A Football Life- Bill Cowher

[slashsteel]

As for Jim Wexell, a word to the wise. He's a two time DUI loser, and a complete brown nose for some players, that is how he gets his tidbits. Mike Florio caught him in a lie.

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One mistake, on a DUI. Shame on him. Bad judgment. A second putting people life's in jeopardy twice that is different. He didn't learn a thing. What if you family was on the road that day? I know some one who was killed by a drunk diver. You have some nerve defending that crap.

He's really for censorship on the site you refer to by the way. Lots of banned posters know the deal. Just disagree with him in football context, and it won't end well for you over the course of time. I suppose if you pay for his web site, he’ll tolerate it a bit more.

Jim was booted out of a radio show by loud mouth Mark Madden of all people, and exposed as a liar by Mike Florio. See the link I posted. Unless you know him personally you can't say if he's sober or not.

He's a fair writer, but like I said a brown nosed homer, who forwards a political agenda at times. A sports writer should not talk politics. Sorry Steelworth nothing I wrote above is false.

Coach some days I enjoy what you put out. This isn't one of those days.

You are being extremely judgmental and Steelworth is spot on with what he said.

You are not looking good here. You should let this topic go and regroup.

 

[Steelworth]

One mistake, on a DUI. Shame on him. Bad judgment. A second putting people life's in jeopardy twice that is different. He didn't learn a thing. What if you family was on the road that day? I know some one who was killed by a drunk diver. You have some nerve defending that crap.

I never defended that. I defended the fact he made a mistake on a story. And 2 DUI's, I agree, that is no good. But the man got sober and changed his life. I understand the potential consequences of drunk driving and I'm just glad he wised up before anybody was hurt. But you're being a little too judgmental here and I think it's partly due to something else, but that's between you two. He is not for censoring people unless they blatantly deserve to be booted. And yes, he lost his cool with Mark Madden. I think the Steelers revoked his pass for a period because of it. And I've never met Jim Wexell but we've had conversations about music etc. and he always strikes me as lucid and articulate, so I don't think he's drunk.

Again, I said he was human and he's certainly made some mistakes, but he's a pretty damn good sports journalist who is always a pretty straight shooter (at least that's my experience) who has a great deal of knowledge of football and our beloved Steelers.

Peace and love, man.

 

[Coryea]

Ill say it again, Cowher coached a team with Neil Odonnell to the AFCCG twice, making the Super Bowl once.
Coached a team with Kordell at QB to two AFCCG'S.
And coached a team with a rookie QB to an AFCCG.
We finally were in a position to draft a franchise QB and we go to the AFCCG in year one, then win the Super Bowl in year 2.

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[Steelworth]

Ill say it again, Cowher coached a team with Neil Odonnell to the AFCCG twice, making the Super Bowl once.
Coached a team with Kordell at QB to two AFCCG'S.
And coached a team with a rookie QB to an AFCCG.
We finally were in a position to draft a franchise QB and we go to the AFCCG in year one, then win the Super Bowl in year 2.

It is pretty incredible when you think about it. What blows my mind (and some still say it's speculation but Rooney even said it in his book) was that he was going to pass up that franchise QB to draft Shawn Andrews, until Rooney stepped in. There are a shitload of examples in your post of why you need that franchise QB, and he still hadn't learned!

 

[Ike Kelly]

Kordell only started 5 years. And didn't start but 5 games in one of those years. He was benched for Tomczak in 1996. Also when the owner opens a new stadium and says "I want this to be called the house that Kordell built" then you are going to give him an opportunity to start. Especially when he went 13-3 the year before and made it to the AFCC game.

Vader, I thought Jim Miller got pulled for Tomczak that first game in 96. I remember Cowher’s “the team is defining roles” on his weekly presser.


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[Coach]

Coach some days I enjoy what you put out. This isn't one of those days.

You are being extremely judgmental and Steelworth is spot on with what he said.

You are not looking good here. You should let this topic go and regroup.

