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Bills Likely to Rest Starters Too -- McDermott Outmaneuvers Tomlin

The Cheifs have been close to losing their last 3 games...I say they WILL NOT WIN THE Super Bowl


I have an employee who is cheifs fan and he begs to differ but I'm in this boat as well. The Cheifs are a force to be reckoned with but I say someone knocks them out. The playoffs are a different bread of game and yes,.......anything can happen. I'm going with my STEELERS all the way and Kansas City best hope they don't meet us.




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Be careful what you wish for. If the Bills want the Browns as an opponent, here is another take. With the Browns COVID outbreak, they infect the Bills team in the first round of playoff games and a depleted Bills team loses their next game. The last thing I want to do in the playoffs is face a team with COVID issues that could knock out some of your key players due to COVID protocols.
 
I may be wrong, but I think that the point of topseed’s argument is that the time off didn’t need to be communicated. Tomlin could have chosen to stay silent, or even slyly make references to starters playing to compete for the better seed, just to keep the Bills off balance and potentially force them to compete in their game for a better position. Why publicly admit a strategy to rest players when you don’t need to do that? It’s similar to announcing a scheduled time and place to attack an enemy, or withdraw from a theater of combat on such schedule, in wartime. Strategically, if genuine, it’s not a good idea. The only reason such an admission might ever be a good idea would be to throw the enemy off, and to then do something different in the hopes of achieving surprise.

Clearly the second case isn’t in effect here, as the Steelers have little to gain and much to lose by playing starters against the covid infested Browns (which, I think, is the way the NFL ends up screwing the Steelers the most by forcing the game to go forward and risking a subsequent covid outbreak for the Steelers, in response to the other thread). Personally, I don’t think it matters much which seed either team gets, as so much is in doubt in terms of team performances this week and the resulting seeding for all the teams in play, even if all starters were available and playing. That said, I appreciate topseed’s line of thought. There should be plenty of room here for opinions we don’t agree with; that’s what makes life interesting. Our record of postseason underachievement over the past decade definitely doesn’t point to settled science on strategic or tactical decision making.

At the end of the day, the Steelers need to beat whomever is put in front of them, which may be the Ravens, then the Bills, then the Chiefs, to get a ticket to the big dance. An even more important coaching analysis of Tomlin can be done when that path comes to its natural conclusion.

It's a little like the Steelers rushing to the podium every year to make their first round pick and not using all of the allotted time to entertain potential wild card offers or calls. The attitude of "we do what we do and don't worry about the other guys" permeates so much of this organization.

Topseed is in some good soil here.
 
I have an employee who is cheifs fan and he begs to differ but I'm in this boat as well.
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Remember earlier in the year we could've lost 3 games on the last drive...2 ON THE LAST PLAY? The Cheifs have been doing the same damn thing & NO ONE SAYS ****

**** the Chiefs...I want them to get their *** handed to them
 
He’s sitting his players so he will have an excuse for the loss Tua and the Dolphins we’re gonna bring. When we beat the Clowns, we secure the #2 seed. This is all according to plan.
 
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If Tomlin played Ben tomorrow, and he got hurt... every thread would be about what an idiot he was for risking Ben over nothing... and honestly, when Ben didn’t practice all week everyone would have known anyhow

If he played Ben tomorrow, it would confirm he has no idea what’s going on. If Ben got hurt, it might be time to hang them up.
 
Remember earlier in the year we could've lost 3 games on the last drive...2 ON THE LAST PLAY? The Cheifs have been doing the same damn thing & NO ONE SAYS ****

**** the Chiefs...I want them to get their *** handed to them

The Chiefs are a good team. They are super bowl contenders, tthey are also flawed and eminently beatable... people will run to point out the throws Ben makes that could have been picked off.. Mahomes has has a bunch of those in key situations this season that either were drops on easy picks or called back on a defensive penalty... in many of those cases, it easily could have turned a win into a loss

It only takes one of those in the playoffs to end a run...
 
I'll try to find the post on social media, but saw somewhere he's had 15 ints dropped this year, most in the nfl.
The Chiefs are a good team. They are super bowl contenders, tthey are also flawed and eminently beatable... people will run to point out the throws Ben makes that could have been picked off.. Mahomes has has a bunch of those in key situations this season that either were drops on easy picks or called back on a defensive penalty... in many of those cases, it easily could have turned a win into a loss

It only takes one of those in the playoffs to end a run...

