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How are those rube, under-vaxed states first hit by Delta doing? MO, LA, AR, MS, GA, FL, Texas, etc?

Indeed Delta moved north. And now your NE states have hospitals full and rising cases and deaths among the vaxed.

The vaccines work like a charm.

The map also shows, there is no correlating vaxes and Covid so far. MN getting slammed at essentially the same vaxed rate as FL, with a younger population to boot.
What does that map show, Tim? No title, nor labels. Looks like a bunch of rural counties are dark red…

The highly vaccinated states never came close to catching the southern states and now cases are going down.

 
Whatever, Tim. Keep on questioning the vaccine, celebrating whatever small victories you can. It’s really quite morbid of you.


And keep pointing out the "likelihood" of infection stats no one is debating using this logic....

I bought this car in 2015 and I got 32MPG
In 2018 I was getting 28MPG
In 2020 I was getting 25MPG
In 2021 I am getting 16MPG

But it's still 9x better gas mileage than my riding lawn mower!!! So it's a GREAT car and everyone should be mandated to get this car!
 
Tibs said: To this day, mitigation & vaccination, ideally combined with natural immunity, is the best way to lessen the spread, keep the virus from mutating and continuing to infect people.

You do understand the meaning of the word *combined,* correct?

These three things together, combined, gives us the best chance to defeat the virus and end the pandemic:

- Mitigation (masks)
- Vaccination
- Natural immunity

It's seems you've been arguing the following:

- Mitigation (masks)
- Vaccination

- Natural immunity

These two are not one and the same, not by a long shot.
 
What does that map show, Tim?

You really are that stupid.

No title, nor labels.

You can't identify the states in the USA?

Looks like a bunch of rural counties are dark red…

Looks like a whole lot of states that had no red counties during July and August now have a whole lot...as I predicted.

The highly vaccinated states never came close to catching the southern states and now cases are going down.

Do define catching? I told you Delta would spread north and you said the magic elixir would prevent that.
 
You do understand the meaning of the word *combined,* correct?

These three things together, combined, gives us the best chance to defeat the virus and end the pandemic:

- Mitigation (masks)
- Vaccination
- Natural immunity

It's seems you've been arguing the following:

- Mitigation (masks)
- Vaccination

- Natural immunity

These two are not one and the same, not by a long shot.

As usual, you misconstrue. YOU have discounted natural immunity throughout. Never considering it.

WE have argued that ending this pandemic would be a combination of natural immunity and vaccination in the population (not BOTH for each individual necessarily). Mitigation measures have failed.

The eureka moment is you are now considering natural immunity. Did you get laid last night?
 
I certainly hope he is right. But watch...Democrats will still be mandating vaxes for all.

Former FDA commissioner said summer spike is likely last COVID-19 wave to hit US

"I think this Delta wave is probably the last major surge of SARS-CoV-2 infection that we have in the U.S., barring something unexpected happening," said Scott Gottlieb, author of Uncontrolled Spread, in a book on the U.S. response to the pandemic.

"It's largely coursed its way through the U.S., and so maybe by Thanksgiving , on the back-end of that, we'll start to see prevalence levels nationally decline in a more uniform scale," Gottlieb said .

A signal of the pandemic's direction is how it will affect the northeastern states, where cases are expected to rise despite that region being the most heavily vaccinated, Gottlieb added.

"I still think that Delta is going to sweep through the Northeast," he said.

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Floggy won't like the last part.
 
As usual, you misconstrue. YOU have discounted natural immunity throughout. Never considering it.

WE have argued that ending this pandemic would be a combination of natural immunity and vaccination in the population (not BOTH for each individual necessarily). Mitigation measures have failed.

The eureka moment is you are now considering natural immunity. Did you get laid last night?
he didnt. someone in his house did.
 
Vaccines are an incredibly important tool for protecting the vulnerable - elderly, Type 1 diabetics, those with compromised immune systems - and a tremendous advantage for all in terms of lowering the severity of the symptoms from a disease made in a Chinese lab and released on the world by China. (We need to say the last part EVERY TIME we discuss SARS-Cov2 or we will soon forget who caused this - most on the left in fact refuse to acknowledge that fact.)

