Dri 2.0

[Tibs]

...an article on Dri Archer today.

“He is a good guy,” Tomlin said. “He is a smart guy. He is hard working. He has all the variables that usually produce a positive outcome. We are going to give him an opportunity to do it."

Except Vader. Vader is not willing to give him that opportunity. He's too busy digging the man's grave.

 

[slashsteel]

Every pick has a chance to miss. My concern is the process and logical analysis of looking at a player like Archer in college and somehow having him higher on your board than a player like Bryant. That really doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless you are prioritizing things completely wrong and using your team needs (or perceived team needs) to truly alter best player available and your big board a lot.

I still don't know the logic behind what they saw in Archer's college film, what they thought he would become, how he would fit into the offense or why/if they thought the special teams return game needed that much of a boost. I am really against chasing special teams yards in the draft and this regime has done it a few times. First, I don't think it works as often as you think. Second, I don't think special teams yards are that important to winning/losing football games (not nearly as much as some people think).

To this day, no one has really made a good argument to me on the logic behind the pick.

thing is it has been well discussed even his college special teams abilities was limited.....


I wonder if they simply just got Raider enamored with his 40 and thought they could slash him some looks and confuse defenses.... at least with the running and receiving ability. Problem is he is simply too small as he is a blocking liability when the play is away from him. and when the play is towards him a shoe string tackle pretty much takes him down. Too light in the pants I am afraid. (that's what she said)

 

[Vader]

“He is a good guy,” Tomlin said. “He is a smart guy. He is hard working. He has all the variables that usually produce a positive outcome. We are going to give him an opportunity to do it."

Except Vader. Vader is not willing to give him that opportunity. He's too busy digging the man's grave.

Oh bullshit. Melodramatic much? They have no choice but to give him an opportunity. They drafted him. What do you expect them to say? Why don't you go read some feel good articles about Curtis Brown? Also neither I nor you have anything to do with what the Steelers do. I'm not digging anything. I'm not involved with any of it and neither are you. But I'm sure you've agreed with every decision they've made. I'm sure you've got his bust ready for the HOF right?

 

[Superman]

Everybody knows that right? Has anybody every argued that? Ever? Nope. So what was the real point?

And you know the real point don't you...

the real point, which has been pointed out time and again and again and again and again to you is that NO ONE on this board was especially enamored with Dri. The Debbie Downers of the board were given **** just because that's what we do here. Hell, I was not enthusiastic about drafting a small RB from a small school to back up Bell. Not at all. Like I said, I wanted Watkins, or even Bryant.

That Watkins didnt do **** for Philly last year at least shows me that my pick wouldn't have contributed either. A bunch of ham-and-eggers were picked after Dri, anyway. Richard Rodgers, Crockett Gilmore and Brandon Thomas ended the third round. Who? Who? Who?

THAT, my obtuse friend, is the real point.

 

[ark steel]

the real point, which has been pointed out time and again and again and again and again to you is that NO ONE on this board was especially enamored with Dri. The Debbie Downers of the board were given **** just because that's what we do here. Hell, I was not enthusiastic about drafting a small RB from a small school to back up Bell. Not at all. Like I said, I wanted Watkins, or even Bryant.

That Watkins didnt do **** for Philly last year at least shows me that my pick wouldn't have contributed either. A bunch of ham-and-eggers were picked after Dri, anyway. Richard Rodgers, Crockett Gilmore and Brandon Thomas ended the third round. Who? Who? Who?

THAT, my obtuse friend, is the real point.

Repraesentin the CJC!!

 

[stillwright]

Every pick has a chance to miss. My concern is the process and logical analysis of looking at a player like Archer in college and somehow having him higher on your board than a player like Bryant. That really doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless you are prioritizing things completely wrong and using your team needs (or perceived team needs) to truly alter best player available and your big board a lot.

I still don't know the logic behind what they saw in Archer's college film, what they thought he would become, how he would fit into the offense or why/if they thought the special teams return game needed that much of a boost. I am really against chasing special teams yards in the draft and this regime has done it a few times. First, I don't think it works as often as you think. Second, I don't think special teams yards are that important to winning/losing football games (not nearly as much as some people think).

To this day, no one has really made a good argument to me on the logic behind the pick.

And I don't think you ever will.

 

[stillwright]

Every pick has a chance to miss. My concern is the process and logical analysis of looking at a player like Archer in college and somehow having him higher on your board than a player like Bryant. That really doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless you are prioritizing things completely wrong and using your team needs (or perceived team needs) to truly alter best player available and your big board a lot.