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I already explained it. He now gets to rest his starters, still gets the #2 seed, and compels the Steelers to play their physical archrivals for the third time this season in the first round. Whichever team makes it out of that game (and I would guess Baltimore at this point) is going to be beat up, mentally drained, and weaker in round 2. Meanwhile, the Bills get to play Cleveland, a team which hasn't made the playoffs in almost 20 years, and is still dealing with Covid issues.

It's not equivalent, it's superior.

If Cleveland are as bad as you are making them out to be, then what makes you think they are guaranteed a win against the Steelers, even without Ben and a few other starters?
 
oh **** this is some bullshit.

Hell Miami might have beat a full strength Bills team....Cleveland could lose to a Steeler team starting some back ups

The bungles could stand up and beat the ratbirds

this thread is idiotic Tomlin hate at its finest

What's idiotic is putting your cards on the table first when you're not required to do so. Sure, Miami could beat the Bills at full strength in Buffalo in January. Sure they could. Everybody in here had Buffalo winning that game. I know it and you know it.

Seems I've gotten all of the Tomlin nuthuggers up in arms. I'm sure you'll all be kissing his *** again, even after the Ravens stomp the Steelers' guts out next weekend. After all, it was another non-losing season, right?
 
And if the Steelers win and the Bills lose? Bills resting starters seems a bit risky, especially since the Browns could potentially be without several starters due to Covid, which would even the playing field with us this Sunday.

That's a good point about there being some risk for the Bills. But the overall point is, even if Tomlin's plan was to rest his starters, he didn't need to announce it to the world early in the week. In fact, I don't think McDermott has officially announced anything yet.
 
to the contrary, the Dolphins are not out of the hunt. If they beat Buffalo, they're in and Baltimore is out.

That's not correct. If Baltimore and Miami both win, they are both in. Same with Cleveland. Indianapolis is the only team which is powerless if everyone else wins.
 
What's idiotic is putting your cards on the table first when you're not required to do so. Sure, Miami could beat the Bills at full strength in Buffalo in January. Sure they could. Everybody in here had Buffalo winning that game. I know it and you know it.

Seems I've gotten all of the Tomlin nuthuggers up in arms. I'm sure you'll all be kissing his *** again, even after the Ravens stomp the Steelers' guts out next weekend. After all, it was another non-losing season, right?

There are plenty of valid reasons to ***** about. This topic is not one of them. The ravens have lost twice to the Steelers this season why should the 3rd time be different? Hell if the games fall the right way the ravens will be watching from home anyway.

But hate away if it makes you feel better
 
What if the Steelers beat a depleted Browns team? The Ravens wouldn't be the Steelers 1st round opponent unless the Ravens lose and some other things happen.

So, what if the STEELERS win.................... ?
There is as good a possibility as that happening

I guess anything is possible. What I know for certain is: If the Steelers win, then they avoid Baltimore in the first round, and I'd much rather see them play Cleveland or Indianapolis.

If Cleveland are as bad as you are making them out to be, then what makes you think they are guaranteed a win against the Steelers, even without Ben and a few other starters?

I'm not making the Browns out to be bad, but they will have most if not all of their skill players back on offense. And "Ben and a few other starters" includes Ben and three of their best players (Watt, Heyward, and now Haden) on defense on top of the starting linebackers who are already missing -- you think their second string D is going to stop Cleveland at full strength? You think Mason Rudolph is going to move the ball, when the offense under Ben has looked like **** for most of the past four games? I don't, but I hope I'm wrong.
 
If Tomlin played Ben tomorrow, and he got hurt... every thread would be about what an idiot he was for risking Ben over nothing... and honestly, when Ben didn’t practice all week everyone would have known anyhow

Yes, because Ben has been consistently accurate lately, and didn't need to practice this week.
 
depending on the other games the rats could end up anywhere from 5th to 7th if they win with a loss they could be 6th or 7th based on the other games...

This is also incorrect. Please explain how the Ravens can finish in seventh if they win.
 
