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Awww, we lost

I think our safeties are the weakest part of our Defense. Both of them.

I think our linebackers are "OK" Shaziers could be something special if he could stay healthy.. the rest adequate,,

Cockrell isn't bad,, artie is a rookie..

I just think our safeties are really lacking in run support and in their angles. ie against Wallace last week on that long pass play.
 
It's not so much that they lost to a 7-1 team, but it's the same way they have lost to 1-7 teams. Offense can score 30+ and the defense can't protect ANY sized lead in the 4th qtr.

Yes the D is our main problem. Davis looked better yesterday so maybe he is ready to transition to the SS role. Dupree needs to get on the field and be effective immediately tho because we have NO rush. I think our secondary gets exposed a lot because of that. And man we need someone with sand in their pants up the middle because Elliot is good but we made him look like Barry Sanders or Walter Payton.
 
His play calling? I thought Haley was the OC. Our offense put up 30 points on a team that hasn't given up more than 23 to any tam all year, and you blame the QB? You have the stupidity to call me dense?

What SDS, and me, are referring to is this...

Had we thrown Bell in the mix, RUNNING the ball, just a little bit, could have run more time off the clock (on our final drive w/ the go ahead touchdown) - there would have been less time for the Cowboys to come back...
 
yeah he was a product of a elite Panther D at the time, the pass rush made him look more attractive than he really was.

A big swing and miss.

beside a NT and a OLBer a FS is needed.


3 needs besides a new D coach. Won't all come from the draft........... Just too many holes.

Why I HATED the Butler promotion.

I pondered this all night...I'm not so sure that Coach Butler is what we need next year---the passive aggressive system allows way too many yards and big plays, IMO...
 
What SDS, and me, are referring to is this...

Had we thrown Bell in the mix, RUNNING the ball, just a little bit, could have run more time off the clock (on our final drive w/ the go ahead touchdown) - there would have been less time for the Cowboys to come back...

Last week everyone bitched when we ran the ball instead of putting it in Ben's hands earlier, now they complain when we don't run the ball more. Score how you can when you can, if the defense cannot handle 42 seconds then the offense is not to blame. If we had tried running the ball and fumbled or not gotten the TD, people would be on here saying Ben can't lead game winning drives anymore. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 
we have the perfect Tomlin -play Flat-lay an egg game this week. At browns. Can you say 5 in a row?
 
lol@bud dupree is at practice.
oh, THAT bud dupree?
bud dupree who started out hot, then was completely invisible teh rest of the season?
you are right
championship



step away from the crack pipe
 
I will say this too there was some blatant PI and illegal contact/holding going on from the Cowboys secondary that went uncalled all game long. The one two pointer, Brown was pretty much tackled out of the end zone before the ball was thrown, and how about the one to Green where the ref was literally looking at him the entire time?! And my ******* God, Troy Aikman was a bleeding vagina last night and did not offer a fair broadcast one big.

True, Brown on Brown crime all over the field. Since when does a 6th rounder get free reign to mug one of the best receivers in the league with no penalties called? The standard is the standard obviously...just like holding Harrison used to never garner a penalty because of his dominance now we get to watch the same **** show from the zebras allowing anything to slow down Brown? Wth is going on here?

And I'm not saying the refs even cost us that game, we did plenty to blow it on our own accord, but there was some serious mugging going on out there yesterday.

agree on Brown mugging
 
The OP is pounding his chest about supporting the team through mediocre football. I love the team but I also demand excellence.
 
lol@bud dupree is at practice.
oh, THAT bud dupree?
bud dupree who started out hot, then was completely invisible teh rest of the season?
you are right
championship



step away from the crack pipe


not to mention the guy will come back rusty, because that is a significant amount of time missed from a newish player still finding his way
 
We lost. Did that hurt some of your bleeding *******? Listen up *******, it's been worse, a lot worse, and this team just took a 7 and 1 team, I daresay, a possible SB contending team down to the wire. The defense **** the bed. No way, say it ain't so! This all star amazing d?

We knew this year was gonna be rough on d, it has been. We also knew the **** brick against Miami was gonna hurt, as well as whatever the **** that was in Baltimore. It has. But we control our destiny. We have the browns twice, and the Ravens again, and if you think the ******* rat birds are winning out, well, go to their board. This thing is far from over, on to next week.