I still don't know the logic behind what they saw in Archer's college film, what they thought he would become, how he would fit into the offense or why/if they thought the special teams return game needed that much of a boost. I am really against chasing special teams yards in the draft and this regime has done it a few times. First, I don't think it works as often as you think. Second, I don't think special teams yards are that important to winning/losing football games (not nearly as much as some people think).

To this day, no one has really made a good argument to me on the logic behind the pick.

And I don't think you ever will.

 

[Vader]

the real point, which has been pointed out time and again and again and again and again to you is that NO ONE on this board was especially enamored with Dri. The Debbie Downers of the board were given **** just because that's what we do here. Hell, I was not enthusiastic about drafting a small RB from a small school to back up Bell. Not at all. Like I said, I wanted Watkins, or even Bryant.

That Watkins didnt do **** for Philly last year at least shows me that my pick wouldn't have contributed either. A bunch of ham-and-eggers were picked after Dri, anyway. Richard Rodgers, Crockett Gilmore and Brandon Thomas ended the third round. Who? Who? Who?

THAT, my obtuse friend, is the real point.

Exactly my arrogant friend. That is exactly right. You guys just want to start ****. But everybody wasn't against drafting him. Again, many thought he was a great pick.

 

[Superman]

many?

melodramatic

so you'd have zero problem presenting these "many" who thought he was a great pick?

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Hindsight is 20/20. And I say this in reference to myself and my thoughts on Dri. At the time, I wasn't against drafting him. I wasn't for drafting him either. I assumed that they had a plan for how to use his skill set. I was wrong about that last year and that made me start to question the pick. You just don't draft a Dri Archer in the third round without having a well thought out plan as to how you will use him. Hell, maybe they did have a plan and weren't able to put it in motion because of either 1) Dri couldn't make the jump to NFL level player quick enough or 2) circumstances kept them from it. All I know is that I was vastly underwhelmed by Dri's performance last year and didn't see too many bright spots.

Heck, even when Josh Harris was given a chance he at least produced one play that made you stand up and take notice. Even though it was called back, you saw that run and saw potential.

In any event, I stand guilty of looking at the Archer pick with mirrored, jaded glasses (20/20 vision) and being underwhelmed at this point.

 

[Wingman]

I hear archer has also looked into the movie industry during the off season. He is being considered to play the part of a fictional sleuth who solves crimes at blinding speed. The time period for this will be the classic detective story time of the thirties and the setting will be a large city on the left coast. His car will just ooze art deco styling and he will be wearing a zoot suit. So he can drive the car wood blocks will be attached to the pedals and a phone book placed on the seat. The character he will be playing will be known as inch high private eye.

 

[ark steel]

Heck, even when Josh Harris was given a chance he at least produced one play that made you stand up and take notice. Even though it was called back, you saw that run and saw potential.

You know Archer did, too, right?

 

[Vader]

many?



so you'd have zero problem presenting these "many" who thought he was a great pick?

Yes, many. Get the mods to dig the thread out. I remember what they said. I remember the comparisons with McCluster except with better speed. I remember all the talk about what great value he was because he can't be caught in the open field. I remember all the talk of him playing the slot and being a matchup nightmare. I remember all the videos and "WOW that guy is fast" talk. If you don't remember that then I can't help you. Most have changed their minds since but when he was drafted almost everyone liked the pick or at least believed he was good value until TMC rained on their parade. Enough people liked the pick that they pestered TMC and obviously dobre off the board. So "many" is a good word for how many liked the pick. But I doubt many would own up to it today.

 

[Wingman]

Yes, many. Get the mods to dig the thread out. I'm not taking time to do it. I remember what they said. I remember the comparisons with McCluster except with better speed. I remember all the talk about what great value he was because he can't be caught in the open field. I remember all the talk of him playing the slot and being a matchup nightmare. I remember all the videos and "WOW that guy is fast" talk. If you don't remember that then I can't help you. Most have changed their minds since but when he was drafted almost everyone liked the pick or at least believed he was good value until TMC rained on their parade. Enough people liked the pick that they pestered TMC and obviously dobre off the board. So "many" is a good word for how many liked the pick. But I doubt many would own up to it today.