I won’t wish the pain of losing someone you love to a drunk driver on anyone.

Steelworth made some clarity on the issue.

Let’s just say the man has made some mistakes as a reporter that rubbed me the wrong way. A reporter should report facts, not make them up or lie. And he has no business pushing politics. If you like him go post on his site. He’s great at baiting stories then when you click on the link it says $$$ now. His ability on football is only fair.

Give it a try. They boot people over for mentioning the Rooney rule. You’ll make friends there quickly. Hint of sarcasm.







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[Coryea]

It is pretty incredible when you think about it. What blows my mind (and some still say it's speculation but Rooney even said it in his book) was that he was going to pass up that franchise QB to draft Shawn Andrews, until Rooney stepped in. There are a shitload of examples in your post of why you need that franchise QB, and he still hadn't learned!

He wasn't going to pass for sure, just wanted to discuss the possibility.

Chuck Noll wanted to draft Robert Newhouse instead of Franco Harris

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[Steelworth]

He wasn't going to pass for sure, just wanted to discuss the possibility.

Yeah it's probably speculation to say that Cowher was dead set on Andrews.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

I never defended that. I defended the fact he made a mistake on a story. And 2 DUI's, I agree, that is no good. But the man got sober and changed his life. I understand the potential consequences of drunk driving and I'm just glad he wised up before anybody was hurt. But you're being a little too judgmental here and I think it's partly due to something else, but that's between you two. He is not for censoring people unless they blatantly deserve to be booted. And yes, he lost his cool with Mark Madden. I think the Steelers revoked his pass for a period because of it. And I've never met Jim Wexell but we've had conversations about music etc. and he always strikes me as lucid and articulate, so I don't think he's drunk.

Again, I said he was human and he's certainly made some mistakes, but he's a pretty damn good sports journalist who is always a pretty straight shooter (at least that's my experience) who has a great deal of knowledge of football and our beloved Steelers.

Peace and love, man.

.08. One ******* beer. One and your over. I’m not drunk/buzzed after one beer.

 

[slashsteel]

I won’t wish the pain of losing someone you love to a drunk driver on anyone.

Steelworth made some clarity on the issue.

Let’s just say the man has made some mistakes as a reporter that rubbed me the wrong way. A reporter should report facts, not make them up or lie. And he has no business pushing politics. If you like him go post on his site. He’s great at baiting stories then when you click on the link it says $$$ now. His ability on football is only fair.

Give it a try. They boot people over for mentioning the Rooney rule. You’ll make friends there quickly. Hint of sarcasm.







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I have access there, but barely post there. I just like to read for the most part. I don't have to like or agree with everything.

Perhaps they are a little more sensitive than here. So it should make you appreciate SteelersNation even more.

I have no dog in your fight overall. Just don't care for slamming of his past problems. Other than that whatever.

 

[Ike Kelly]

...Cowher had an excellent relationship with his players. You can see it. Tomlin interacts with them far less on game day. A visible difference. Cowher also knew when to try a trick play. His instincts were better and he seldom lost with a lead. A better disciplinarian, I can't recall his teams leading the NFL in penalties.

As for Jim Wexell, a word to the wise. He's a two time DUI loser, and a complete brown nose for some players, that is how he gets his tidbits. Mike Florio caught him in a lie.

The BS is flowing freely again. You don’t know at all what goes on that locker room. During Cowher’s tenure and especially Tomlin. You don’t know his day to day process much less his pregame. You should know he shakes every player’s hand after the game before they enter the locker room win or lose.

Funny that you say one person caught another person in a lie.

It happens frequently with you on this board.


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[Vader]

Yeah it's probably speculation to say that Cowher was dead set on Andrews.

