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Covid Vaccine

You'd think for this reason alone the American right would fully support vaccinations and Covid mitigation policy, to protect as many lives as possible.

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Census data: US is diversifying, white population shrinking

No racial or ethnic group dominates for those under age 18, and white people declined in numbers for the first time on record in the overall U.S. population as the Hispanic and Asian populations boomed this past decade, according to the 2020 census data.
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SteelerInLebanon said:
Thank you, I appreciate it.

Now answer the question, lol.
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I already did. Not interested in getting into a pissing contest over statistics. I see this as a clear & present threat, you don't. I respect your opinion, but disagree.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
The VAERS reports have to be taken with a serious grain of salt. They are not verified to have anything to do with the vaccine and never before has there been this much scrutiny and publicity about a vaccine that could be coloring the reporting of issues. I am personally on the fence about what to call it a vaccine or a treatment. I also am not sold on the VAERS numbers as any kind of gospel either way. The VAERS numbers are just like the overall death numbers, most likely seriously inflated by improperly looking at the causality so let's not be hypocrites like the other side seems to be.
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I will doubt the VAERS numbers when given reason to. At this point I don’t.
 
Troglodyte said:
DiD YOU READ WHAT THEY DISAGREED WITH? The lifting of mask mandates for vaccinated people as an example. You obviously disagree with the doctors and nurses that disagree with the CDC. Could you be any more pointless?
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I read the whole article. Clearly, you did not:

  • Trust in the CDC and FDA has decreased dramatically during the COVID-19 pandemic among health care professionals, according to a new WebMD/Medscape poll.
  • 77% said their trust in the CDC has decreased since the start of the pandemic
  • 51% said their trust in the FDA has decreased
  • 450 U.S. doctors surveyed in the same time period, 77% said their trust in the CDC has decreased
  • and 48% said their trust in the FDA has decreased.
  • Health care professionals have been critical of these agencies’ decisions during the pandemic, with some concerned that their work has been politicized.
  • Among doctors, 31% said they trust the CDC in general, compared to 25% of nurses
  • 37% of doctors, and 27% of nurses said they trust the FDA in general.
  • many health care professionals said they disagreed with the CDC's and FDA’s actions on COVID-19.
  • About half of both doctors and nurses said they disagreed with the FDA’s overall decision-making during the pandemic
  • Nearly 60% of doctors and 65% of nurses said they disagreed with the CDC’s overall pandemic guidance
Masks were listed but as an example.

OVERALL pandemic guidance is about as damning as you can get.

You're wrong in your interpretation of the article and the facts, again.

Our medical community has little faith in the CDC. Sorry it hurts you.
 
Tibs said:
Tim, you're about smart as a mossy rock. The notion 'trust is decreasing' in something is not equal to 'not' trusting something. Boy, you sure ran with that one article to reach a wildly inaccurate conclusion. Since you're constantly prone to exaggeration and embelishment, we'll notch it up to you working hard upholding your brand.
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Dipshit. You may try reading the article instead of trying to spin it by reading just the first paragraph. This is a damnation against the CDC and the FDA, and you're trying to save face for them. Pretty pathetic, to be honest, but that's you.

Among doctors, 31% said they trust the CDC in general, compared to 25% of nurses (not decreasing trust). 69% of physicians do NOT trust the CDC.

In addition to a lack of trust (not a decreasing trust), many health care professionals said they disagreed with the CDC's and FDA’s actions on COVID-19.

About half of both doctors and nurses said they disagreed with the FDA’s overall decision-making during the pandemic.

Nearly 60% of doctors and 65% of nurses said they disagreed with the CDC’s overall pandemic guidance.

What's your next spin, vile Komrade?
 
Punxsutawney said:
Vaccine requirements and mandates are nothing new. One would think this was a revolutionary concept by the way it is talked about by certain people.
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Yes, it absolutely is. These types of vaccine mandates are unheard of. I'll ask you the same question I have asked others. Name a time in your life in order to go into an Applebees or a rock concert you were asked to provide visual proof of any form of vaccination.

I'll wait.
 
My wife's best friend who lives in California, just got hospitalized for covid.... she's was fully vaccinated 2 months ago.
 
Tibs said:
You'd think for this reason alone the American right would fully support vaccinations and Covid mitigation policy, to protect as many lives as possible.

apnews.com

Census data: US is diversifying, white population shrinking

No racial or ethnic group dominates for those under age 18, and white people declined in numbers for the first time on record in the overall U.S. population as the Hispanic and Asian populations boomed this past decade, according to the 2020 census data.
apnews.com apnews.com
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Are you falsely trying to say most white Americans are racist? Otherwise not sure of your point. We would fully support vaccination if and when it is formally approved and shown to actually be effective. This is coming from someone vaccinated. Of course there will always be the lunatic truly anti-vaxers but that isn't what you are seeing right now and it is world wide not just in the US.
 
Tibs said:
I already did. Not interested in getting into a pissing contest over statistics. I see this as a clear & present threat, you don't. I respect your opinion, but disagree.
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Sure it is a danger, but not one that is any more statistically relevant than car accidents unless you have a very clear susceptibility. Even without vaccines the odds of you dying from this are less than the chances you die driving to work. It is ONLY worse than the flu because of its, possibly engineered, ability to spread. Otherwise it would just be another typical seasonal respiratory virus and it is going to be a seasonal respiratory virus from here on out. Are you truly going to live your life in a panic seceding control of your life and liberties to the government? I am all for getting the vaccines personally but I do respect the very serious reasons to question there use for children and do not support mandates for it in it's current form. I am and have been a supporter of vaccine requirements for well established vaccines like polio and others. I am completely against mask mandates as the have illogically used and applied with ne regard for actual science based on the type and way masks are used. They just don't work period the way people think they do. That and people are pigs and don't remotely handle or wear them right.
 