Joe


Joe, sorry to say, but this is a ill-fitted post. The point isn't - and never was - about this not being the all-time worst season. The reason their is legit cause for vexation is because this team had legitimate hopes and aspirations as a true contender.....and instead of those hopes seeming possible, the team is playing well-below expectations...WELL-BELOW. And we have a franchise QB who's window is closing. And who the hell knows when we will have another franchise QB when Ben hangs it up (We had a period of over 2 decades transpire from Bradshaw to our next franchise QB. We could be looking at another 20 years before we find another one; think about that.)

NONE of us who post here thought we'd be looking at 4-5 at this point, with 4 out of the next 5 games on the road. There is a legit cause for exasperation, whether you want to admit that truth or not. And with our QB coming out and saying the team lacks accountability and urgency, it is easy to say where the failure of this team lies: head coach. He has lost control of this team; they do not believe in him. He is not a leader of men. He offers nothing but words, no action. When your example of taking action is not allowing ping pong and air hockey, you are weak and feckless. No one fears that they have to be accountable for lack of effort or focus. Why? Because they don't. This coach is too busy being buddies with the players, instead of laying down the law, like Hoodie, Jimmy Johnson, Parcells, Noll, Gibbs, et al. He offers no substance, just catch phrases and cool shades.
 
We started a rookie at corner against Bryant. And came within 45 seconds of the win.

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And for that, we win a big bow with cheap flowers intertwined. Where was the safety help? Oh, they were blitzing in an effort of ineptness. Once again, coaching failure. You don't leave a rookie CB on a top 5 WR all day long. That is a loser game plan, but that is what our coaches keep coming up with: loser game plans.
 
Joe, sorry to say, but this is a ill-fitted post. The point isn't - and never was - about this not being the all-time worst season. The reason their is legit cause for vexation is because this team had legitimate hopes and aspirations as a true contender.....and instead of those hopes seeming possible, the team is playing well-below expectations...WELL-BELOW. And we have a franchise QB who's window is closing. And who the hell knows when we will have another franchise QB when Ben hangs it up (We had a period of over 2 decades transpire from Bradshaw to our next franchise QB. We could be looking at another 20 years before we find another one; think about that.)

NONE of us who post here thought we'd be looking at 4-5 at this point, with 4 out of the next 5 games on the road. There is a legit cause for exasperation, whether you want to admit that truth or not. And with our QB coming out and saying the team lacks accountability and urgency, it is easy to say where the failure of this team lies: head coach. He has lost control of this team; they do not believe in him. He is not a leader of men. He offers nothing but words, no action. When your example of taking action is not allowing ping pong and air hockey, you are weak and feckless. No one fears that they have to be accountable for lack of effort or focus. Why? Because they don't. This coach is too busy being buddies with the players, instead of laying down the law, like Hoodie, Jimmy Johnson, Parcells, Noll, Gibbs, et al. He offers no substance, just catch phrases and cool shades.
I see that, and I agree. We should not be here, I don't want this team to be here, but here we are. I do however still see hope for the afc north champ chances, and from there who knows. I won't write this season off till we are mathematically eliminated, I just don't work that way. Never have been able to. So, we will see.


Joe

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Pretty much. The "Steeler system" died in 2010, guess they haven't figure that out 6 years later.

Those were my exact thoughts. The old Steeler system relied HEAVILY on WRs being tattooed after they caught the ball, making them inept as the game wore on, due to them getting afraid of the hits. Those hits aren't legal anymore, so that entire system is inept. How did our entire coaching staff not see as a reality and react appropriately? That miscalculation travels all the way up to the GM and ownership.
 
I see that, and I agree. We should not be here, I don't want this team to be here, but here we are. I do however still see hope for the afc north champ chances, and from there who knows. I won't write this season off till we are mathematically eliminated, I just don't work that way. Never have been able to. So, we will see.


