Covid Vaccine
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Such a shame. Placed his faith in the vaccines. Died.
We deserve better.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Tributes have poured in for Il Divo star Carlos Marin who has died in hospital in Manchester following a battle with coronavirus, despite being vaccinated.
Carlos, 53, had fallen ill on December 7, tested positive for Covid shortly afterwards, and was taken to Manchester Royal Infirmary last week, his agent told media in his home country of Spain. He was subsequently put into a medically induced coma and hooked up to breathing machines, though it is unclear exactly when that happened.
'Yesterday the singer wasn't answering his messages and he's now in intensive care and intubated. [His] agent has also told us Carlos was vaccinated against Covid in Mexico,' Spanish news programme Corazon Corazon reported, without saying how long ago Carlos was jabbed, how many shots he was given, or what vaccine he received.
We deserve better.
Carlos Marín dies from Covid aged 53 in Manchester hospital
The Spanish singer, 53, fell ill with the virus on December 7 and was later placed in a medically induced coma at the Manchester Royal Hospital.
Tributes have poured in for Il Divo star Carlos Marin who has died in hospital in Manchester following a battle with coronavirus, despite being vaccinated.
Carlos, 53, had fallen ill on December 7, tested positive for Covid shortly afterwards, and was taken to Manchester Royal Infirmary last week, his agent told media in his home country of Spain. He was subsequently put into a medically induced coma and hooked up to breathing machines, though it is unclear exactly when that happened.
'Yesterday the singer wasn't answering his messages and he's now in intensive care and intubated. [His] agent has also told us Carlos was vaccinated against Covid in Mexico,' Spanish news programme Corazon Corazon reported, without saying how long ago Carlos was jabbed, how many shots he was given, or what vaccine he received.
Thank you South Africa for promoting some common sense.
www.news24.com
More people had developed an immunity to Covid-19, MAC said.
It said:
"We have learned more about the manner in which Covid-19 is spread, and also now have to contend with variants of concern whose epidemiology differs from that of the ancestral strains of SARS-CoV-2.
"Crucially, it appears that efforts to eliminate and/or contain the virus are not likely to be successful. Therefore, it is critical that the role of containment efforts like quarantine and contact tracing is re-evaluated."
The committee said testing was highly skewed toward detecting symptomatic cases, while the vast majority of cases are asymptomatic and go undetected.
"In addition, among the small proportion of symptomatic cases, testing is far from universal, since patients may not seek testing when their symptoms are mild and when testing would be burdensome and expensive. Furthermore, the SARS-CoV-2 test sensitivity is suboptimal, sometimes leading to false negative results.
"The inability of the current testing strategy to identify the bulk of cases is illustrated by the high SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity rates seen across multiple provinces in serosurveys, implying that only a fraction of cases (perhaps one in 10, or even less) are ever diagnosed."
It added:
According to the MAC, quarantining has a substantial economic and social burden and impacts significantly on the depleting staffing levels at healthcare facilities, and other front line workers, which could threaten the integrity of these institutions.
It also reduces economic and governmental activities due to high levels of employees who have to leave their work and quarantine for at least 10 days.
"On an individual level, the consequences of prolonged quarantining include loss of income, loss of employment, and loss of schooling time. We propose that quarantining be discontinued with immediate effect for contacts of cases of Covid-19. This applies equally to vaccinated and non-vaccinated contacts. No testing for Covid-19 is required irrespective of the exposure risk, unless the contact becomes symptomatic. We further propose that contact tracing be stopped," it said.
Phaahla announced on Thursday that South Africa will remain on adjusted Level 1 lockdown restrictions during the festive season following the identification of a new Covid-19 variant named Omicron.
Covid-19: Stop tracing and quarantining of contacts, says Ministerial Advisory Committee | News24
The Covid-19 Ministerial Advisory Committee has asked government to do away with tracing and quarantining of contacts.
- MAC says the tracing and quarantining of contacts of Covid-19 cases is no longer necessary.
- In a memo to Health Minister Joe Phaahla, it said the proportion of people with immunity to Covid-19 had risen substantially.
- It added that quarantining of contacts was no longer viable in the current social and economic climate.
More people had developed an immunity to Covid-19, MAC said.
It said:
"We have learned more about the manner in which Covid-19 is spread, and also now have to contend with variants of concern whose epidemiology differs from that of the ancestral strains of SARS-CoV-2.
"Crucially, it appears that efforts to eliminate and/or contain the virus are not likely to be successful. Therefore, it is critical that the role of containment efforts like quarantine and contact tracing is re-evaluated."
The committee said testing was highly skewed toward detecting symptomatic cases, while the vast majority of cases are asymptomatic and go undetected.
"In addition, among the small proportion of symptomatic cases, testing is far from universal, since patients may not seek testing when their symptoms are mild and when testing would be burdensome and expensive. Furthermore, the SARS-CoV-2 test sensitivity is suboptimal, sometimes leading to false negative results.
