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Covid Vaccine

madinsomniac said:
Read that actual scientific paper i posted pages back for an explanation of all the things about mrna this cheery pro mrna doesn’t get into… it can (and has in mice ) cause genetic issues that are passed down … that isn’t a conspiracy or misinformation… thats been seen in previous experiments with the mrna therapy they have been trying to crack for a while now… also note the section where they talk about how the data showed three separate fragments needed to be injected to reach the type of immunity that you see in natural virus based vaccines or post illness immunity … yet for some reason they only used one and still have not explained why…
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They didn't explain why because they knew one change was pushing it. mRNA vaccines goes into the cell proper and prompts the cell to make spike proteins which creates an immune response. It is a type of gene therapy because it uses genetic information messenger ribonucleic acid. They were worried that to many codes would be difficult to trace in the case something went wrong.
 
Thats the disconnect here… that people should be forced into it or not…
Vader said:
They didn't explain why because they knew one change was pushing it. mRNA vaccines goes into the cell proper and prompts the cell to make spike proteins which creates an immune response. It is a type of gene therapy because it uses genetic information messenger ribonucleic acid. They were worried that to many codes would be difficult to trace in the case something went wrong.
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nonetheless that assured it to be less effective vs mutations… so again if that was the route they wanted to go at first for tge very susceptible great, but they should never have been the end all plan for vaccines with how absolutely unknown the long term efficiency and effects are…

they are literally talking about sending the more tried and true second generation vaccines overseas and sticking with these three flawed ones… hell they want a pfizer third shot to be administered to everyone now…you know the one thats least effective vs the variants it’s feeling more and more like a money grab now

Just move on to traditional vaccines… they are ready, show better numbers, and people won’t be hesitant about getting them
 
Punxsutawney said:
With that being the case, the views of the 76% of PhDs who are not afraid to get jabbed carry no weight with you?

A big problem I see with these discussions is that everyone is just extrapolating what they want from every piece of data in order to reinforce their preconceived views on COVID and the vaccines.

Personally, I do not pretend to have enough of an understanding of medicine or biology to have a valid opinion on the vaccines.

I acknowledge that I need to yield to medical professionals on the issue, for better or worse.

My PCP, who I trust, told me in March they I'd be crazy to not get vaccinated, so I did.
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You understand that most PhD's are not scientists right?
 
Tibs said:
Maybe this would help get the message across.

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"Get the ******* vaccine"? Like a good little useful idiot with absolutely no data to back it up? Yeah, that magically changed my mind. Like Mad has been saying (as well as many of us have), if it's the traditional method that doesn't use mRNA, I'll be okay with that.

Otherwise, not putting that **** into my body. But you do you, you brainless, freeloading commie.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I got my poke, **** the masks that are totally worthless, even according to the Biden Administration. THEY DON'T WORK!
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Seriously if they are acknowledging that the virus is aerosol transmitted then the math says that masks and six foot social distancing indoors is utterly useless… and ive worn a mask this whole pandemic …. Thats just basic reality… yeah masks will reduce large respiratory droplets, but with aerosol spread viruses that is virtually irrelevant in most cases…
 
If this is true. Then that's another big fat **** you to all of the American fools getting played by these clowns.
 

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Tibs said:
*Critical Thinkers* on this chart > laying in ER wards intubated, struggling to breathe, fighting for their lives, or sadly, already dead. 😥
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99% of us are already dead. 97% of people that get covid are usually dead within 5 days of infection. I would say in about 6 to 8 months, all unvaxxed will be dead, leaving the rest of the world with nothing to worry about.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Why do the overwhelming # of physicians and nurses no longer trust the CDC and their guidance?
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Oh, really? You and they must find it especially frustrating that hospitals and doctors offices still require masks.

The World According to TIm.
 
DBS1970 said:
You understand that most PhD's are not scientists right?
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I do not know the numbers or the areas of speciality of the PhDs surveyed by Carnegie Mellon.

However, many PhDs are scientists in some field, or at the very least have a general understanding of the scientific method and how to interpret data and make decisions based on it.

Are you assuming that the 24% of vaccine hesitant PhDs are exclusively or mostly in biology-related fields?

It's possible, but given all the doctors and public health officials who strongly advocate the vaccines, I tend to doubt they would if any significant number of PhD-educated scientist did not.

Regardless, it gets back to what I was referring to when it comes to confirmation biases and how they affect how people interpret things like the Carnegie Mellon study.

As I said, I'll yield to the opinion of the vast majority of those in the medical field on the issue.