I remember that as well. It seems that every post that did not like that pick was hit with the same few guys jumping on who ever had a differing view. It nearly made one think that they all worked from adjoining cubicles in some government agency that has the employees with lots of time on their hands.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

You know Archer did, too, right?

I know Archer had at least a couple of good plays. The one that sticks out is a pass reception. I just expect more out of a 3rd round pick than a UFA. Maybe I'm wrong to.

 

[ark steel]

I know Archer had at least a couple of good plays. The one that sticks out is a pass reception. I just expect more out of a 3rd round pick than a UFA. Maybe I'm wrong to.

I guess I don't expect the 97th pick of any draft to blow anything out of the water in their first year...

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I remember that as well. It seems that every post that did not like that pick was hit with the same few guys jumping on who ever had a differing view. It nearly made one think that they all worked from adjoining cubicles in some government agency that has the employees with lots of time on their hands.

We are the "MEN IN BLACK ... AND GOLD". Now hush before I have to use my nebulizer on you.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I guess I don't expect the 97th pick of any draft to blow anything out of the water in their first year...

I get what you're saying. All I'm saying is that I was underwhelmed with Dri's performance last year. Again, that may be no fault of his own and may just be a function of misuse. As I said, all parties involved, especially the coaching staff, needs to figure out which one it is.

I will be happy to have to change my mind on Dri. I would be ecstatic actually; because it would mean the pick wasn't wasted.

 

[Wingman]

We are the "MEN IN BLACK ... AND GOLD". Now hush before I have to use my nebulizer on you.

That could be a movie plot right there, call it revenge of the yinzers. karma your way

 

[ark steel]

I remember that as well. It seems that every post that did not like that pick was hit with the same few guys jumping on who ever had a differing view. It nearly made one think that they all worked from adjoining cubicles in some government agency that has the employees with lots of time on their hands.

People see what they want. The SNE didn't like the pick. Any one who didn't hate the pick was labeled a member of the Circle Jerk Club.

Most were, of course, just looking for some good out of the pick rather than "liking" the pick. Ignore it as much as you want. I expect nothing else.

He seems like a good character guy who works hard. I hope he makes it, even if it is not with the Steelers. I'd rather it be with us, but it it aint, it won't hurt my feelings. If he doesn't make it at all, it won't hurt my feelings. There is, probably, a long line of guys picked 97th or just after that don't make it in the NFL.

 

[Wingman]

People see what they want. The SNE didn't like the pick. Any one who didn't hate the pick was labeled a member of the Circle Jerk Club.

Most were, of course, just looking for some good out of the pick rather than "liking" the pick. Ignore it as much as you want. I expect nothing else.

He seems like a good character guy who works hard. I hope he makes it, even if it is not with the Steelers. I'd rather it be with us, but it it aint, it won't hurt my feelings. If he doesn't make it at all, it won't hurt my feelings. There is, probably, a long line of guys picked 97th or just after that don't make it in the NFL.

There was lots of sniping

 

[antdrewjosh]

We were jumping up and down with glee for the pick or were we trying to find some optimism for the pick .The argument didn't start until some Idiot said there wasn't a chance in hell that he make it out training camp. That's when the comparisons began with us trying to be optimistic about his chances similar to players of his stature. The argument wasn't about Archer the argument was about guys telling other guys they were STUPID for thinking he could turn into something. Like how could we go against their obvious higher intellect. We have spoken case closed.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

There was lots of sniping

If I remember correctly, Idiot started most of the sniping and people were defending themselves from his particular brand of crap ... "nut huggers", "circle jerk club" etc. etc. etc.

 

[ark steel]

There was lots of sniping

Sure, bit it wasn't one sided.

 

[Tibs]

I remember the comparisons with McCluster except with better speed. I remember all the talk about what great value he was because he can't be caught in the open field. I remember all the talk of him playing the slot and being a matchup nightmare.

And ALL of that is yet to be determined. He got off to a slow start, as do most rookies, so what? How can you be so sure he won't be a McCluster with better speed? How do you know he won't have multiple long TD's where he's not caught in the open field? How do you know he won't turn out to be a great value pick? How do you know he won't line up in the slot and be a matchup nightmare?

The kid is going on his second year, why wouldn't you want to find out what type of player he is, along with the rest of us? Why do you - and others - insist you have all the answers before the guy's had a couple of years under his belt?

This is the fundamental point that you are having an incredibly difficult time understanding. Or you understand perfectly and just enjoy rooting against certain players. All the power to you.