From the book Rooney said that Cowher, Colbert and others were discussing the pick. I don't believe Rooney said who wanted whom. He just hears the conversation move towards Andrews. It could have been Colbert that wanted Andrews. Rooney then steps in and moves the conversation back to Ben. He never tells them to pick Ben but they come to a consensus to draft him. So obviously Cowher signed off on it along with Colbert.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Tomlin doesn’t have good relations with some key players. Doesn’t he shun the term players coach. If he had their respect he would not have to discipline them as often as he does. Tomlin seems to change rules often, as such it’s harder to know what’s okay and what’s not.

Some coaches are just the type guys like to play hard for. Cowher was that type type of coach.

Although Cowher was not a top x’s and o’s coach, he did offer sideline coaching. That seems to be missing from Tomlin. During his tenure no team had a better record. That’s amazing if you look at who his quarterbacks were.

I hardly if ever seen Ben and Tomlin talk on the sidelines. That’s odd considering how long they know each other.

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Here’s Coaches proof that Tomlin “doesn’t have good relations with some key players” or “hardly if ever seen Ben and Tomlin talk on the sidelines”.

Week 10 https://sports.yahoo.com/micd-pitts...n-231216418.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=ma

Coach needs a BS meter for every post.


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[Coach]

I have access there, but barely post there. I just like to read for the most part. I don't have to like or agree with everything.

Perhaps they are a little more sensitive than here. So it should make you appreciate SteelersNation even more.

I have no dog in your fight overall. Just don't care for slamming of his past problems. Other than that whatever.

Same here. Steeler Nation is a better place for both football context and freedom to write. As for football writers, I've seen some negative comments here too.

I'll apologize for going overboard on Wexell's personal issues and hope no one here loses someone they love from a drunk driver. It will change you. That partly explains my initial reply. At the same time want to be clear I wasn't making anything up. Moving on from this topic...

 

[Stryker]

First Tomlin gets criticized for 'cheering with his players' then he's not a player's coach because he doesn't "talk to his players on the sideline"

Ladies and gentlemen, we have found Schrodinger's Coach!!

 

[Coach]

Here’s Coaches proof that Tomlin “doesn’t have good relations with some key players” or “hardly if ever seen Ben and Tomlin talk on the sidelines”.

Week 10 https://sports.yahoo.com/micd-pitts...n-231216418.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=ma

Coach needs a BS meter for every post.


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Ike, there is very little coaching, its mostly cheer leading and high five stuff on the sidelines after a good play. The only football I heard was double zoning from Tomlin, but he's not calling the play or talking to Ben about it. This really impressed you??? Wow.

When was the last time you saw Ben and Tomlin talking on the side about football strategy? Tomlin doesn't have a play chart. He's active all right often with the officials sometimes to his detriment. I urge you to listen to what other head coaches say. You might notice a difference.

And spare me Ike, your so full of it, you must have flush handles for ears. Anything to defend Tomlin if your motto...

 

[slashsteel]

Ike, there is very little coaching, its mostly cheer leading and high five stuff on the sidelines after a good play. The only football I heard was double zoning from Tomlin, but he's not calling the play or talking to Ben about it. This really impressed you??? Wow.

When was the last time you saw Ben and Tomlin talking on the side about football strategy? Tomlin doesn't have a play chart. He's active all right often with the officials sometimes to his detriment. I urge you to listen to what other head coaches say. You might notice a difference.

And spare me Ike, your so full of it, you must have flush handles for ears. Anything to defend Tomlin if your motto...

I would say that would be a good question to Tomlin. Why is there no play chart?

That is where I get my thoughts about him not being a X and O coach....

IMO that probably puts more emphasis on having two good coordinators..

Which we already seen the difference in changing out one.

I will say on top of this is I have been happy with Tomlin for turning around the season.

As a end result I still would like to see a better

end result for the year..

 

[Stryker]

I do notice a difference between Tomlin and Cowher. Tomlin delegates responsibility. Cowher was more hands on. Both approaches can work. If you're hands on, you have to be an excellent strategist. To be a delegator, you have to select the correct coaches to give the responsibility to.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Ike, there is very little coaching, its mostly cheer leading and high five stuff on the sidelines after a good play. The only football I heard was double zoning from Tomlin, but he's not calling the play or talking to Ben about it. This really impressed you??? Wow.