If that's the hill I end up dying or growing a lizard tail on, so be it.
 
DBS1970 said:
Yeah you can call it strawberry sarsaparilla if you want to but I still know sewer water when I see it.
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“Science bad!”

You can’t begin to argue with anything in that article. You heard some misinformation that mRNA was gene therapy and accepted it as fact because it supports your ideology. Prove me wrong.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Why do the overwhelming # of physicians and nurses no longer trust the CDC and their guidance?
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What an asinine comment. On par with your other posts, so nothing new or shocking.
 
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Troglodyte said:
“Science bad!”

You can’t begin to argue with anything in that article. You heard some misinformation that mRNA was gene therapy and accepted it as fact because it supports your ideology. Prove me wrong.
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Yeah no.

The article you posted was not a scientific paper. It was a puff piece article that is essentially propaganda.
 
Tibs said:
*Critical Thinkers* on this chart > laying in ER wards intubated, struggling to breathe, fighting for their lives, or sadly, already dead. 😥
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Tiborat,

I have had the Wuhan virus. It was like a bad chest cold. Again unless you are a giant fat **** who is a heavy smoker and has a compromised immune system or you are over 90 the disease has a .03% chance of killing you. It is not a doomsday plague.
 
Punxsutawney said:
I do not know the numbers or the areas of speciality of the PhDs surveyed by Carnegie Mellon.

However, many PhDs are scientists in some field, or at the very least have a general understanding of the scientific method and how to interpret data and make decisions based on it.

Are you assuming that the 24% of vaccine hesitant PhDs are exclusively or mostly in biology-related fields?

It's possible, but given all the doctors and public health officials who strongly advocate the vaccines, I tend to doubt they would if any significant number of PhD-educated scientist did not.

Regardless, it gets back to what I was referring to when it comes to confirmation biases and how they affect how people interpret things like the Carnegie Mellon study.

As I said, I'll yield to the opinion of the vast majority of those in the medical field on the issue.

If that's the hill I end up dying or growing a lizard tail on, so be it.
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If you want to take an experimental vaccinego “vaccine” that is really an unproved gene therapy go right ahead. But don’t try to use a virus with a .03% chance of mortality to push Tyranny on the rest of us.
 
Tibs said:
*Critical Thinkers* on this chart > laying in ER wards intubated, struggling to breathe, fighting for their lives, or sadly, already dead. 😥
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Tibs, what are the odds of that happening for the unvaccinated? Seriously, give me the odds. Then we will discuss this.
 
Tibs said:
*Critical Thinkers* on this chart > laying in ER wards intubated, struggling to breathe, fighting for their lives, or sadly, already dead. 😥
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Yet so many unvaccinated are able to find their way here and make you their ***** on a daily basis.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Tibs, what are the odds of that happening for the unvaccinated? Seriously, give me the odds. Then we will discuss this.
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Why not ask Ron DeSantis that same question. Florida: 151,415 coronavirus cases & 1,071 coronavirus deaths just last week(!), about 62 children admitted to hospital a day, 1 out of every 6 infections & 1 out of every 5 hospitalizations in the U.S.

Or look at US hospitalization rates for children.



Or the rise in Covid deaths across the US. Again, we were supposed to be done with this pandemic by now.




Go ahead and tell me everything is A-Ok. The banter on this board is beyond insulting, really is. I don't know who you're all trying to fool, besides yourselves.
 
Tibs said:
Why not ask Ron DeSantis that same question. Florida: 151,415 coronavirus cases & 1,071 coronavirus deaths just last week(!), about 62 children admitted to hospital a day, 1 out of every 6 infections & 1 out of every 5 hospitalizations in the U.S.

Or look at US hospitalization rates for children.



Go ahead and tell me everything is A-Ok. The banter on this board is beyond insulting, really is. I don't know who you're all trying to fool, besides yourselves.
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Stop avoiding the question Tibs, what are the odds?
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Stop avoiding the question Tibs, what are the odds?
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I don't give a **** what the odds are. A thousand people are dying a week in Florida alone. In August of 2021! The odds of *anything* happening to you in a country of 328+ million people will seem small by comparison. You can feel smug and take the bird's eye view all you want. This pandemic is once again raging out of control in the US thanks to all the anti-mask and anti-vaccine bullshit spread by the unhinged, looney right. We see it play out on this board, day after day. Your stats on probability mean jack ****. Sorry, it's a strawman argument, Lebanon.

Look at what's happening in America since around June:

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