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SteelerAl said:
The loss to the Chargers in 1994 was unforgiveable. We ONLY had Neil O'Donnell at QB. I guess we did face an uphill battle against the Chargers and the mighty Dan Fouts at QB. Oh wait, Fouts was retired...I guess the Chargers had Marino or Elway or Montana at QB, right????

We lost to Stan Humphries and the Chargers. Stan ******* Humphries. There's a reason we were huge favorites in that game. If you've ever felt a head coach was responsible for not having his team prepared to play a game, then you have to place the blue ribbon on that game for being the biggest example of a coach not having his team ready to play.
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and yet they still didn't have Big Ben at their disposal...


see when you do not have a franchise QB under center you really can not expect the outcomes to be what you want in comparison.

Because we know looking at rings, a QB is what stirs the drink.


A solid D can get you to the big game, a top QB will push you to being great.
 
slashsteel said:
and yet they still didn't have Big Ben at their disposal...


see when you do not have a franchise QB under center you really can not expect the outcomes to be what you want in comparison.

Because we know looking at rings, a QB is what stirs the drink.


A solid D can get you to the big game, a top QB will push you to being great.
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This is just asinine. You can't excuse every mistake that Cowher ever made from 1992 to 2003 just because he didn't have Ben. During the same period, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson hoisted the Lombardi. Cowher lost a home playoff game to a Stan Humphries-led Chargers team. We were the better team and at home. That was an epic coaching failure.
 
Well.....Being a Manager & Director of Sales I have my share of epic failures for under performing employees who may not care, suck, get sick, go out and abuse drugs & alcohol, lose family members, get divorced, or burn out. Life happens and people are our biggest asset.

At the end of the day as the Captain of the ship when we sink it is because of me, not for their failures but to not have the foresight, manpower or budget to overcome whatever adversity we felt as a "Sales team" this year....

When we have record breaking weeks it is not because of me, but rather my team that steps up. When we fall short it is because of systems or lack of leadership.

Being in charge puts you under scrutiny, like it or not.....

Glad there ain't a thread on my job performance or team here. Cause I'd be a big fail
 
SteveA said:
Well.....Being a Manager & Director of Sales I have my share of epic failures for under performing employees who may not care, suck, get sick, go out and abuse drugs & alcohol, lose family members, get divorced, or burn out. Life happens and people are our biggest asset.

At the end of the day as the Captain of the ship when we sink it is because of me, not for their failures but to not have the foresight, manpower or budget to overcome whatever adversity we felt as a "Sales team" this year....

When we have record breaking weeks it is not because of me, but rather my team that steps up. When we fall short it is because of systems or lack of leadership.

Being in charge puts you under scrutiny, like it or not.....

Glad there ain't a thread on my job performance or team here. Cause I'd be a big fail
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I would happily live in a world where this message board could exist without "Fire Cowher" or "Fire Tomlin" threads getting started in the first half of games that we win. I defended Cowher in those threads just like I defend Tomlin now. But it drives me crazy the way some people seem to have forgotten completely about Cowher's faults and mistakes and hold him up like now like some ideal of perfection who never lost a game to a bad team.
 
SteelerAl said:
The loss to the Chargers in 1994 was unforgiveable. We ONLY had Neil O'Donnell at QB. I guess we did face an uphill battle against the Chargers and the mighty Dan Fouts at QB. Oh wait, Fouts was retired...I guess the Chargers had Marino or Elway or Montana at QB, right????

We lost to Stan Humphries and the Chargers. Stan ******* Humphries. There's a reason we were huge favorites in that game. If you've ever felt a head coach was responsible for not having his team prepared to play a game, then you have to place the blue ribbon on that game for being the biggest example of a coach not having his team ready to play.
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That 1994 Championship game loss to the Chargers is without a doubt the most excruciating loss that i as a Steelers fan since 1972 ever experienced. We were a 101/2 point favorite and absolutely no one gave San Diego a chance, but Cowher was absolutely out coached by freaking Bobby Ross and lost to Stan Humphries and the out manned Chargers at home.
 
