Ben in a walking boot?

[steelermania]

Maybe, but then if that's the case why were Bell and Harrison pulled, that's my only problem. Also why can't anyone question anything Tomlin does without being called a hater? AB had two bad drops, one resulted in an INT, oh no I'm an AB hater, it's a damn DISCUSSION board

Because the criticism by certain posters has been so consistent and over the top. "Worst coach in the league" and other nonsense like that. If you watch a lot of football, most of the stuff Tomlin gets slammed for is done around the league on a regular basis. Doesn't mean that he can't get knocked when he does it, but too many want to act like he's the only one who has any problems. Clock management for instance. Most coaches seem to struggle with this, but to hear some, only Tomlin does. When another coach screws up, these folks have a million excuses. Another is calling him terrible at challenges, when he's actually one of the best in the league at challenges.
I remember one hardcore Tomlin hater who didn't post for 6 months after we won the lowB repuS, yet I would see him regularly in the list of members online that the board we had back then used to display. I can't stand people who have a million opinions, but can never eat a little crow when they're wrong. It's not just here. These types are on all of the sports boards, and would rather see "their team" lose, so that they can complain, and rip all of the players, and coaches. It's sad.

Also, as for why Bell can go to the bench when Ben can't? Because Williams is good at his job, while Landry, not so much. The qb has to touch the ball every play. He has many more chances to screw up. This may be why no coaches seem to want to pull their starter. It just doesn't seem to be done any more.

 

[Coryea]

People seem line that because this is a Steeler board and we don't watch every other game of every other team. Same with Ben, people get in him even after an 18 point win, "why can't he throw it away like real qb's". Rodgers held the ball in the first half and took sacks, intentional grounding, and a sack that knocked them out if FG range.
The majority aren't calling Tomlin the worst coach and whatever, a few yeah, but this should be questioned, especially when he pulled others, imo it was great game plan and the team was ready to beat some ***, but it's ok to question this

 

[mdk2]

I really have no problem with Ben being in there until the end. My only problem is Ben scrambling and trying to throw the ball... just run the damn ball.
I believe Ben's main purpose of still being in the game is to make sure the snap from center to QB is secure, especially in that cold weather. IMO.
Anyways.. Ben is going to be fine and he will 100 percent be playing next weekend. Remember last year vs Broncos when he supposedly couldn't throw more than like 10-15 yards, then he comes out and slings it all over the field and threw for around 300 yards, I believe.

 

[blitzburghv5]

Well damn....if we are so worried about Ben getting hurt then just stop passing the ball...each drop back in every game poses a risk....TO EVERY QUARTERBACK.. What happened with 4 minutes in a game often happens with 4 or 14 or 24 minutes INTO a game.

If Ben is hobbled beyond the ability to play effectively, blame fate, bad luck........I refuse to cringe at every drop back with this Quarterback irregardless of what quarter or which minute. Cant play with fear...**** that. Its football.

Maybe Ben needs to take a page from Peyton...when the heat comes from the rush, just drop........

 

[bermudasteel]

Maybe, but then if that's the case why were Bell and Harrison pulled, that's my only problem. Also why can't anyone question anything Tomlin does without being called a hater? AB had two bad drops, one resulted in an INT, oh no I'm an AB hater, it's a damn DISCUSSION board

I'm not calling you anything...personally, I believe Ben has more control than it is assumed but that's me.

Pulling Ben would not have been a bad idea but it was not a necessary idea either...

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[RollRed]

He should've been out, why pull Bell and Harrison, and not Ben

Because a quarterback that's smart should be able to stay in the game with almost no risk of injury in that situation where as a linebacker or running back do not have that option. It's not that complicated. When you're up by that much with less than five minutes to go, you either:
A. Turn around and hand the ball off
OR
B. If you are going to throw, throw it away if nobody is open

Ben chose option C, which apparently is hold the ball ...hold the ball.. hold the ball... take a big hit as you are inexplicably throwing a horribly ill advised pass that gets picked off. This ankle injury is on him. Period.

 

[Stryker]

Ben started great. 10 for 10, 2 TDs, and a 3rd TD drive that was all Bell.

Then the other Ben showed up. His 11th pass was a terrible decision. It was completed, only after the defender failed to intercept it after getting both hands on it. Heads up play by James to make the catch, but the ball should have never been thrown there. The very next play was a pick.

