Colin Cowherd describing the new 'Steelers Culture'

[Coach]

I'm growing more convinced Roethlisberger is as much of a problem as Tomlin on the "culture" of the team and the up/down problems and inconsistencies and just plain "dumb" football.

But that said, Roethlisberger was never a replaceable part. And Tomlin has never improved Roethlisberger over his career.

I mean, when the forecast on the road is 1" of rain; when the team you are facing was LAST is points scored last season, the #1 message that should be pounded into everyone's head ALL WEEK leading up to this game is: NO TURNOVERS. Don't beat yourself. Don't give up free points.

So either Tomlin didn't pound that message home or our players don't care/listen to said coach.

Either of those issues is a problem with the coach, right?

I just don't know how you go into a game like this, knowing the conditions and the opponent and commit 6 turnovers and 120 yards in penalties. It's literally the #1 thing on the "most important issues for this week's game" notes. Is it not?

??? Ben had quite a few 4th quarter comebacks last year. He's the rising tide that lifts all boats.

Okay, once or twice a year Ben will suck. That happened last week, but Brown and James contributed to two of the interceptions.

Once in 14 or so attempts, Boswell will miss a kick, if he made it, people would forget about this ugly tie.

Now for my point, when has good coaching given us the edge? Why does our team disciple so poor? How come we seem to lose or in this case tie to bad teams with the frequency that we do? Why do we see so few positive in-game adjustments by the Steelers, and why do we play turtle ball late with a lead?

We have more talent than our playoff record indicates. If the Steelers can upgrade their head coach, they will win a super bowl. I agree with you, at this point Tomlin just doesn't have everyone's respect. But a new head coach sure will as he has no friendly loyalties.

 

[Coach]

One last comment for the night if I may, as it just came to me.

When Bell exits, I think he's taking a parting shot. I wonder if he will mention the coaching as a problem or not.

 

[slashsteel]

One last comment for the night if I may, as it just came to me.

When Bell exits, I think he's taking a parting shot. I wonder if he will mention the coaching as a problem or not.

I am pretty sure most could care less what Me'Veon has to say, on his way out.

 

[Stryker]

Coach, Ben threw 3 more passes that hit the hands of the defense. He's lucky he didn't have 7 INTs

Also it's not turtle ball if we're still throwing INTs and fumbling the ball from passing sets...

 

[Punxsutawney]

Say what you want about Cowher, and sure his schtick was getting old but it took him two seasons to get a Super Bowl with Ben.

Was it, though?

Though he had already been with the Steelers for 12 years before Roethlisberger arrived, it looked like he was just getting started with the 15-1 season and the Super Bowl title. We know all the health/injury issues surrounding Roethlisberger in the 2006 season, but that team still finished strong.

I would love to be able to take a glimpse into that alternate universe where Cowher stayed.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Now for my point, when has good coaching given us the edge?

Very rarely, and it's a big reason why it feels like the Steelers are an infant trading fists with Muhammad Ali against a team like the Patriots.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Was it, though?

Though he had already been with the Steelers for 12 years before Roethlisberger arrived, it looked like he was just getting started with the 15-1 season and the Super Bowl title. We know all the health/injury issues surrounding Roethlisberger in the 2006 season, but that team still finished strong.

I would love to be able to take a glimpse into that alternate universe where Cowher stayed.

Me too, in retrospect. Maybe he just needed a quarterback. I remember feeling like his teams needed some sort of extra motivation to play well. I used to say I was tired of the team needing to get all spittled up. I know I still had the idea of the 70s Steelers and Noll as the model.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Remember guys, Cowher had more important things to deal with when he chose to retire. His wife had just been diagnosed or was dealing with fatal skin cancer.

Oh yeah, he loves to opine our success due to having CLE and CIN in the division, but never.....NEVER follows suit about NE with their division.

SB XL was his lightning rod for being heard from the Nat’l media. It has stayed with him ever since. Has disdain for the team cause he still thinks SEA was robbed.


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[Drink IRON City]

Remember guys, Cowher had more important things to deal with when he chose to retire. His wife had just been diagnosed or was dealing with fatal skin cancer.

Oh yeah, he loves to opine our success due to having CLE and CIN in the division, but never.....NEVER follows suit about NE with their division.

SB XL was his lightning rod for being heard from the Nat’l media. It has stayed with him ever since. Has disdain for the team cause he still thinks SEA was robbed.