SteelerAl said:
I would happily live in a world where this message board could exist without "Fire Cowher" or "Fire Tomlin" threads getting started in the first half of games that we win. I defended Cowher in those threads just like I defend Tomlin now. But it drives me crazy the way some people seem to have forgotten completely about Cowher's faults and mistakes and hold him up like now like some ideal of perfection who never lost a game to a bad team.
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It seems that these folks agreed with what you're saying now. The only difference is that this analysis of Cowher's tenure was written while he was still coaching (Ben's second year, prior to the SB win) and is not a piece of revisionist history. I'll warn some of you that you will not like what they have to say about Bill's teams or the fact that they use stats and reasoning to back up. However, it may remind some of you of the issues you had with CBC DURING his time as HC. (This article was written during the 2005 season and before the SB win).

http://www.footballnation.com/content/cowhers-formula-for-failure/4863/

Highlights of the article include:

* All nine teams have stumbled upon miserable ends in the postseason. Only the 1995 team made the lowB repuS, where it lost to Dallas, 27-17. Pittsburgh has also lost – famously now – four AFC title games at home, two to New England, one to Denver and one to San Diego. Cowher's Steelers are a collective 8-9 in the playoffs in 13 seasons.

* It's even worse for the Steelers when we dig inside the numbers: Almost all of Pittsburgh's playoff success has come against borderline playoff teams. In the Cowher Era postseason, Pittsburgh is:
2-7 against division winners
6-2 against wild-card teams
1-9 against teams that went 11-5 or better in the regular season
7-0 against teams that went 10-6 or 9-7 in the regular season
Under Cowher, the Steelers have NEVER won a playoff game against a team that won its division and had a record of 11-5 or better.

*Pittsburgh has reeled off 10 playoff seasons (including nine division winners) during a period in which its division has routinely been among the very worst in football.

In the 10 seasons from 1992 to 2001, when Pittsburgh played in the old AFC Central, its division rivals combined for a mere 10 postseason appearances.

Only two teams competed against Pittsburgh from 1992 to 2001 in the old AFC Central and then again for all three years of the realigned AFC North (which was created in 2002): the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens and Cincinnati Bengals. Cincinnati has not fielded a single winning team in the Cowher Era. These two franchises over this 13-year period have combined for just five winning seasons and four postseason appearances.

The new Cleveland franchise, meanwhile, rejoined the AFC Central in 1999 and moved to the AFC North with Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Cleveland/Baltimore in 2002. The new Cleveland franchise has fielded just one playoff team since 1999.

This means that Cincinnati, Cleveland and Cleveland/Baltimore have a combined 32 seasons worth of competing against Pittsburgh in the Cowher Era (13 each for Cincy and Cleveland/Baltimore, and six for Cleveland). Given these 32 opportunities, these three franchises – Pittsburgh's chief rivals in the Cowher era – have combined for just six winning seasons and five postseason appearances.

Pittsburgh was also a great beneficiary of realignment, which took away its two most successful rivals and plopped them down in the new AFC South. In the Cowher Era AFC Central (1992-2001), Jacksonville fielded four playoff teams while the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans boasted three postseason qualifiers. Over the same period, Cincy, Cleveland and Baltimore/Cleveland combined to send just three teams to the playoffs.

Basically, the Steelers have had the good fortune of being able to beat up on a second-rate division. Steelers fans may not like the assessment, but it's one that's certainly justified by Pittsburgh's inability to beat high quality teams in the postseason.

All that said, I still believe that Bill Cowher was a very good coach for the Steelers and can't imagine anyone else coaching that team during that era. However, just as Tomlin has his flaws today, Bill had his back in the day.
 
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Steelerddan said:
That 1994 Championship game loss to the Chargers is without a doubt the most excruciating loss that i as a Steelers fan since 1972 ever experienced. We were a 101/2 point favorite and absolutely no one gave San Diego a chance, but Cowher was absolutely out coached by freaking Bobby Ross and lost to Stan Humphries and the out manned Chargers at home.
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I'm not going to lie I cried like a baby when we lost that game. And then the next year it came down to another 4th and 3 against the Colts. Smh..I couldn't believe it.. I just kept mumbling to myself please god not another 4th and 3. I was fully prepared to throw my ******* TV out the window if we didn't convert vs the Colts. Then the Hail Mary that looked like they caught. Almost had a heart attack at 19 years of age
 
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bermudasteel said:
Korky + The Bus + Ward + Plax was a deadly offense---the difference is that Coach Cowher didn't emphasize offense - defense was his thing.
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Dude, please. No offense that featured Kordell Stewart at QB was deadly. Cowher didn't emphasize defense over offense, he emphasized a ball control offense which is the best defense there ever was.
 
Troglodyte said:
Dude, please. No offense that featured Kordell Stewart at QB was deadly. Cowher didn't emphasize defense over offense, he emphasized a ball control offense which is the best defense there ever was.
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Feel free to have your opinion. I'm tired of pushing a square peg in a round hole...