However, the very effective treatment options for the Chinese flu, like Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin, must also be highlighted and discussed as much as the vaccine-that's-not-a-vaccine. Why are effective, safe, affordable treatment options not being touted??

Third, vaccine mandates are an affront to our rights as Americans. If you are concerned about the Chinese flu, get the vaccine and you're protected, or so we are told. Why is it your business that somebody else runs a risk? "Because they can infect me." Wait, you have the vaccine - how will they infect you? "Because the vaccine does not protect me from getting infected." Then how does forcing them to get the vaccine protect you from getting the Chinese flu, since you can both still get the Chinese flu?

Fourth, the politicization of the Chinese flu - labeling those who decline the vaccine as "anti-vaxxers" when making a decision about a non-vaccine vaccine means nothing about vaccines in general, calling those who are unvaccinated "Trumpists" when the evidence completely refutes the claim, segregating based on vaccination status, punishment for refusing the vaccine - is abhorrent. Seriously, if you cannot see the devastation wrought by these vaccine apartheid measures, you are suffering the logical fallacy known as "willful ignorance."
If this “vaccine” worked correctly then the vaccinated would protect the unvaccinated who can’t be vaccinated. The argument for mass vaccinations absolutely works to protect the small subset of those who for medical reasons can’t be vaccinated. With this that argument is worthless as it doesn’t prevent the spread as a traditional vaccine will do and it is not thoroughly tested over a proper time frame to insure long term issues don’t arise giving valid reasons to refuse along with the simple fact of it’s low mortality rate for most.
 
Neither the vaccine nor natural immunity are bulletproof against Covid, particularly the new strains. Both the vaccine and some form of natural immunity help lessen your chances of catching it, getting sick or dying and spreading it to others.

Agree 100%. That is why it is imperative that those in the high-risk group - those 65 and older, with diabetes, with compromised immunity or lung disease, the obese - get the vaccine. It means a lot to them.

Fit people under age 50 with no such comorbidity? Vaccine just does not mean much.

Neither is foolproof, 100% guarantee for anything. You can have a breakthrough case and catch Covid fully vaccinated. You can also catch Covid having had natural immunity.

Agreed, though to be fair, natural immunity seems to have longer staying power and provides even more protection.

Which is why, as I have said for months, as TSF has said for months, as Supe has said for months, etc., those with natural immunity do not need the shot and certainly should never be ORDERED to take a medication they don't want and don't need.

There are no guarantees, no assurances one way or another. Getting vaccinated and/or having natural immunity simply gives you a fighter's chance against the virus.

Agreed. If you are in the group that stands to benefit, get the damn vaccine. If you don't need the vaccine, your choice.

What I have said for at least eight months. Numerous others have stated that position as well.

Same with masks. Doesn't guarantee anything, simply a small measure that may slightly improve your chances of not contracting or spreading Covid. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe. Could be. But putting masks on kids makes zero sense. They don't get the Chinese flu very often, they don't get serious complications from the Chinese flu, they don't spread the Chinese flu, their risk of serious consequences is demonstrably lower than their risk from regular flu, drowning, etc. Further, the dozens of examples of those in charge putting on masks for show - AOC and the photo op, the Biden official shown putting on the mask right before walking to the microphone, then taking the mask off to speak, i.e., not actually wearing the mask and instead putting on a show, Fauci with his mask around his neck at the baseball game, Gavin Haircut with no mask at a dinner, Pelosi with no mask while getting her hair done, and on and on - have dramatically undercut the credibility of those giving directions and very often orders.

I had suspected by the summer of 2020 that masks were not doing much since the mask areas had basically the same number of cases as the non-masked. I still wore the thing into the grocery store because ordered to do so. By late 2020 and early 2021, it was pretty apparent to me that the mask orders were much less about health than about control.

If the government had been honest all along and admitted what the masking did and didn't do, I would give them much more credence. Instead, they flat-out lied to me, so my belief that mask orders are about control makes more sense than the claim it has any appreciable effect on spreading the Chinese flu.