Joe

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Joe, I do not fault you for this mentality, and, even though my words my not reflect it, I actually haven't totally quit hoping for a turnaround this season, although I find it unlikely. But I don't fault you for not giving up hope until we are mathematically out. A lot (most?) fans operate this way. A lot of us who are ranting are doing so from a need to vent. Entering this season, we had higher hopes since the 2010 season (and some would say this season had even more promise than the 2010 crew, who had key players getting too old). This season just smacks of incompetence at the coach level. To me, it has become more obvious than ever before that Tomlin is simply not competent. And, however much he is involved with what the D does, that area looks bad, real bad. Those endless blitzes didn't work all day long, and yet, they kept doing them, leaving a Pro Bowl WR single covered by a rookie. That game planning is imbecilic at best.
 
We played what may be the best team in the league to the wire.

In the previous 6 games, Dallas has won by an average of 13+ points. We kept it within 5 and with a ****** defense. We knew they were going to score 27+ coming into the game.

I expected a loss. it doesn't bother me, a lot, that it happened.
 
Joe, I do not fault you for this mentality, and, even though my words my not reflect it, I actually haven't totally quit hoping for a turnaround this season, although I find it unlikely. But I don't fault you for not giving up hope until we are mathematically out. A lot (most?) fans operate this way. A lot of us who are ranting are doing so from a need to vent. Entering this season, we had higher hopes since the 2010 season (and some would say this season had even more promise than the 2010 crew, who had key players getting too old). This season just smacks of incompetence at the coach level. To me, it has become more obvious than ever before that Tomlin is simply not competent. And, however much he is involved with what the D does, that area looks bad, real bad. Those endless blitzes didn't work all day long, and yet, they kept doing them, leaving a Pro Bowl WR single covered by a rookie. That game planning is imbecilic at best.
But fans wanted Butler to blitz more. Coaches have come out and said the young guys weren't ready. Which is why they weren't blitzing.

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We played what may be the best team in the league to the wire.

In the previous 6 games, Dallas has won by an average of 13+ points. We kept it within 5 and with a ****** defense. We knew they were going to score 27+ coming into the game.

I expected a loss. it doesn't bother me, a lot, that it happened.

"Cleveland hasn't won a game all season and the Steelers were playing them on the road. We never play crappy teams well on the road. I knew we'd turn the ball over three times and look completely disoriented on offense. I expected a loss. It doesn't bother me."

My goodness how the standards have fallen for this team.
 
"Cleveland hasn't won a game all season and the Steelers were playing them on the road. We never play crappy teams well on the road. I knew we'd turn the ball over three times and look completely disoriented on offense. I expected a loss. It doesn't bother me."

My goodness how the standards have fallen for this team.

WTF? A winless team is the same as a team with one loss?

my goodness, the standards for analogies suck ***.
 
WTF? A winless team is the same as a team with one loss?

my goodness, the standards for analogies suck ***.

The defense plays average and allows 24 points and that's considered a good day. The team is expected to lose home games to New England and Dallas. James Harrison is still considered to be a star in the eyes of a lot of fans. Not long ago these things would be considered to be unacceptable for a team that was supposed to be one of the favorites in the AFC. I don't care that Dallas was in our place. They are a team with two (talented) rookies playing in our house. Sorry, but I still expect the Steelers to win that game.
 
The defense plays average and allows 24 points and that's considered a good day. The team is expected to lose home games to New England and Dallas. James Harrison is still considered to be a star in the eyes of a lot of fans. Not long ago these things would be considered to be unacceptable for a team that was supposed to be one of the favorites in the AFC. I don't care that Dallas was in our place. They are a team with two (talented) rookies playing in our house. Sorry, but I still expect the Steelers to win that game.

When so many teams are scoring 24 or more every week (usually 8-10 ever week), this ain't your grandpa's NFL, other teams are having trouble stopping teams from scoring, too. it is perspective. If they allow 24 to a team that averages 12, that isn't a good day. if they allow 24 to a team that averages 27+, why wouldn't you consider that a good outing?

With perspective and looking at Dallas' last several games, they are averaging over 430 ypg. Our ****** defense allowed 422. Doesn't make me happy, but knowing how badly Dallas is running over other teams, im somewhat mollified and hopeful they can pull it together against lesser teams (even though, they sometimes don't). When their D has averaged only around 320 yards and our O put up 448, I have hope.

When a team who had 30 penalties over a 3 game span, only has 4, I see improvement.

my life sucks. if I want doom and gloom, I don't have to watch football.
 
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