why are we back on the black white ****
dont yinz get enough of that **** with the media
for the love of got damn it mane
dont yinz get enough of that **** with the media
for the love of got damn it mane
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F U Bradshaw....how about you support the team that made you who you are today?
He's not a perfect coach by any means. I've called for his head many a times these past two seasons as well. But Tomlin knows how to contrsuct a team to make a run. Yes it does suck losing to the below .500 teams. But more often than not the Steelers are always in contention for a playoff spot and peak at the right time. I'll say in Tomlin's defense these past three seasons is the defense held these teams back. The Steelers defense is now finally finding an identity. I think Mikey boy will deliver
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But another example of his faults - he should have started burning his TOs after the 2:00 warning. Baltimore was CLEARLY not going to run out if time. If the Steelers were going to stop them, it was going to be on downs. That was lost evidently on Tomlin. Them scoring that quickly was the best thing that could have happened given Tomlin's reluctance to use his TOs.
Nobody really cares right now ... what he did today was guide a team to a much needed (even psychologically) win. That's what counts. Not whatever little thing you think he could have done better. Hell, I think Ben could have played better for most of the game ... but he came through when it mattered. Go Steelers!!!
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I'll take lucky over good as well, but the fact that we won and are AFC North Champs doesn't change the relevance of what could have been another blunder. 9 seconds are a "little thing" we are lucky didn't cost us the game.
If my uncle had ****, he'd be my aunt. None of the things you mentioned happened ... we won the game. Try enjoying a win for once without attempting to be "that guy".
Merry Christmas. The Steelers won and I doubt that most folks here are in the mood for all the naysaying bullshit.
I like Tomlin because if he is a rah rah guy... I dislike him because he allows our OC to take Big Ben and try to put a square peg into a round hole... Use Big Ben in a four minute offense all game long... three wrs, a te and Bell as a sidecar. When the Steelers go uptempo, they are hard to stop. The Patriots do not handcuff Marcia.
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Oh, I'm enjoying it, and I'm enjoying the "no blink" character Tomlin's teams have. That doesn't make me forget the dismay I was experiencing in the moments leading up to Ravens final score and the relief I felt when they did score. I'm really happy my point isn't carrying the weight it could have. Trust me!
Ive always felt tomlin is a good, not great coach... His organizational skills are fine... he delegates well most of the time... some gameday decisions irk me, but that's true of every single coach in the NFL... I think we have gotten better at developing talent and giving chances based on play rather than pedigree, which used to be a big pet peeve of mine... he sometimes doesn't have the team ready for games, but that's true of most coaches... look Tomlin isn't changing the NFL strategic landscape or coming up with a brilliant gameplan every week...he has been part of some innoventions, such as the merging of T2 and Zone Blitz philosophies that got us number 6
but its important to note he also hasn't turned us into a laughing stock either... and that's easy to do quick with a real loser coach... are there coaches id rather have... sure... are there guys he is clearly better than, yes...
but its important to note he also hasn't turned us into a laughing stock either... and that's easy to do quick with a real loser coach... are there coaches id rather have... sure... are there guys he is clearly better than, yes...
What I meant was that they weren't necessarily going to hire the best coach available, they were going to hire the best minority coach available. Now it worked out okay, but I think that was what was going to happen no matter what, especially after Whiz was out of the running. Remember, Whiz went to meet with the Cardinals, they made him a solid yes or no offer, but if he wanted to think about it, it was off the table. Bird in the hand being worth two in the bush, he took the sure thing with the Cards.
saw him coach multiple times from the sides, and talking into his headset.
you said Zero times. You're wrong.
I also saw multiple times where he was not doing a thing, same with every coach in the league. You can't possibly think they are going to show the coach on the side lines every time an important decision is being made, do you?
Psst. Tomlin is a real coach.
In my profession....which is manufacturing..
We have many different types of engineers that have a lot of "x and o's" machine and process knowledge...but most all of them dont have the ability to "engineer" the people if you will..
My most valuable leaders on my team...are not the Electrical, Process, or even Manufacturing Engineers...my most effective "Engineers" are the "People" engineers that deal with the day-in and day-out part of the human process of manufacturing...