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I could listen to him but I always have in the back of my head this little voice reminding me of just that, He sided on the cheap controversial side of the outcome of that SB and unjustifiably crucified the STEELERS in doing so. It worked as look at him now, nationally known. As others have said, it's his entertainment value ONLY that I ever listen to his schtiK.



Salute the nation

 

[steelhurt]

One last comment for the night if I may, as it just came to me.

When Bell exits, I think he's taking a parting shot. I wonder if he will mention the coaching as a problem or not.

Nah, he won’t with Tomlin. It’s all about the money with Bell. If he does take a shot, it will be towards Artie and or Kevin.


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[chipped ham]

Remember guys, Cowher had more important things to deal with when he chose to retire. His wife had just been diagnosed or was dealing with fatal skin cancer.

Oh yeah, he loves to opine our success due to having CLE and CIN in the division, but never.....NEVER follows suit about NE with their division.

SB XL was his lightning rod for being heard from the Nat’l media. It has stayed with him ever since. Has disdain for the team cause he still thinks SEA was robbed.


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Cowhers wife wasn’t diagnosed with cancer until 2009-2010, well after he had retired. A lot of people latch onto this as being why he stepped away, and it’s simply not true. This wasn’t intended to call you out, believe me, but I’ve read/heard this so many times, and it wasn’t the case at all.

 

[Hoot]

Maybe you are right Cowher seemed to have checked out that last year and I’m sure he’s been offered god knows how many coaching jobs. But his fire burnt hot and fast and I could see him not having the passion he once did.

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Cowher's eyes turned toward his family. I don't know if they knew about his wife's cancer when he retired, but certainly his daughters were spreading wings and near leaving the nest. I can completely understand him wanting to spend as much time as he could with them. I recall wondering at the time if he only stayed on one more season to give the team time to start their coachign research.

@all - another change happened as well...Dan Rooney turned more and more operations and control over to Art II.

 

[Hoot]

Cowhers wife wasn’t diagnosed with cancer until 2009-2010, well after he had retired. A lot of people latch onto this as being why he stepped away, and it’s simply not true. This wasn’t intended to call you out, believe me, but I’ve read/heard this so many times, and it wasn’t the case at all.

I couldn't recall the timing. I know Kaye passed in 2010 but don't know when she was diagnosed. Kaye was an NCSU alumn andI believe two, if not all, his daughters went to NCSU around that time frame. I know he built a house north of Raleigh and they spent a lot of time at the Outer Banks. I recall him talking about spending time with his daughters.

 

[Stryker]

Remember guys, Cowher had more important things to deal with when he chose to retire. His wife had just been diagnosed or was dealing with fatal skin cancer.

Oh yeah, he loves to opine our success due to having CLE and CIN in the division, but never.....NEVER follows suit about NE with their division.

SB XL was his lightning rod for being heard from the Nat’l media. It has stayed with him ever since. Has disdain for the team cause he still thinks SEA was robbed.


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NE has only had 2 years since 2000 when there was a viable opponent in their division. Manning and the Colts had the same benefit. No one contesting a team with a franchise QB. They always had shitheads to go against. We might max at 4 wins but the Colts and Pats were benefitting from 6 wins a season.

And **** Cincy has been way more competetive than any other teams in those Piss Poor divisions.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Cowhers wife wasn’t diagnosed with cancer until 2009-2010, well after he had retired. A lot of people latch onto this as being why he stepped away, and it’s simply not true. This wasn’t intended to call you out, believe me, but I’ve read/heard this so many times, and it wasn’t the case at all.

Chipped, Kaye Cowher’s diagnosis wasn’t made public until 2009. She was most likely in tx before then...IIRC there were rumblings some time before he retired from print media that there were martial problems with the Cowhers. I remember his press conference about it. Chin was subdued during it, but you could tell he was pretty ticked about it. Kaye may have been seeking evaluation then, plus as mentioned before their youngest daughter was starting college ball.

In any case family was being prioritized after that final season.


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[mr peeples]

Cowhers wife wasn’t diagnosed with cancer until 2009-2010, well after he had retired. A lot of people latch onto this as being why he stepped away, and it’s simply not true. This wasn’t intended to call you out, believe me, but I’ve read/heard this so many times, and it wasn’t the case at all.

Did you ever read he interview he gave a few years ago? He said he was so happy to be able to live life without being bothered wherever he went, which was how life was in Pgh as coach. He was so sick of it.