"The inability of the current testing strategy to identify the bulk of cases is illustrated by the high SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity rates seen across multiple provinces in serosurveys, implying that only a fraction of cases (perhaps one in 10, or even less) are ever diagnosed."
It added:
According to the MAC, quarantining has a substantial economic and social burden and impacts significantly on the depleting staffing levels at healthcare facilities, and other front line workers, which could threaten the integrity of these institutions.
It also reduces economic and governmental activities due to high levels of employees who have to leave their work and quarantine for at least 10 days.
"On an individual level, the consequences of prolonged quarantining include loss of income, loss of employment, and loss of schooling time. We propose that quarantining be discontinued with immediate effect for contacts of cases of Covid-19. This applies equally to vaccinated and non-vaccinated contacts. No testing for Covid-19 is required irrespective of the exposure risk, unless the contact becomes symptomatic. We further propose that contact tracing be stopped," it said.
Phaahla announced on Thursday that South Africa will remain on adjusted Level 1 lockdown restrictions during the festive season following the identification of a new Covid-19 variant named Omicron.
Isn't this convenient. President ShitsHisPants and the Assministration are switching tactics. Will no longer talk about "ending the pandemic" - messaging he ran on.
Only the rational last year prior to the election and after realized he could never make this promise. What's scary is people believed he could. We know a few here.
At least they are finally admitting it.
www.cnn.com
Only the rational last year prior to the election and after realized he could never make this promise. What's scary is people believed he could. We know a few here.
At least they are finally admitting it.
Biden admin eyes a potentially stark shift in messaging around ending the pandemic
President Joe Biden's top health officials came to an afternoon briefing at the White House Thursday with a warning -- and a request.
OK this information is from the country that brought you the Kung Flu. So take it for what it's worth, butttttttttt, Chinese researchers show:
www.studyfinds.org
BEIJING, China — Four in 10 COVID-19 patients are asymptomatic carriers of the virus responsible for over 800,000 deaths in the United States, a new study warns. Researchers from China say a global study of almost 30 million people found “silent” cases of the virus are twice as prevalent than previous estimates feared.
The results show 40.5 percent of the confirmed cases of the illness are among people who show no symptoms of the infection at all. Rates rose among certain groups including pregnant women (54%), air and cruise travelers (53%), and care home residents or staff (48%).
“The high percentage of asymptomatic infections highlights the potential transmission risk of asymptomatic infections in communities,” corresponding author Professor Min Liu of Peking University writes in the journal JAMA Network Open.
The data shows 4.5 percent of undiagnosed care home residents or staff had the coronavirus without displaying symptoms. Typical signs of infection include fever, cough, loss of taste or smell, fatigue, and shortness of breath. The findings also apply to over one in 50 pregnant women and air or cruise travelers.
'Silent' COVID twice as prevalent as feared: 4 in 10 patients have no symptoms, study warns
A global study of almost 30 million people found "silent" cases of COVID-19 are twice as prevalent than previous estimates feared.
www.studyfinds.org
BEIJING, China — Four in 10 COVID-19 patients are asymptomatic carriers of the virus responsible for over 800,000 deaths in the United States, a new study warns. Researchers from China say a global study of almost 30 million people found “silent” cases of the virus are twice as prevalent than previous estimates feared.
The results show 40.5 percent of the confirmed cases of the illness are among people who show no symptoms of the infection at all. Rates rose among certain groups including pregnant women (54%), air and cruise travelers (53%), and care home residents or staff (48%).
“The high percentage of asymptomatic infections highlights the potential transmission risk of asymptomatic infections in communities,” corresponding author Professor Min Liu of Peking University writes in the journal JAMA Network Open.
The data shows 4.5 percent of undiagnosed care home residents or staff had the coronavirus without displaying symptoms. Typical signs of infection include fever, cough, loss of taste or smell, fatigue, and shortness of breath. The findings also apply to over one in 50 pregnant women and air or cruise travelers.
Brilliant. SMDH. What a perfect way to continue the spread.
The NFL eliminated weekly Covid-19 testing for vaccinated players who are asymptomatic, according to new protocols agreed upon by the league and the players’ union, a move that reverses its past pandemic practice in a bid to keep players from being sidelined while not feeling sick.
The idea of decreasing, not increasing, testing arose as the league suffered through a brutal round of Covid outbreaks. More than 100 players tested positive this week, and the league on Friday postponed three games, to Monday and Tuesday, hoping that decimated team rosters can be stabilized.
“We’re entering a very different phase of this pandemic and in some way battling a very new disease,” Dr. Allen Sills, the NFL’s chief medical officer, said after the new rules were agreed upon. “We’re trying to test smarter and test in a more strategic fashion.”