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Fire Cowher.............................
 
bermudasteel said:
Feel free to have your opinion. I'm tired of pushing a square peg in a round hole...

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You mean like trying to fit Kordell Stewart in a ball control offense? That kind of square peg in a round hole? Just asking for clarification ... lol


Edit: Now let's go get that "Archer" record. Y'all are slacking! No BLINKING!!
 
SteelBuckeye said:
You mean like trying to fit Kordell Stewart in a ball control offense? That kind of square peg in a round hole? Just asking for clarification ... lol


Edit: Now let's go get that "Archer" record. Y'all are slacking! No BLINKING!!
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I'll let Grady tell 'em...
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Troglodyte said:
Dude, please. No offense that featured Kordell Stewart at QB was deadly. Cowher didn't emphasize defense over offense, he emphasized a ball control offense which is the best defense there ever was.
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My god kordell was awful as a full time qb. He never recovered from that meltdown during afccg vs Denver .I swear for a time I thought he had blackmail pictures on Cowher. He looked like a god damn deer in the headlights as soon as a few things didn't go well. To his credit I think he would have made a great wr.

Cowher stuck with him a few years more than he ever deserved.
 
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bermudasteel said:
I must interject and disagree...while you feel Coach Cowher didn't have a franchise QB - Korky + The Bus + Ward + Plax was a deadly offense---the difference is that Coach Cowher didn't emphasize offense - defense was his thing.

Our present coach and GM have built the one of the best offenses of the modern era. And just so that you know - this year's defense is ranked in the top 10. Not to shabby to have both units in the top 10 in the league...
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I agree that we have some great skill position talent, but saying that we are one of the best offenses of the modern era is a little over the top. Going by your stat site we are number 12 in scoring this year.
 
SteveA said:
Terry Bradshaw should know it & someone has to say it.....

The Steelers have no cheerleaders........
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Doing your part for this thread to reach "Archer" levels ... I like that "No Blink" mentality!!
 
Steelr4evr said:
My god kordell was awful as a full time qb. He never recovered from that meltdown during afccg vs Denver .I swear for a time I thought he had blackmail pictures on Cowher. He looked like a god damn deer in the headlights as soon as a few things didn't go well. To his credit I think he would have made a great wr.

Cowher stuck with him a few years more than he ever deserved.
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I think the NFL was wanting and hoping to transcend the QB position into something new with athletic multi-dimensional players like Kordell and Michael Vick. I don't know that they've completely given up on it but I don't think they are nearly as enthusiastic.
 
bermudasteel said:
I must interject and disagree...while you feel Coach Cowher didn't have a franchise QB - Korky + The Bus + Ward + Plax was a deadly offense---the difference is that Coach Cowher didn't emphasize offense - defense was his thing.*

Our present coach and GM have built the one of the best offenses of the modern era.* And just so that you know - this year's defense is ranked in the top 10.* Not to shabby to have both units in the top 10 in the league...
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Sorry I can't take anyone seriously who uses the term "deadly offense" and the name Kordell Stewart as being one and the same.

The defensive ranking is not impressive when you consider what they've feasted on to pad their stats in the second half of the season.

Now if the return of Dupree and other factors allow them to keep inertia into the post season, i'll gladly eat my words.

I have a feeling though that they'll be exposed much like Cowher's lack of that franchise QB exposed those 90's teams.
 
Elfiero said:
Sorry I can't take anyone seriously who uses the term "deadly offense" and the name Kordell Stewart as being one and the same.
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Karma sent.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Doing your part for this thread to reach "Archer" levels ... I like that "No Blink" mentality!!
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"Archer" levels....Not being funny....What exactly does that mean?????
 
SteveA said:
"Archer" levels....Not being funny....What exactly does that mean?????
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There was a thread started when Dri Archer was drafted. Folks who hated the pick vs. Folks who loved the pick vs. Folks who wanted to wait and see. Lot of name calling, cussing, banned posters. It was EPIC message board bloodshed. Mods finally got sick of all the BS after over 100 pages and shut the thread down. Can't remember if that was before or after he was no longer a Steeler.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
There was a thread started when Dri Archer was drafted. Folks who hated the pick vs. Folks who loved the pick vs. Folks who wanted to wait and see. Lot of name calling, cussing, banned posters. It was EPIC message board bloodshed. Mods finally got sick of all the BS after over 100 pages and shut the thread down. Can't remember if that was before or after he was no longer a Steeler.
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Got it......So keeping the flame burning.....Love it.....

Freakin' Archer, I so wanted him to be our Sproles.......And Rainey after him too
 
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Rainey was before Archer...I do believe.
 
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