There are no absolutes here, one way or another. Anyone arguing right vs. wrong is simply wasting their breath.

Okay, I can certainly see that. But a lot of our elected leaders have made overtly hostile statements about those who will not get the vaccine, including the millions who don't NEED the vaccine. Can't work, can't go to school, can't use public transportation, fired, denied unemployment.

Those are hostile actions for not taking a vaccine that is waning and less effective than natural immunity, no?

Also I think I recall a guy saying something like, "No jab, no job," no matter natural immunity. Do you recall who that guy was?

To this day, mitigation & vaccination, ideally combined with natural immunity, is the best way to lessen the spread, keep the virus from mutating and continuing to infect people.

No doubt. But shutting in-person learning in schools is killing our kids' learning, and the simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority of lower and middle class need in-person schooling to look after their kids while they work. The cannot simply afford full-time day care, 8 to 10 hours per day, and therefore cannot work while schools remain closed mainly to mollify teacher's unions.

I ask you to look at the issues regarding in-person schooling with the same degree of thought you have proffered in your post. Tell me why schools should remain closed, other than to satisfy a huge political base for a certain political party.

For the life of me I cannot comprehend why this pandemic is causing so much bellyaching, navel-gazing and uncertainty. It's not that complicated, folks.

Because of the following:
  • Lockdowns are killing the middle class. The lockdowns went on for month after month after we were told that they would last a couple weeks, then a month, then maybe a couple months.
  • All those extolling lockdowns seem never to miss a paycheck.
  • Schools were kept closed despite the fact schools remained open in Europe, with basically no adverse results.
  • Schools remained closed despite a plethora of data showing kids were the LEAST vulnerable population and that shutting down in-person learning had devastating consequences on kids relative to their learning, social interaction, happiness, etc.
  • Finally, we witnessed time after time after time after time instances where the political class - the "elite" who gained elite status not for intellect or honesty or competence or innovation or bravery or courage but instead because they could get elected - flagrantly ignored the rules they imposed on the rest of us.
  • And those shitbags never missed a paycheck, had their kids get in-person teaching at private schools, while telling us to accept government cheese and Zoom learning for our kids.
 
If this “vaccine” worked correctly then the vaccinated would protect the unvaccinated who can’t be vaccinated.

You speak much wisdom. This is the history of successful vaccination programs. Get enough people vaccinated, couple that with natural immunity, protect the most vulnerable among us, develop herd immunity.

Today, the 64-genders-of-science approach is inject everyone with a sub-par "shot" that doesn't prevent spread, wanes in effectiveness from good to poor in 4-6 months, but tout it's "tremendous" successes and mandate everyone get it while also wholly discounting natural immunity.
 

15 year-old California boy killed by Covid Vaccine…​

Posted by Kane on October 6, 2021 11:13 am

BREAKING: PRA’d Synopsis Report from Sonoma County Sheriff’s office reveals otherwise healthy 15 year old died in June from heart issues due to second Covid vaccine two days prior. Sonoma county has zero pediatric Covid deaths. Tragically, at least one vaccine related death.

Police in Sonoma County, California, are blaming Pfizer’s experimental mRNA jab for causing the sudden death of a Santa Rosa teen. The Sonoma County sheriff’s office report shows a determination was made by a medical examiner that the 15–year-old, who was found dead in his bedroom two days after his second jab, suffered “stress cardiomyopathy” and “coronary artery inflammation.”

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/15-year-old-california-boy-killed-by-covid-vaccine/
No way the poke did this.
 
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No was the poke did this.
While the teenage deaths are still technically outliers, they are building up… they are into double digits though most are filed as “still under investigation “ the teenager population that is vaxxed is very small so it’s getting troubling

No vaccine has ever had this many close deaths among healthy people associated with it and not been pulled for further testing .. again sometimes as few as 7 cases are enough for them to look into it

Since they started tracking these events No vaccine with this level of adverse effects has ever been released widespread… they probably wouldn’t even clear clinical trial standards..

This is exactly why this must remain a choice… the overall risks and benefits haven’t been fully explored yet
 
Agree 100%. That is why it is imperative that those in the high-risk group - those 65 and older, with diabetes, with compromised immunity or lung disease, the obese - get the vaccine. It means a lot to them.