I doubt the Steelers are as afraid of the Ravens as you are.

I doubt it too. They are trained by Tomlin to only concern themselves with their own play. The opponents are always nameless gray faces. They do what they do. Works fine in the regular season, but as we've seen, not so much in the postseason lately.

And yes, I don't want the Steelers to play the Ravens for the third time, because a) they barely beat Baltimore a month ago when the other team was decimated, and b) the Ravens are playing very well right now.. If they do manage to win, as I've said before, they'll be weakened greatly, having outlasted another physical battle with their rivals.

But you go ahead and root for that matchup, tough guy.
 
The problems with that are:

1. My mother knew that Ben was out this game. As far as other starters, none were announced.
2. You could gleam who was going to be out on Wednesday when the practice report and injury reports were released. Just take a look at which starters didn't participate. You would have had to have the starters actually practice and then not play in order to even try to mask what you are doing. Which not only keeps the actual starters for this game from getting the reps they need, but also defeats the purpose of trying to get your "real" starters some rest. So, by playing "cutesy" games, you actually screw yourself.

1. Your mom sounds cool. None were "announced," but Dulac tweeted it on Wednesday. Why hasn't Buffalo announced anything official by now, here on Sunday at 3am? Because they don't have to, that's why. Not until the inactives come out.

2. You don't think they could have mixed reps with those guys? Pouncey, Heyward, Watt...these players are veterans, they're used to the grind of a long season -- so they not only get to take the game off, but they also don't have to practice all week, either? OK. You don't think Ben could use some more timing work with his young receiving corps? OK.
 
Be careful what you wish for. If the Bills want the Browns as an opponent, here is another take. With the Browns COVID outbreak, they infect the Bills team in the first round of playoff games and a depleted Bills team loses their next game. The last thing I want to do in the playoffs is face a team with COVID issues that could knock out some of your key players due to COVID protocols.

Good point. Hopefully the remaining Steelers starters who are indeed playing against the Browns today will come out unscathed.
 
There are plenty of valid reasons to ***** about. This topic is not one of them. The ravens have lost twice to the Steelers this season why should the 3rd time be different? Hell if the games fall the right way the ravens will be watching from home anyway.

But hate away if it makes you feel better

Because in the most recent game, the Steelers barely, and I mean barely beat a Ravens team without 12 starters and/or key contributors, including Jackson, Dobbins, Andrews, Snead, their top two centers, Campbell, Judon, and McPhee. And they needed a miraculous third down reception from James Washington to stave off a potential rally from Baltimore's third string quarterback. Plus the Ravens are peaking at the right time, so them watching from home is highly unlikely.

I simply brought up how I believe another coach went about this week in a more intelligent way. Hate is such a strong word, but if the Steelers go one-and-done in the playoffs yet again after an 11-0 start, then you'll see plenty of finger-pointing around here.
 
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Just like the adjustments made in the second half a few weeks ago, the Bills coach gets the better of Tomlin again, He let Tomlin put his cards on the table early in the week; now that McDermott knows the Steelers are resting Ben and other key starters, he'll do the same, and set up a first round matchup for his team with the struggling Browns. While forcing the Steelers to play the Ravens and beat the **** out of each other in the first round.

Smart move.

If Tomlin were to outmaneuver ANYONE, he'd hold who was going to play and rest for as long as we can. DUH. I do not want to play the Ravens in round one.

Why not hold that decision internally as long as you can?

With Randy calling the plays, and Rudy in, I expect to see some behind the line of scrimmage to 5 yard past the too often. Our WR's and TE's better watch out for hospital balls.
 
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Yes, because Ben has been consistently accurate lately, and didn't need to practice this week.

So now you understand the importance of having a healthy Ben for the playoffs instead of gimpy inaccurate Ben. That's how we get him back. With Ben at 100% we aren't losing in the first round.

Also we have no idea who we are playing or what our seeding will be. Only one team earns a bye, so Buf and Pit had to make their own to get ready for the games that matter. Steelers still may end up with the #2 seed, but at worst they will be #3. Then they have one of 4 teams that may play us. To say it is definitely the Ravens is a guess and speculative at best. We may face them, but we still have shots of facing the Browns, Cots, or Dolphins. We will find out tonight.
 
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