Troglodyte said:
The odds are much higher than being in a fatal car accident, isn’t it strange we don’t have people protesting seatbelt laws?
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People still do die in automobile accidents, it's tragic and avoidable, we simply need to ban automobiles.

While we're at it, someone in the US of A dies every 24 seconds from coronary heart disease, down with the Big Mac.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
People still do die in automobile accidents, it's tragic and avoidable, we simply need to ban automobiles.

While we're at it, someone in the US of A dies every 24 seconds from coronary heart disease, down with the Big Mac.
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My son is radically down with the destroying McDonalds thing. Even though he admits to eating there. He is a localist Capitalist for lack of a better explanation. His views are all over the place. Very Anti global corporation, support localism in the extreme. A bit nationalistic but has more left wing views on certain things as well. I can't say he has brainwashed completely in college he researches relentlessly for a 21 year old, in between working out school, hopefully, and smoking pot with his girlfriend while practicing guitar.
 
DBS1970 said:
I will doubt the VAERS numbers when given reason to. At this point I don’t.
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Also I think the bad reactions are underreported. I've mentioned what happened to my sister from the vaccine and she didn't know anything about the VAERS site until I told her.
 
Tibs said:
I don't give a **** what the odds are. A thousand people are dying a week in Florida alone. In August of 2021! The odds of *anything* happening to you in a country of 328+ million people will seem small by comparison. You can feel smug and take the bird's eye view all you want. This pandemic is once again raging out of control in the US thanks to all the anti-mask and anti-vaccine bullshit spread by the unhinged, looney right. We see it play out on this board, day after day. Your stats on probability mean jack ****. Sorry, it's a strawman argument, Lebanon.

Look at what's happening in America since around June:

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Odds mean EVERYTHING! To ignore the odds is as stupid as anything I have ever heard from you. Funny that this exact thing is happening all over the world Tibs. Why don't you virtue signal your concern for other COuntries doing far worse with deaths than we are. New cases means that the vaccines don't work as EVERYONE I know who has gotten Covid recently has been vaccinated. None of them have had any serious issues including my mother thankfully. Those who aren't vaccinated are not dying much either. If my odds are not higher from dying from this than they are of driving a car daily then what the **** is the panic about? This isn't going away, it never was despite bullshit totally unscientific claims form the left. China gave us this sit and the genie isn't going back in the bottle. Luckily it isn't any more deadly odds than the flu when you get it under 60. MAsks don't do anything to stop it unless they are the right type and worn and handled correctly and no mandate has ever called for that. It is purely virtue signaling giving false impressions of safety to people. It doesn't change the odds at all. The vaccines do overall but masks not a bit. The vaccines have been proven to not do a damn thing to stop the spread only mitigate the outcome which was already unlikely to kill 99.4 or higher. You don't destroy life, liberty and happiness because a virus that is less likely to kill you than driving to work unless you have another agenda entirely.
 
Troglodyte said:
Yeah, your really don’t get odds, do you? Show your math on the odds.
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Putting together data from multiple countries, doctors now estimate that the IFR for COVID is 0.68%. That means that about 1 in every 150 people who catch COVID die from it. However, younger people are at lower risk of dying and older people are at much higher risk. Another study put together data from around the world and found that the IFR is very low for children and younger adults (2 in 100,000 at age 10, and 10 in 100,000 at age 25). But the IFR increases to 4 in 1,000 at age 55 (0.4%), 14 in 1,000 at age 65 (1.4%), 46 in 1,000 at age 75 (4.6%), and 150, in 1,000 at age 85 (15%).

The odds of dying in a car crash are one in 107. Roughly speaking, you have a less than 1% chance of dying in a car crash during your daily
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
I read the whole article. Clearly, you did not:

  • Trust in the CDC and FDA has decreased dramatically during the COVID-19 pandemic among health care professionals, according to a new WebMD/Medscape poll.
  • 77% said their trust in the CDC has decreased since the start of the pandemic
  • 51% said their trust in the FDA has decreased
  • 450 U.S. doctors surveyed in the same time period, 77% said their trust in the CDC has decreased
  • and 48% said their trust in the FDA has decreased.
  • Health care professionals have been critical of these agencies’ decisions during the pandemic, with some concerned that their work has been politicized.
  • Among doctors, 31% said they trust the CDC in general, compared to 25% of nurses
  • 37% of doctors, and 27% of nurses said they trust the FDA in general.
  • many health care professionals said they disagreed with the CDC's and FDA’s actions on COVID-19.
  • About half of both doctors and nurses said they disagreed with the FDA’s overall decision-making during the pandemic
  • Nearly 60% of doctors and 65% of nurses said they disagreed with the CDC’s overall pandemic guidance
Masks were listed but as an example.

OVERALL pandemic guidance is about as damning as you can get.

You're wrong in your interpretation of the article and the facts, again.

Our medical community has little faith in the CDC. Sorry it hurts you.
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The example used suggests that the medical community thinks the CDC’s guidance wasn’t strict enough which is the last thing you agree with.

Sorry you made a looney *** of yourself. Again. You’re really trying too hard.
 
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SteelerInLebanon said:
Odds mean EVERYTHING!
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The odds haven't stacked up too well for the 621K folks who've perished thus far from Covid in America, or the 4.35M who've died worldwide.

Covid has taken more American lives than lost during all our wars combined.

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Seems getting a free vaccine & abiding by some basic mitigation measures isn't asking too much of folks, to help end this misery. Evidently that's not the case.
 
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