Fit people under age 50 with no such comorbidity? Vaccine just does not mean much.



Agreed, though to be fair, natural immunity seems to have longer staying power and provides even more protection.

Which is why, as I have said for months, as TSF has said for months, as Supe has said for months, etc., those with natural immunity do not need the shot and certainly should never be ORDERED to take a medication they don't want and don't need.



Agreed. If you are in the group that stands to benefit, get the damn vaccine. If you don't need the vaccine, your choice.

What I have said for at least eight months. Numerous others have stated that position as well.



Maybe. Could be. But putting masks on kids makes zero sense. They don't get the Chinese flu very often, they don't get serious complications from the Chinese flu, they don't spread the Chinese flu, their risk of serious consequences is demonstrably lower than their risk from regular flu, drowning, etc. Further, the dozens of examples of those in charge putting on masks for show - AOC and the photo op, the Biden official shown putting on the mask right before walking to the microphone, then taking the mask off to speak, i.e., not actually wearing the mask and instead putting on a show, Fauci with his mask around his neck at the baseball game, Gavin Haircut with no mask at a dinner, Pelosi with no mask while getting her hair done, and on and on - have dramatically undercut the credibility of those giving directions and very often orders.

I had suspected by the summer of 2020 that masks were not doing much since the mask areas had basically the same number of cases as the non-masked. I still wore the thing into the grocery store because ordered to do so. By late 2020 and early 2021, it was pretty apparent to me that the mask orders were much less about health than about control.

If the government had been honest all along and admitted what the masking did and didn't do, I would give them much more credence. Instead, they flat-out lied to me, so my belief that mask orders are about control makes more sense than the claim it has any appreciable effect on spreading the Chinese flu.



Okay, I can certainly see that. But a lot of our elected leaders have made overtly hostile statements about those who will not get the vaccine, including the millions who don't NEED the vaccine. Can't work, can't go to school, can't use public transportation, fired, denied unemployment.

Those are hostile actions for not taking a vaccine that is waning and less effective than natural immunity, no?

Also I think I recall a guy saying something like, "No jab, no job," no matter natural immunity. Do you recall who that guy was?



No doubt. But shutting in-person learning in schools is killing our kids' learning, and the simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority of lower and middle class need in-person schooling to look after their kids while they work. The cannot simply afford full-time day care, 8 to 10 hours per day, and therefore cannot work while schools remain closed mainly to mollify teacher's unions.

I ask you to look at the issues regarding in-person schooling with the same degree of thought you have proffered in your post. Tell me why schools should remain closed, other than to satisfy a huge political base for a certain political party.



Because of the following:
  • Lockdowns are killing the middle class. The lockdowns went on for month after month after we were told that they would last a couple weeks, then a month, then maybe a couple months.
  • All those extolling lockdowns seem never to miss a paycheck.
  • Schools were kept closed despite the fact schools remained open in Europe, with basically no adverse results.
  • Schools remained closed despite a plethora of data showing kids were the LEAST vulnerable population and that shutting down in-person learning had devastating consequences on kids relative to their learning, social interaction, happiness, etc.
  • Finally, we witnessed time after time after time after time instances where the political class - the "elite" who gained elite status not for intellect or honesty or competence or innovation or bravery or courage but instead because they could get elected - flagrantly ignored the rules they imposed on the rest of us.
  • And those shitbags never missed a paycheck, had their kids get in-person teaching at private schools, while telling us to accept government cheese and Zoom learning for our kids.

Reasonable. Unlike UCLA. This insanity must end.

 
Over the months, as Vermont has worsened, you've always fallen back to the little baby-boy, weak-*** position of saying "but Vermont is small, Vermont's cases are low, blah blah."

Bullshit.

Vermont is much bigger than that bullshit Kentucky study you point to that the CDC points to about natural immunity. You'll use 258 people as some form of proof point but ignore an entire state...or the entire nation of Israel.

The vaccines work....far less effectively than they did early this year. 40% less effective in most cases. Rising breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, deaths among the vaccinated make you a liar.

