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Bradshaw on MT

Acereros said:
Tomlin is no way near Cowher. Under Cowher, the Steelers nearly always were contenders for the SB, even without a franchise QB.

You probably don't know much about the Steelers, because most fans know that if the Steelers had selected Grimm or Whiz or any other coach, they would still be here too. That doesn't make Tomlin better than them.
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Except for the 4 years in a row that they missed the playoffs under Cowher, you mean?

As for whether Grimm (who was never REALLY in consideration btw) or Whiz would still be here. Possibly, But, that's pure conjecture. What we do have to go on is their respective resumes since they weren't chosen. it ain't pretty. Their respective resumes (is Grimm even still coaching?) is what makes Tomlin better than them, at least on paper; and that's all the evidence we have to go by.

As for the attempted slight ... I'll ignore it. lmao
 
SteveA said:
A coaches job or a Managers is to take care of what you are given. To get the most out of them and use their God-given abilities to the best....

Phil Jackson was considered a care-taker, hell so was Red Auerbach.....

Noll was a HALL OF FAMER, but he had a stacked team.....He had these Hall of famers on his team and NO FREE AGENCY to deal with.....

Joe Greene
Jack Ham
Mel Blount
Terry Bradshaw
Franco Harris
Jack Lambert
Mike Webster
Lynn Swann
John Stallworth
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And who gave Noll these great players?
 
Acereros said:
Tomlin is no way near Cowher. Under Cowher, the Steelers nearly always were contenders for the SB, even without a franchise QB.

You probably don't know much about the Steelers, because most fans know that if the Steelers had selected Grimm or Whiz or any other coach, they would still be here too. That doesn't make Tomlin better than them.
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There were people on this very board who wanted Cowher fired the night he won the SB.
 
Acereros said:
And who gave Noll these great players?
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He had help. A great scouting department. They helped Noll.. otherwise there would of been no Immaculate reception. Noll wanted Newhouse. Noll also had to be convinced to to wait on Stallworth and take Swann first..otherwise we only have one.

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antdrewjosh said:
He had help. A great scouting department. They helped Noll.. otherwise there would of been no Immaculate reception. Noll wanted Newhouse. Noll also had to be convinced to to wait on Stallworth and take Swann first..otherwise we only have one.

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Shhhh ... Remember, he's the guy telling other guys that they "probably don't know much about the Steelers" .... You're ruining his gig here. lol
 
antdrewjosh said:
He had help. A great scouting department. They helped Noll.. otherwise there would of been no Immaculate reception. Noll wanted Newhouse. Noll also had to be convinced to to wait on Stallworth and take Swann first..otherwise we only have one.

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Of course he had help. I was replying to the suggestion that Noll "had been given all that talent"........
 
I knew this would bring out the hate for Bradshaw and the race baiters that respond to any criticism of Mr Tomlin the cries of "THATS RACIST!"

The fact is Mr Tomlin has improved some as a coach. The fact also remains that he was an affirmative action hire that was deeply out of his depth at first, who still to this day makes a lot of game day gaffes and suffers from horrible clock management. He is an average coach that has been the beneficiary of good assistants and some great players to include a HOF caliber quarter back.
 
"I don't think he's a great coach at all," Bradshaw said. "He's a nice coach. He's really a great cheerleader guy. I don't know what he does, but I don't think he's a great coach at all.

"His name never even pops in my mind when we think about great coaches in the NFL." - Bradshaw
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Well, isn't he right? Tomlin does zero sideline coaching, has a headset but hardly talks into it, and supposedly was an expert 4-3 cover two type of guy, which is a type of defense we never featured.

His record vs bad teams is well documented.
 
Acereros said:
And who gave Noll these great players?
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Watch Chuck Noll a football life, and you'll see how good of a coach he was. Very sharp. Saw all. A teacher.
 
DBS1970 said:
I knew this would bring out the hate for Bradshaw and the race baiters that respond to any criticism of Mr Tomlin the cries of "THATS RACIST!"

The fact is Mr Tomlin has improved some as a coach. The fact also remains that he was an affirmative action hire that was deeply out of his depth at first, who still to this day makes a lot of game day gaffes and suffers from horrible clock management. He is an average coach that has been the beneficiary of good assistants and some great players to include a HOF caliber quarter back.
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So, you're saying that the Rooney's hired Tomlin to coach there team based on affirmative action. Never mind the FACT that they had already satisfied the "Rooney Rule" before even interviewing him. If that's your take, so be it. Doesn't bother me a bit. Probabaly could use a few more "affirmative action" hires in the league. Now, "good assistants" ... As I recall, more than a few wanted every OC under Tomlin before Haley run out of town. Special Teams coaches have been horrible. OL coaches terrible. And many were ready to tar and feather Carnell Lake last season and at the beginning of this season. Never mind the LeBeau needs to go sentiments. Now all of the sudden Tomlin has benefited from "good assistants" ...

Question, if today's game plan sucks, will it be Tomlin's fault or the fault of those "good assistants". History says if it's a good game plan, the assistants did a wonderful job. If it's terrible? "Tomlin, Tomlin, Tomlin"
Is Tomlin an "All-Time Great"? Nope. Not yet. He's on that path though. Is he one of the best of his era? Yep. So, that was one helluva unnecessary "affirmative action" hire.
 