I.e., we are going to ignore the vaccinated, who obviously get and transmit Covid as evidenced by the NFL's skyrocketing cases. We are going to ignore THEIR Covid, not test them, even though they catch and spread it, and more strategically focus on....what? The 8% of the league not vaccinated who are not driving the NFL's Covid outbreak as evidenced by the vast # of Covid-positive players/coaches?
And people fall for and believe in this ****.
The NFL eliminated weekly Covid-19 testing for vaccinated players who are asymptomatic, according to new protocols agreed upon by the league and the players’ union, a move that reverses its past pandemic practice in a bid to keep players from being sidelined while not feeling sick.
The idea of decreasing, not increasing, testing arose as the league suffered through a brutal round of Covid outbreaks. More than 100 players tested positive this week, and the league on Friday postponed three games, to Monday and Tuesday, hoping that decimated team rosters can be stabilized.
“We’re entering a very different phase of this pandemic and in some way battling a very new disease,” Dr. Allen Sills, the NFL’s chief medical officer, said after the new rules were agreed upon. “We’re trying to test smarter and test in a more strategic fashion.”
I.e., we are going to ignore the vaccinated, who obviously get and transmit Covid as evidenced by the NFL's skyrocketing cases. We are going to ignore THEIR Covid, not test them, even though they catch and spread it, and more strategically focus on....what? The 8% of the league not vaccinated who are not driving the NFL's Covid outbreak as evidenced by the vast # of Covid-positive players/coaches?
And people fall for and believe in this ****.
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And people believed Trump would and could make Mexico pay for the wall. Just proves there's a lot of stupid people in America.
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So I shouldn’t have thought that “undying love for government” was regarding Covid Vaccine guidance… in the COVID VACCINE thread?
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Whew.....on
Nail on the Head? More like Crazy in the Head.
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So you support mandates when they are for testing healthy, asymptotic, vaccinated professional athletes?
Again, you make ZERO sense.
I mean I just looked up my old responses… and I feel like they still all track… look tgere was nothing wrong with speeding up a vaccine at the timeframes they did it, as I often point out this has been done in multiple pandemics… but tgey were all vaccines based off of a standard vaccine methodology… even the much discussed polio vaccine was based on a preexisting methodology… this is the first time a totally novel process is in play with no long term data
Look lets not pretend that if this wasn’t a pandemic and these tgree vaccines were tested under the cdc/fda standards tgey would be out of PHASE 1 clinical trials yet… in fact with the issues they show and inability to stop transmission they would have failed this step…
And again as a couple month stop gap to the elderly and severely at risk it was a good plan to rush something out…
But the lack of anything more standard behind it is troubling… other countries were using traditional vaccine methods within a month or so of our vaccine release
When the vaccine was announced I and a lot of people still hesitant said we’d take a wait and see approach to them..
Well i waited and I saw that I didn’t want it… most of us are simply waiting for an alternative that gets stalled over easily rectified bullshit…
And i know you two are simply trolling the conservatives here but i find the lack of understanding of science from people on both sides to be staggering… I even occasionally agree with some of your math points… but mostly everyone flips things to fit their perspective.
I cant wait until people start pointing out how all of the nfls cases going forward will be unvaccinated players, since tgey still have to be tested daily but the unvaccinated don’t… what a croc of ****
Flog: "2+2=2"No, your numbers you have posted have changed wildly on cases and deaths.
Prove me wrong.
And you keep ignoring the following? I wonder....why?
"There has been a SIGNIFICANT uptick in breakthrough infections, hospitalizations, and deaths...those who are already vaccinated are again at risk" - Dr. Anthony Fraudci.
people with working IQs: the ****?
Flog: "yeah, see, 2 is a number and it is in the very simple mathematic equation twice, so we count it twice. thus, two is the final, solid answer."
NHL is 100% vaccinated. By your admission, they can now forego all testing.
NHL suspends games with cross-border travel
The NHL has suspended games involving cross-border travel until after the Christmas break because of COVID-19 concerns.
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IDGAF what testing they do or don’t do, that’s their business, Karen.NHL is 100% vaccinated. By your admission, they can now forego all testing.
NHL suspends games with cross-border travel
The NHL has suspended games involving cross-border travel until after the Christmas break because of COVID-19 concerns.
those big tears in your eyes made you completely miss the point. again. for the 500th+ time in this thread.
you were making arguments, but then lost your footing and ...
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Oh, like you had a point.
Yes a lot of people did.
You still LITERALLY cannot interpret what was said. And it was simple. I know you are allergic to the back button, but....try it.
Disprove what she said.
the back button is that first button in Firefox on the far left (your preferred side of the browser anyway, since it doesnt show history unless you know how to make that work) and above the "Become a Contributor" button (which allows you to stop being a free-loading troll and become just a regular troll).
Your inability to grasp them doesn't mean they aren't there.
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If it went ahead, Mexico ultimately would have paid for the wall. We give Mexico money. Trump’s plan was to simply hold back some of those payments to cover the cost.