So after going 11 for 11, Ben finished 2 for 7 with 2 interceptions. Plus he decided to run the ball on a play. We don't need Ben to run the football, especailly when a game is out of reach. We weren't throwing the ball much after the second half, and Landry could have been just as productive in this run first offense in the 4th quarter. After the first drive of the 4th, all the big players should have been pulled.

I think Harrison was pulled at the end as well, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Because the criticism by certain posters has been so consistent and over the top. "Worst coach in the league" and other nonsense like that. If you watch a lot of football, most of the stuff Tomlin gets slammed for is done around the league on a regular basis. Doesn't mean that he can't get knocked when he does it, but too many want to act like he's the only one who has any problems. Clock management for instance. Most coaches seem to struggle with this, but to hear some, only Tomlin does. When another coach screws up, these folks have a million excuses. Another is calling him terrible at challenges, when he's actually one of the best in the league at challenges.
I remember one hardcore Tomlin hater who didn't post for 6 months after we won the lowB repuS, yet I would see him regularly in the list of members online that the board we had back then used to display. I can't stand people who have a million opinions, but can never eat a little crow when they're wrong. It's not just here. These types are on all of the sports boards, and would rather see "their team" lose, so that they can complain, and rip all of the players, and coaches. It's sad.

Also, as for why Bell can go to the bench when Ben can't? Because Williams is good at his job, while Landry, not so much. The qb has to touch the ball every play. He has many more chances to screw up. This may be why no coaches seem to want to pull their starter. It just doesn't seem to be done any more.

I don't recall anyone ever saying he was the worst coach in the league.

Tomlin sucks.

 

[Steel G]

Because a quarterback that's smart should be able to stay in the game with almost no risk of injury in that situation where as a linebacker or running back do not have that option. It's not that complicated. When you're up by that much with less than five minutes to go, you either:
A. Turn around and hand the ball off
OR
B. If you are going to throw, throw it away if nobody is open

Ben chose option C, which apparently is hold the ball ...hold the ball.. hold the ball... take a big hit as you are inexplicably throwing a horribly ill advised pass that gets picked off. This ankle injury is on him. Period.

A pass play shouldn't have been called to begin with. I don't care if DWill had lost 20 yards on the first two carries, I would still give it to him again on third. The game is over, run the clock and punt and stop worrying about running up the score.

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[hook]

Not sure if a pass play was called for or if Ben audibled to it. Either way, Ben needs to take care of himself better. Throw the damn ball away.

 

[Steelers1356]

I have no problem with Ben being in there but only to hand off. Run the clock down to under 4 minutes with a deep punt, Miami then needs 2 TD's with two 2 point conversions plus a FG to win, and that includes recovering 2 onside kicks. No reason to pass there just kill the clock. If we're only up by a TD it's a different story.

 

[obxsteeler]

He will be a dumb **** to most no matter what he does of that I'm convinced

I really don't think he's a dumb f--k to most-only to a certain select group of dumb f--k's who have nothing else of value to post about.

 

[MTC]

Ben will be fine guys. R-E-L-A-X

 

[ark steel]

Because a quarterback that's smart should be able to stay in the game with almost no risk of injury in that situation where as a linebacker or running back do not have that option. It's not that complicated. When you're up by that much with less than five minutes to go, you either:
A. Turn around and hand the ball off
OR
B. If you are going to throw, throw it away if nobody is open

Ben chose option C, which apparently is hold the ball ...hold the ball.. hold the ball... take a big hit as you are inexplicably throwing a horribly ill advised pass that gets picked off. This ankle injury is on him. Period.

That's just the thing. We don't know whether they ran the play that was called from the sideline or if Ben chose a play because he thought he saw something that turned out to not be there. I doubt the coaches would throw him under the bus to say that is what happened.

Preconceived notions are what they are.

 

[BAS]

Ego. Ego that overrides everything, including common sense.

Is Tomlin a bad coach for letting Ben stay in the game while McCarthy is not while letting Aaron stay in the game under the same circumstances (passing with less than 5 minutes left in game while leading by 3 scores?

I think the differences between Ben and Aaron in those scenarios is that Aaron has better escapability and more accuracy on the run.

But they are exactly the same when it comes down to Ego.