And to me...that best sums up Coach Tomlin's value to the Pittsburgh Steeler organization...
He is a engineer of People and manages what must be an extremely difficult thing to do with the people/players/coaches large ego's and relationship issues that he deals with day-in and day-out, that are vital to LEAD a large group of people to be successful and achieve long-term goals and commitments,...
This is why I consider Mike Tomlin currently a very good and moving the arrow if you will to being considered a great coach in the NFL...
We have many different types of engineers that have a lot of "x and o's" machine and process knowledge...but most all of them dont have the ability to "engineer" the people if you will..
My most valuable leaders on my team...are not the Electrical, Process, or even Manufacturing Engineers...my most effective "Engineers" are the "People" engineers that deal with the day-in and day-out part of the human process of manufacturing...
And to me...that best sums up Coach Tomlin's value to the Pittsburgh Steeler organization...
He is a engineer of People and manages what must be an extremely difficult thing to do with the people/players/coaches large ego's and relationship issues that he deals with day-in and day-out, that are vital to LEAD a large group of people to be successful and achieve long-term goals and commitments,...
This is why I consider Mike Tomlin currently a very good and moving the arrow if you will to being considered a great coach in the NFL...
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so far these past few weeks coach tomlin has been force-feeding crow down my throat, i must admit it. if we actually go on to do the unthinkable, i won't hesitate to come on here and say i was wrong, and that i won't say another word ever about him, as long as he's the coach. BUT, if we come out looking like lost puppies in our home playoff game and **** our pants, my ire will be re-stoked for sure.
You're mistaken. The Steelers missed the playoffs 5 times in 15 years under Cowher; the longest stretch was 3 years, not 4, from 1998-2000.
And he never, at any point in his career, went five years with only 1 playoff win.
And, once Ben arrived, get a load of this...Cowher never had a losing year! Went 34-14 in the regular season, 5-1 in the playoffs, and won one Super Bowl. All better percentages than Mikey has put up with a more mature Ben. Imagine that!
What aggravates me is their misuse of spiking the ball in end-of-game or -half situations.
Like yesterday, after the completion to Rogers (a beautiful catch, btw) on the 19, they could have called their last timeout with 50 seconds left. Instead, they take it down to :41 and spike it. So, in a game where you're behind by three, you've given away a down in a situation where if you don't make ten yards on the next two plays, you have to kick the FG. 50 seconds is plenty of time...the extra down is so much more important in this scenario, simply because a touchdown wins the game, and a field goal only ties it.
The Steelers mismanage the clock this way all the time, and it's infuriating. They thankfully won the game on a Herculean play by Brown, so the vast majority of people don't notice or care. But it's bitten them before and it will again.
^ This dude thinks we should have burned all our TO when the ravens had the ball.
None of us were coaching on the side line, during the game.
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One big problem with all the Tomlin criticism is none of us have ever coached on an NFL sideline.
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And I guess he's the only NFL coach with a franchise QB who's ever done that. How about Belechek?
Three years ... that makes it better. So, three years not making the playoffs means he DID go three years without any playoff win.
As far as the THREE whole years that you're pointing to that Cowher had Ben, that's a pretty small sample size in comparison to the years that Tomlin has had with Ben. Also, Cowher had that veteran team pretty much in place when Ben arrived. He wasn't tasked with rebuilding on the fly with Ben eating up a nice chunk of the salary cap. Different situations require different solutions and most often lead to different results.
Look, Cowher was, like Tomlin, a very good coach. An "All-Time Great"? ... possibly that too, although his record in AFC Championship games where the Steelers were favored sticks out against him. As does the fact that he only took his teams to two lowB repuSs in his entire tenure. Some will say "he didn't have a real QB" ... Why didn't he go out and get better than Tomczak, Graham, et. al. then? Not hating on Cowher, because like I said, he is/was a very good coach ... I know he had me fired up with the chin and the spitting and all that.
Edit: And if you compare Tomlin's first two years with Ben, etc. to Cowher's last two years, you'll find that Tomlin did more with the same players.
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How do you define "better"?
They have the same record in the Superbowl, 1-1. and Tomlin has a better winning percentage .642 vs .623
You just don't like the guy. Your opinion isn't based on football.