to stop. For today, take care of the ball, tilt the field position on the Jags and take away their run on the way to Borttles. Don't need 45 points. 24 with ball control, time of possession and a neutral takeaway/ giveaway will do.
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Yeah I worried about Brown with the change of philosophy. And the TDs I am sure does help. Some playoff wins might even help even more.

And you are right if you are spreading the ball around, and sustaining more drives / time of possession. You are limiting the others teams chances on O.

Another thing I know Tomlin has been preaching is getting away from slow starts.And more importantly being down by 14 points or more.

Not that they can't come back from it, it just makes you press a little more as a team.

Which points us to the D that needs to keep improving.

For how much our O can take us to great things, we need the D to be at least capable of limiting. If nothing more than TDs to FGs.
 
Coach, you have shown you can not be objective. Objectivity is a foreign concept as you keep biases for players/coaches when they come to the team, and can't even admit improvement when it occurs. Like it lessens your first opinion of them or something.

I only care about results. The differences are easy to see this year. I led you to water and you refuse to drink. That's on you, not me.
 
Cope said:
Coach, you have shown you can not be objective. Objectivity is a foreign concept as you keep biases for players/coaches when they come to the team, and can't even admit improvement when it occurs. Like it lessens your first opinion of them or something.

I only care about results. The differences are easy to see this year. I led you to water and you refuse to drink. That's on you, not me.
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Cope,

I agree about results. What have the Steelers been in the playoffs? 13-3 means crap if you lose your first playoff game at home.

3-6 in the last nine when we were odds favorite more often than not? That my friend is the drink we have been served.

Wexell isn’t objective or correct in some cases. I pointed out a few in the article . The Steelers are a talented team.

I just want a head coach proactive to change not reactive after things blow up. I think I’m one of the least homer types here, as such I can be objective on less than popular observations and facts.


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Coach said:
Cope,

I agree about results. What have the Steelers been in the playoffs? 13-3 means crap if you lose your first playoff game at home.

3-6 in the last nine when we were odds favorite more often than not? That my friend is the drink we have been served.

Wexell isn’t objective or correct in some cases. I pointed out a few in the article . The Steelers are a talented team.

I just want a head coach proactive to change not reactive after things blow up. I think I’m one of the least homer types here, as such I can be objective on less than popular observations and facts.


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Coach you hang on your opinions and often treat them like facts. And very seldom do they change. You can window dress yourself all you want, but Cope is looking pretty accurate. And i am confident would hold the majority opinion.
 
slashsteel said:
Coach you hang on your opinions and often treat them like facts. And very seldom do they change. You can window dress yourself all you want, but Cope is looking pretty accurate. And i am confident would hold the majority opinion.
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Majority opinion? Go back and look at the "majority" opinion at the end of last year. Every one loved 13-3.... they were going to NE to... wait what? The coach is planning for NE but forgot about Jax?

The fact is that this team has to win a SB. Nothing else matters. Since Haley is gone, Brady's arm is shot and Tomlin is a genius/ master coach the trophy should be coming right? But I'm going out on a limb and say if it doesn't come Tomlin won't be blame by the "majority". It's going to be the OC, DC, players, cheating pats****, cheating refs, rigged games ETC.... Just like last year.
 
Vader said:
Majority opinion? Go back and look at the "majority" opinion at the end of last year. Every one loved 13-3.... they were going to NE to... wait what? The coach is planning for NE but forgot about Jax?

The fact is that this team has to win a SB. Nothing else matters. Since Haley is gone, Brady's arm is shot and Tomlin is a genius/ master coach the trophy should be coming right? But I'm going out on a limb and say if it doesn't come Tomlin won't be blame by the "majority". It's going to be the OC, DC, players, cheating pats****, cheating refs, rigged games ETC.... Just like last year.
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I think we are talking about different coaches. I was commenting on the boards coach. Not our teams coach.


And sure SB is the goal and only goal. Not sure Tomlin doesn't get his fair share of the blame when they fall short. I know I give him his fair due.
 
Vader said:
Majority opinion? Go back and look at the "majority" opinion at the end of last year. Every one loved 13-3.... they were going to NE to... wait what? The coach is planning for NE but forgot about Jax?

The fact is that this team has to win a SB. Nothing else matters. Since Haley is gone, Brady's arm is shot and Tomlin is a genius/ master coach the trophy should be coming right? But I'm going out on a limb and say if it doesn't come Tomlin won't be blame by the "majority". It's going to be the OC, DC, players, cheating pats****, cheating refs, rigged games ETC.... Just like last year.
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Well coached teams do not lead the NFL in penalties.


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Who is watching the game? We had extra time to prepare.

Coaches won’t adjust to stop the run. They put in a FB. We use off instead of putting an extra man in the box.

Tomlin blew a time out. A sneak works best when the clock is running and the distance is shorter. Could have used that time out to get into field goal range.

Great coaching? Whatever you say Jim Wexell.



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slashsteel said:
I think we are talking about different coaches. I was commenting on the boards coach. Not our teams coach.


And sure SB is the goal and only goal. Not sure Tomlin doesn't get his fair share of the blame when they fall short. I know I give him his fair due.
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Yes, you were talking about majority opinion about the coach here. I thought you were talking about the article that was being discussed.

But look at how Tomlin is being perceived right now. Last year he got a little heat for losing at home against a nobody QB (Remember Cowher got blasted for losing AFCC games but it's ok for Tomlin to lose before the AFCC game). Now he's great because he got rid of a OC.... even though the OC kept his QB alive after he was forced to fire his beloved Arians who was getting the QB killed. The article seems to be a fluff piece. Even the guy that wrote it says most of it was common sense because he would have done the same thing.
 
Coach said:
Who is watching the game? We had extra time to prepare.

Coaches won’t adjust to stop the run. They put in a FB. We use off instead of putting an extra man in the box.

Tomlin blew a time out. A sneak works best when the clock is running and the distance is shorter. Could have used that time out to get into field goal range.

Great coaching? Whatever you say Jim Wexell.



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Ha Ha!
 
Coach said:
Who is watching the game? We had extra time to prepare.

Coaches won’t adjust to stop the run. They put in a FB. We use off instead of putting an extra man in the box.

Tomlin blew a time out. A sneak works best when the clock is running and the distance is shorter. Could have used that time out to get into field goal range.

Great coaching? Whatever you say Jim Wexell.



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Do you mean those adjustments that shut that **** down? Keeping the team together and focused after having THREE ints?

Even with turnovers and all those yards, they only gave up NINE points.

The jax losing streak, they have not had fournette. Announcers also said it was the first game that the DBs had all played together.
 
Steelworth said:
I'll be waiting to hear from Coach on this one.
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Refer to the fact that we lead the NFL in penalties. We only had three in this game.

Do you really agree with Wexell on all the points he made? Yes or No?

With bone heads like Thomas and Mitchell Out, we should be doing better with penalties....
 
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