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Covid Vaccine

Let's stick to the simple facts, as opposed to going down every ******* rabbit hole in search of a random case or outlier.



Okay. The risk of myocarditis is real, but I accept the proposition in the tweet you post.

What about those with natural immunity? Should they be FORCED to take a vaccine they DON'T NEED and run the risk of the side-effects, mainly myocarditis (an inflammation of the heart)?

If so, please explain.
 
Okay. The risk of myocarditis is real, but I accept the proposition in the tweet you post.

What about those with natural immunity? Should they be FORCED to take a vaccine they DON'T NEED and run the risk of the side-effects, mainly myocarditis (an inflammation of the heart)?

If so, please explain.
well, that is what it sounds like they are trying to push onto the general populace.
 
This thread is approaching the level of insanity, so I will attempt to inject some level of sense into this.

Trog, I know you are very, very busy, but perhaps you can indulge me by answering just one simple question, realizing that you ONLY have just shy of 9,000 posts.

Should EVERYONE be required to get the vaccine? Yes or No will suffice. Thank you in advance.
Depends on your definition of “required”. Legally? No, and it’ll never happen. As far a mandates for privileges such as jobs and advanced education? Yes. It’s no different than any other vaccine requirement.
 
Depends on your definition of “required”. Legally? No, and it’ll never happen. As far a mandates for privileges such as jobs and advanced education? Yes. It’s no different than any other vaccine requirement.
ah, so these are now privileges. not rights.
supporting yourself and your family through the exchange of time and labor for pay is a privilege.
educating yourself so you can exchange time and labor for pay is a privilege.

that really explains a lot of your alleged "thinking"
 
Floggy calling the Vermont Department of Health nonsense. It's on record folks. Denies science. Government-provided data. For ideology.

You claim their cases are coming from kids. The state disagrees with you: Rates of COVID-19 are highest among Vermonters 20-29 years old with a rate of 761.5 per 10K - or an 8% infection rate.

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Your own story says only 2 kids were hospitalized. TWO lol.

Their hospitals are overflowing.

Who's filling them tard?

LMAO, this is too easy.

"The vaccines work!" /Floggy
How many of the new cases are vaccinated, Tim? Despite its high vaccination rate, Vermont still has 195,000 unvaccinated. The vast majority of 170 new cases/day they are seeing daily could very well be unvaccinated.
 
Let's stick to the simple facts, as opposed to going down every ******* rabbit hole in search of a random case or outlier.


Adverse side effects are of such little concern that people can get the flu vaccine and the Covid booster at the same time. So if there are any side effects, they won’t know which vaccine was the possible cause.
 
ah, so these are now privileges. not rights.
supporting yourself and your family through the exchange of time and labor for pay is a privilege.
educating yourself so you can exchange time and labor for pay is a privilege.

that really explains a lot of your alleged "thinking"
Employment is a right? How is it people ever find themselves unemployed?
 
How many of the new cases are vaccinated, Tim? Despite its high vaccination rate, Vermont still has 195,000 unvaccinated. The vast majority of 170 new cases/day they are seeing daily could very well be unvaccinated.
so, theoretically, Vermont has achieved herd immunity and thus the vaccine should work precisely as we were told when it was released.
correct?
 
Depends on your definition of “required”. Legally? No, and it’ll never happen. As far a mandates for privileges such as jobs and advanced education? Yes. It’s no different than any other vaccine requirement.
And this has been pointed out ad nauseam, nowhere am I mandated to show proof of any other vaccination to work.
I was not mandated to show proof of vaccination when I attended high school nor college.
Yes, gradeschool had the checklist for my doctor to verify, but I also went to gradeschool with kids that were unvaccinated.
Some for religious reasons, others for personal reasons, a few for medical reasons.
They weren't denied an education. I wasn't denied an education. We all sat in the same class. Unmasked. Within 6 feet of one another.
At all my schools and places of employments, I've picked up colds, flus, whatever. It happens.

There are risks we accept as humans for wanting to live on this planet.
We can get struck by lightning. We can get hit by cars. We can drown in pools/bathtubs/lakes/rivers/oceans/seas. We can overdose on drugs. We can not have our chute open skydiving. We can fall off a mountain trying to climb to the top.
Point is, there are inherent risks just being a human that is afforded liberties and freedoms.
Father time is undefeated and we all go at some point. Some get to have Willard Scott ( used to, anyway ) wish them happy 100th. Some aborted in the womb. And a whole host of ages in-between. We can't prevent ALL death. It sucks when anyone dies, especially those close to us.
But this, all of this, surrounding COVID seems like using a Hiroshima style nuclear bomb to kill a gnat.

Heart disease and cancer killed almost twice as many people each in 2020 than COVID.....with the caveat "confirmed or presumed COVID".
While heart disease and cancer are non-communicable, we also have to factor in the number of people who contract these diseases/causes of death that do not die from them.


How many people have contracted COVID and lived?
How many people contracted COVID and didn't even know it because they were asymptomatic?
How many people did the old "just gonna lay on the couch and drink broth and water until I feel better" and didn't get an OFFICIAL diagnosis to be counted?
I'm strictly using the reporting numbers, and again, it seems like such a knee jerk reaction to something that is essentially a ramped up flu.
If these current vaccines, all the MRNA versions, do NOT prevent the transmission nor the acquisition of the virus ( and they do not ), what's the point to those that wish to chalk this up to just another landmine in life to navigate and just go about their normal business?