I'm on the Tomlin isn't a GREAT coach but a little above average. I don't care what color he is. He has to many gaffs to be a great coach. When you add up the in game non adjustments. The clock management, the poor drafting, the playing down to competition continuously, the non-participate in game mode...... This is just a few but add up to to many things to be considered great. How about doing NOTHING for the OL for about 5 years?? How about this "D" being a bad one for the last 2-4years?? Just to many things that add up. Excuses are3 just that, excuses. Is he not the head coach???





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SteelBuckeye said:
So, you're saying that the Rooney's hired Tomlin to coach there team based on affirmative action. Never mind the FACT that they had already satisfied the "Rooney Rule" before even interviewing him.
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Doesn't matter. They'd still look like hypocrites if they didn't hire a black guy, so that was going to happen no matter what.
I also come down on the side that he is a good coach but not a great coach. Lower end of the top ten in the NFL. You can't name 25 head coaches that are better but you can easily name 25 who are worse. Still loses too many games that he shouldn't lose to inferior teams. Too many misses on defensive draft picks.
 
paperclip said:
Not true
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He feels if he repeats it enough it will be ... or at least the perception will take hold. Professional jealousy from one "Coach" to another.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Doesn't matter. They'd still look like hypocrites if they didn't hire a black guy, so that was going to happen no matter what.
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It's a business at the end of the day they were gonna hire the guy they thought was best moving forward whether he was black or white. To think they'd hire a black guy just so they wouldn't look like hypocrites borders on ridiculous.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Doesn't matter. They'd still look like hypocrites if they didn't hire a black guy, so that was going to happen no matter what.
I also come down on the side that he is a good coach but not a great coach. Lower end of the top ten in the NFL. You can't name 25 head coaches that are better but you can easily name 25 who are worse. Still loses too many games that he shouldn't lose to inferior teams. Too many misses on defensive draft picks.
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Thats all true of course but you are a RACIST!!!!!!!111 for saying it.

And SteelBuckeye,

The buck always stops with the man in charge win or loose.
 
Ron Rivera being interviewed satisfied the "minority" criteria. Tomlin was whom they interviewed after later. This is conveniently ignored by some.
 
DBS1970 said:
Thats all true of course but you are a RACIST!!!!!!!111 for saying it.

And SteelBuckeye,

The buck always stops with the man in charge win or loose.
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So the personnel buck stops with the man in charge of personnel? I'm sure you're aware that would include the GM ... You know Colbert; the person many of y'all seem to think doesn't really do anything. As evidenced by the lack of mentions of his name when discussing the draft, FA, or any personnel gains and losses.
As far as the buck stopping with the head guy for wins and losses ... sure ... and so far the buck has stopped with Tomlin reaching 100 wins in 10 seasons, 1 Super Bowl title and a trip to another, rebuilding the offense and in the process of rebuilding the defense while making the playoffs the last two years (let's make it three in a row today).
Game time soon ... Holla at y'all later.
 
blitzburghv5 said:
Ron Rivera being interviewed satisfied the "minority" criteria. Tomlin was whom they interviewed after later. This is conveniently ignored by some.
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SEE RON BURGUNDY'S POST ABOVE.

I suspect you would have been calling the Rooneys racist if they had hired a white coach after obeying the letter of the law in regard to the league rule that bears their name.
 
DBS1970 said:
SEE RON BURGUNDY'S POST ABOVE.

I suspect you would have been calling the Rooneys racist if they had hired a white coach after obeying the letter of the law in regard to the league rule that bears their name.
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Why would anyone think of calling the Rooneys racist? They were one of the first teams to start a black QB, hire a black Coordinator and they have a great track record of supporting minority charities. Anyone who knows these things; which is most Steelers fans, wouldn't think to call the Rooneys racist no matter who they chose to coach the team. The fact is that many of y'all just can't accept the fact that they:

1. Satisfied the letter of the "Rooney Rule" when they interviewed Rivera. and,
2. Still chose Tomlin over whomever it was you desired at the time.

So, it "HAD" to be because of affirmative action. Rather than, as ARII and Dan have said, because they were most impressed by Tomlin. Those lying Rooneys.
 
DBS1970 said:
SEE RON BURGUNDY'S POST ABOVE.

I suspect you would have been calling the Rooneys racist if they had hired a white coach after obeying the letter of the law in regard to the league rule that bears their name.
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I don't need to revisit his post.....it makes no sense in that why would an owner, make a gamble and risk the future of the franchise's success and just randomly interview, and hire a guy just to satisfy a criteria and fill the position because you supported a hiring rule ? "Oh ill just hire a black coach just so that I can say I hired one and my critics will be silenced". Tomlin was NOT an affirmative action hire. He was A GREAT HIRE. The body of work speaks for itself. Truth owes no explanation.

Look at all the owners that WISHED the Steelers had taken Russ Grimm or Whiz.

I would consider the Rooneys racist if they demonstrated via verbage or hinted that a minority COULD NOT successfully lead their team.
 
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