 

[str8liner]

Thank god someone in the sports media has come out and said what 3/4's of us Steeler fans have felt the last 10 years.

Been a long time since I looked at a game like Sundays and penciled in a win. I don't know weather its Ben, Tomlin or a combination of them and other things but you could see what happened Sunday coming a mile away. I even eluded to it in the prediction thread a few days before.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the way this team prepares for games and IMO it starts at the top.

 

[chipped ham]

Chipped, Kaye Cowher’s diagnosis wasn’t made public until 2009. She was most likely in tx before then...IIRC there were rumblings some time before he retired from print media that there were martial problems with the Cowhers. I remember his press conference about it. Chin was subdued during it, but you could tell he was pretty ticked about it. Kaye may have been seeking evaluation then, plus as mentioned before their youngest daughter was starting college ball.

In any case family was being prioritized after that final season.


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She passed five months, or so, after her initial diagnosis. They discovered it late, and when they had, it was so far along in her bloodstream, that there wasn’t much that they could do.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/02/bill-cowher-wife-melanoma-prevention

 

[steelbush]

With this roster and the talent over the last 8 years....to hear we have 3 playoff wins, really puts it in perspective. I'm so sick of Tomlin....I truly believe he has cost us at least one (if not two) superbowls.

 

[AggieSteel]

With this roster and the talent over the last 8 years....to hear we have 3 playoff wins, really puts it in perspective. I'm so sick of Tomlin....I truly believe he has cost us at least one (if not two) superbowls.

Amazing how we (Steelers fans) have been pointing out the lack of playoff success since the last SB run for years, but the "national" media and fans refuse to catch on because we're a historically successful franchise and Tomlin earned his stellar reputation so early in his career. To even suggest that Tomlin isn't one of the league's best coaches after a SB win in year 2 and returned in year 4 (8 years ago), you must be committing some sort of "spoiled fanbase" blasphemy. "Almost every other team would snatch Tomlin up immediately if you guys fired him" they say.

Glad to see this narrative is finally slowing down. ******* 3 playoff wins since we last played in the SB

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

1 playoff wins vs a weak Miami team and another where the Bengals had the steelers beat until they self destructed with Burfict cheap shotting AB then getting another 15 yarder for bumping the ref after that.

The steelers really have under achieved.

 

[AggieSteel]

1 playoff wins vs a weak Miami team and another where the Bengals had the steelers beat until they self destructed with Burfict cheap shotting AB then getting another 15 yarder for bumping the ref after that.

The steelers really have under achieved.

The other playoff win, we didn't even score a TD

 

[topseed]

Me too, in retrospect. Maybe he just needed a quarterback. I remember feeling like his teams needed some sort of extra motivation to play well. I used to say I was tired of the team needing to get all spittled up. I know I still had the idea of the 70s Steelers and Noll as the model.

Punxsutawney and some others will never forget one of the most opinionated posters in the history of this board:

mrweneedaquarterback.

 

[Coryea]

Funny how this turned to anti-ben, it amazes me how a fan base has such dislike for a franchise QB, did most of you forget the Malone through Maddox years? The problem is we don't have enough guys like Ben, guys that just want to win, that are team first, not me first. You can't lead if you have selfish people that do not want to follow. He called)texted Bryant nearly ever day he was in rehab letting him know he was there for him. When AB pulled the Facebook live ****, Ben tells them hey let's go coach is here, not one guy around AB listened.
This **** environment is square on Tomlins shoulders.
Don't want to go Cowher vs Tomlin, but the guys we had under Cowher were team first do anything to win, as those players left the culture in that locker room started to change.

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[topseed]

Funny how this turned to anti-ben, it amazes me how a fan base has such dislike for a franchise QB, did most of you forget the Malone through Maddox years? The problem is we don't have enough guys like Ben, guys that just want to win, that are team first, not me first. You can't lead if you have selfish people that do not want to follow. He called)texted Bryant nearly ever day he was in rehab letting him know he was there for him. When AB pulled the Facebook live ****, Ben tells them hey let's go coach is here, not one guy around AB listened.
This **** environment is square on Tomlins shoulders.
Don't want to go Cowher vs Tomlin, but the guys we had under Cowher were team first do anything to win, as those players left the culture in that locker room started to change.

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I agree.

For example, it's not Ben's job to get in the face of Artie Burns after a stupid play costs the team. It should be Tomlin's responsibility.