Those who wish to take the "wait and see approach" to the current vaccines, or wait for a different kind of vaccine, or don't wish to vaccinate at all for whatever reason.....why are we treating them as lepers and outcasts? Why are we bullying them? Why are we discriminating against them? The only confirmed positive of the current MRNA vaccines is that you're not "hit as hard" as if you were unvaccinated.
So taking the vaccine ONLY benefits you......nobody else.
The nonsense about "overburdening" the hospitals/doctors' offices is just that. NONSENSE.
I work for a hospital system.
Our system has not mandated the vaccine yet.
But there are surrounding competitors that have, and they face overburdening because of lack of workers due to forced resignations/firings over the vaccine.
These same people who were OK to work there when there was no vaccine, who didn't have proper PPE and forced to reuse N95 masks or even cloth masks, to do their jobs treating medical injuries?
REE-DIC-U-LOUS.
 
So sad.

“Misinformation is literally killing people,” Allegheny County Health Department's director said today

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Yep. That same Allegheny medical district which saw over 40% of it's hospitalized cases being people who were vaccinated. So sad.
 
This is just a God-awful take. Doesn't shock me you'd stoop so low, to align Holocaust victims hauled off to death camps with public health measures during a global pandemic.

Truly despicable and tasteless, in every which way. Congrats! (y)

Not in the least. It's a fair compare. We live in a nation that is mandating 330Million people inject untested medicines against their will into their bodies. In a nation where you can't travel with papers. Your freedoms have been reduced as such.

Damned similar to 1943.
 
How many of the new cases are vaccinated, Tim? Despite its high vaccination rate, Vermont still has 195,000 unvaccinated. The vast majority of 170 new cases/day they are seeing daily could very well be unvaccinated.

Stay on topic tard. You said all of Vermont's cases are coming from kids.

They have provided you the stats, as have I. You can stop twisting them.
 
PV for the win, again. This is the basis for your religious exemptions, should you be filing for one.

Fetal Tissue Coverup​

Pfizer is using aborted fetal tissue to produce the Vaccine

“One of more cell lines with an origin that can be traced back to human fetal tissue has been used in laboratory tests associated with the Vaccine program. We have not received any questions from policy makers or media on the issue so we want to avoid raising this if possible.”

We want to avoid having the information on the fetal cell lines floating out there. We believe the risk of communication this right now outweighs any potential benefit that we could see, particularly with general members of the public who may take this information and use it in ways we may not want it out there.

Melissa Strickler, a Pfizer worker at the McPherson Kansas plant is the whistleblower.





 
Stay on topic tard. You said all of Vermont's cases are coming from kids.

They have provided you the stats, as have I. You can stop twisting them.
So your point is that it’s not unvaccinated kids, but 20-29 year-old unvaccinated adults that are spreading Covid in Vermont.

Strong point, Tim.
 
Not in the least. It's a fair compare. We live in a nation that is mandating 330Million people inject untested medicines against their will into their bodies. In a nation where you can't travel with papers. Your freedoms have been reduced as such.

Damned similar to 1943.
corrections

Fibs lives in Hungary, thus the freedoms we enjoy here, in the United States of America, do not completely apply to Fibs.
 
Not in the least. It's a fair compare. We live in a nation that is mandating 330Million people inject untested medicines against their will into their bodies. In a nation where you can't travel with papers. Your freedoms have been reduced as such.

Damned similar to 1943.
Sounds like an outrage most people aren’t aware of, Tim. You should submit an op-Ed under your real name to all the major newspapers.

I know you wouldn’t dare.
 
Project veritas also got a pfizer scientist admitting on camera that natural antibodies are far superior to the vaccines

Merck just did exactly what we expected them to… rejiggered the Ivermectin formula into a covid specific pill with a 700% markup….


For decades tge liberals railed against big pharmaceutical for lying to maximize profit and often endangering lives and here we have just that going on and they embrace it
 
Sounds like an outrage most people aren’t aware of, Tim. You should submit an op-Ed under your real name to all the major newspapers.

I know you wouldn’t dare.
and you should do the same under your real name - specifically identifying people for being anti-vax and calling them the same insults you do here.

*****
 
More on Liberal policies destroying our healthcare system. So sad. Innocent people needing healthcare are the real victims.

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Northwell Health, New York State’s largest health provider, announced on Tuesday that 1,400 employees — less than 2 percent of its staff — refused to get vaccinated and were subsequently fired.

New York’s health care mandate is particularly strict: Employees do not have the option for weekly testing or exemptions for religious reasons, though the latter is being challenged in the courts.

Northwell, which employs more than 76,000 people said in a statement that vaccinating all of its employees would allow the provider to “provide exceptional care at all of our hospitals, without interruption and enable all our facilities to remain open and fully operational.”
 
Project veritas also got a pfizer scientist admitting on camera that natural antibodies are far superior to the vaccines

Merck just did exactly what we expected them to… rejiggered the Ivermectin formula into a covid specific pill with a 700% markup….


For decades tge liberals railed against big pharmaceutical for lying to maximize profit and often endangering lives and here we have just that going on and they embrace it

Yep. Here is JO confronting the scientist later to say "we gotya." Scientist is not happy.

 
So your point is that it’s not unvaccinated kids, but 20-29 year-old unvaccinated adults that are spreading Covid in Vermont.

Strong point, Tim.

What age groups are filling their hospitals?
Who's dying?

I'll wait.

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Rates of COVID-19 are highest among Vermonters 20-29 years old with a rate of 761.5 per 10K <---VT Dept of Health
Vermont — 76% of recent deaths are ‘breakthrough’ cases <---VT Dept of Health
25 of 33 Vermonters who died of Covid in September were vaccinated <---VT Dept of Health
The head of UMass Memorial Health said that regional hospitals were seeing nearly 20x more Covid patients than in June and there isn’t an ICU bed to spare.

"All of these data points are due to the kids!!" /Floggy


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Sounds like an outrage most people aren’t aware of, Tim.

Clearly your head is in the sand.

Wait...you only watch Lester Holt. Got it now.
 
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