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88 percent of all eligible Vermonters (age 12 and over) had been vaccinated with at least one shot.

"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
Vermont — 76% of recent deaths are ‘breakthrough’ cases
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"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
“Just eight of the 33 Vermonters who died of Covid in September were unvaccinated.”

"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
Regional hospitals saw nearly 20x more Covid patients than in June and there isn’t an ICU bed to spare.

"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
While leading the nation in vaccination, Vermont has hit its highest case load ever.

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"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
Oct. 3, 2021 - (AP) – Despite having the highest vaccination rates in the country...parts of New England are seeing record casess, hospitalizations and deaths that rival pre-vaccine peaks
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"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
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Right, 88% of those eligible. Guess where the cases are? Too easy! Again, you fail.

 
And keep pointing out the "likelihood" of infection stats no one is debating using this logic....

I bought this car in 2015 and I got 32MPG
In 2018 I was getting 28MPG
In 2020 I was getting 25MPG
In 2021 I am getting 16MPG

But it's still 9x better gas mileage than my riding lawn mower!!! So it's a GREAT car and everyone should be mandated to get this car!
And you’re arguing people should rely on their riding lawnmowers for transportation. You might be from West Virginia if…
 
It's Bullshit. pure Bullshit politico tyranny. That poor young man and his family. I'd lawyer up and get my 70K back.

Yep. Yet Liberals will defend this. The kid takes online classes, like Rutgers did to that kid. Isn't going to campus. Get the jab or else.

Literally, that is tyranny.
 
Right, 88% of those eligible. Guess where the cases are? Too easy! Again, you fail.

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the two graphs on that site do not support each other.
Flog do not see.
Flog need one graph stapled to a cornea
Flog need other graph nailed to other cornea
 
Right, 88% of those eligible. Guess where the cases are? Too easy! Again, you fail.


1. I provided you with a ton of data points, 98% of which you side-stepped then full on ignored. Typical.

2. your data is wrong...again. You provide a link from...wait for it...Vermont Digger? Which says just TWO people from that age group have been hospitalized.

From the Vermont Dept of Health (not the VTDigger lmao): Rates of COVID-19 are highest among Vermonters 20-29 years old with a rate of 761.5 per 10K (not 100) Vermonters (nearly 8%).

3. Your link says hospitalizations among KIDS is nonexistent. Yet...Regional hospitals saw nearly 20x more Covid patients than in June and there isn’t an ICU bed to spare. Who's filling the hospitals to over-capacity then tard?

4. if the cases were all among kids, who aren't vaxed, then who's dying? 76% of recent deaths are ‘breakthrough’ cases. <----you know people who've been vaxed, which you've stated ain't be da kids.

Dial 1-800-RentAnAss. You need a new one.
 
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And you’re arguing people should rely on their riding lawnmowers for transportation.

You leave out of the equation the naturally immune, who are still getting 32MPG while you vaxed peopoze are down to 16.

For those who've chosen the lawnmower, they should have that right...to make a decision of personal risk for themselves and assume the infinitesimal risk of dying from Covid.

You're vaxed and protected, why ya scared of them peopoze?
 
1. I provided you with a ton of data points, 98% of which you side-stepped then full on ignored. Typical.

2. your data is wrong...again. You provide a link from...wait for it...Vermont Digger? Which says just TWO people from that age group have been hospitalized.

From the Vermont Dept of Health (not the VTDigger lmao): Rates of COVID-19 are highest among Vermonters 20-29 years old with a rate of 761.5 per 10K (not 100) Vermonters (nearly 8%).

3. Your link says hospitalizations among KIDS is nonexistent. Yet...Regional hospitals saw nearly 20x more Covid patients than in June and there isn’t an ICU bed to spare. Who's filling the hospitals to over-capacity then tard?

4. if the cases were all among kids, who aren't vaxed, then who's dying? 76% of recent deaths are ‘breakthrough’ cases. <----you know people who've been vaxed, which you've stated ain't be da kids.

Dial 1-800-RentAnAss. You need a new one.
How many sources do you need? I don’t have the time to address all of your nonsense.

 
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