Ben was embarrassed by Miami earlier in the season.
Aaron was embarrassed twice in the playoffs at home against the Giants.

Ego, pure and simple.

 

[Coryea]

Ben plays that way, I know it, you know it, Tomlin knows it, that's why you pull him, to protect himself from himself

 

[Omar10213245]

No worries ... the Steelers found the solution:

lol that was great

 

[Spike]

Ben will be fine guys. R-E-L-A-X

NO!

I woke up even more furious with Tomlin!

The coach's job is to protect players from themselves - he failed.

3 ******* minutes left in a blow-out!!!!!!!!!! - the fault is ALL his!

Hocccckkkkkkkk spit

 

[SteelBuckeye]

NO!

I woke up even more furious with Tomlin!

The coach's job is to protect players from themselves - he failed.

3 ******* minutes left in a blow-out!!!!!!!!!! - the fault is ALL his!

Hocccckkkkkkkk spit

Seems to me that some of y'all keep moving the bar as far as what "the coach's job" is.
First it was to do better than 8-8 with no losing seasons (check)
Then it was to get into the playoffs again (check)
Rebuild the defense (partial check. work still to be done)
High powered offense (check)
Rebuilt offensive line (check)
Win a playoff game once you get to the tourney (check, check)
Get the B's on the field at the same time for a playoff run (check)
Make a run to the SB (waiting to see this accomplished)
.......
Now its:
babysit the players during their time away from the facility and/or team

Protect the players from themselves because the player, a grown assed professional football player is prone to do dumb **** from time to time. Like not throw the ball away when the play breaks down. (Seriously, what happens if Ben just chucks the ball away there as soon as he sees the play has gone to ****? An intentional grounding call? Ooooh, that's terrible).

 

[blitzburghv5]

Ben plays that way, I know it, you know it, Tomlin knows it, that's why you pull him, to protect himself from himself

Then WHY EVEN PLAY HIM if youre scared of a freak injury....that injury could've happened during any dropback...hell, he could turn an ankle by having his lineman step on his foot when he pulls back to hand it off. We are making too big a deal out of this....the NFL Network just reported its nothing to worry about....the boot is just a precautionary measure...he was looked at already....

STEELER NATION: NFL NETWORK SAYS HES FINE...DOCTORS EXAMINED HIM....NO DAMAGE.--- lets prepare for the Chiefs 2 more wins til Houston

 

[Hines57]

Up 24, put in Landry and let him hand off 3 times to De'Angelo. As soon as we went up 24 Ben should have been pulled. We need to protect our big 3 when they don't need to be on the field.

 

[miiike]

Most on the board and most paid commentators seem to agree that Ben should not have been in the game at that point. I also think he should have been pulled and said as much to my friends with more than 10 minutes left in the 4th. However, you see time and again teams leaving their QB in games in this situation. I do not raise this latter point as a defense of Tomlin’s decision, but to raise a question. Why is it that something that seems obvious to people who are not actually coaching or playing is not done routinely by those coaching or playing? Is there something we just do not understand or is it simply that the players and coaches get too caught up in the game and lose perspective? There are other examples of this type of divergence in what fans/commentators think and coaches/players do, such as clock management.

I certainly do not have an answer, but find it interesting.

 

[Stainless]

Then WHY EVEN PLAY HIM if youre scared of a freak injury....that injury could've happened during any dropback...hell, he could turn an ankle by having his lineman step on his foot when he pulls back to hand it off.

I'm sorry, but that's a ridiculous counter argument to anyone positing that it would have been prudent to have Ben, Bell, Brown etc. on the bench at that point in the game.

 

[Coryea]

Then WHY EVEN PLAY HIM if youre scared of a freak injury....that injury could've happened during any dropback...hell, he could turn an ankle by having his lineman step on his foot when he pulls back to hand it off. We are making too big a deal out of this....the NFL Network just reported its nothing to worry about....the boot is just a precautionary measure...he was looked at already....

STEELER NATION: NFL NETWORK SAYS HES FINE...DOCTORS EXAMINED HIM....NO DAMAGE.--- lets prepare for the Chiefs 2 more wins til Houston

I've already said he's fine. You play him to win games, up 3 scores with 5 mins to go, better safe than sorry right? Why did bell and Harrison sit?

 

[coupon]

I think y'all are over analyzing this