When was the last time you saw Ben and Tomlin talking on the side about football strategy? Tomlin doesn't have a play chart. He's active all right often with the officials sometimes to his detriment. I urge you to listen to what other head coaches say. You might notice a difference.

And spare me Ike, your so full of it, you must have flush handles for ears. Anything to defend Tomlin if your motto...

Tool, my post was about your “Tomlin doesn’t have good relationships with his players” or “Why doesn’t Tomlin talk to Ben?”

The video shows he has all kinds of engagement with his players.

You talk about coaching. First off, any tape of coaching discussions with the coords or assistants wouldn’t released for public view. NFal films clears with the clubs what is released. Why would you allow everyone including your opponents hear you discuss game plans or strategy.

I don’t defend coaches. Their records speak for themselves. If they win that’s a positive. If they lose, I gauge how they rectify the problems. This franchise has been lucky enough to have one owner pick 3 highly successful coaches in close to 50 years. That’s all there is to say. You harmonize your interpretation of stats, stats and more stats? However the final stat that means something, other than NE, no other team has won more championships since 2000. NE is an asterisk anomaly, of course and we know why. Only NYG has matched us with appearances/wins. The other 29 franchises and their coaches have not. Period.

As for play charts.....Cowher didn’t have any, oh so I guess he was lousy at coaching too. As previously indicated, Belichick doesn’t either...not that it matters, Ernie gives the coords all the info they need.

To spell it out for your mush filed cranium, the fact is, unless the coach is calling the plays for the offense or defense, the coordinators themselves perform that job. With a game plan created and implemented by the HC up to the game. Reinforced to the players during practices (which Tomlin is heavily involved). On game day, the HC is connected to all of them via headset and can comment on a play selection, veto it or make a recommendation. I’ve sat in a couple of Coach LeBeau’s coaching classes, of which, he explained exactly this and the general process of what goes on during the off-season and during the week in season. So I’ll take his professional assessment of the role with far more objectivity than your opinion only, nonsensical commentary.

You like to make yourself feel like you know more than any other poster here. You believe that wholeheartedly in your world, but in actuality you’ve proven your football acumen is non-existent to average. You have consistently shown ineptitude in your observations of anything other than opinion. That’s right OPINION. Nothing else.

You flood this board the majority of the time with attention seeking threads. I know the mods and Justin gives you a pass because you cause traffic, but you are a non-contrib who lives as a troller who flame actual contributors to this board. Constantly reiterating what you believe is right, when often times you’ve been shown your viewpoint is flawed, even with your own facts.

I know you will try to flame a retort, with nothing of substance (as usual). But that’s fine, because you are nothing but banal space on this board, and easily laughed at.

It probably will be a shame when you are banned for a month because you won’t be there for most of us to be amused.

No ill will at all towards you Coach. If you have a lucid and coherent thought regarding football from valid objective reasoning, please by all means share it. Otherwise just shut your pie hole in the football forum. Your substance is about as favorable as the lint in your head.

 

[Stryker]

Don't look at this Coach. Tomlin is on film talking with his players, including Ben...

 

[black and gold apex]

No matter what you think of Bill, he gave the team some personality on the sidelines, he was in the game, he did not have the talent at QB Tomlin has and he had the Steelers competitive most years.

 

[FSF]

Cowher belongs in the Hall of Fame. **** anyone who says different


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[slashsteel]

Don't look at this Coach. Tomlin is on film talking with his players, including Ben...

Yes people can get that confused. He doesn't have a chart but he does interact with what he sees on the field to the players. I have no problem with him in that area.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Tomlin seems to be wearing his shades a little less and his "deer in headlights" kook has faded as well.............trending up





Salute the nation

 

[Coach]

Cowher belongs in the Hall of Fame. **** anyone who says different


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Cowher has 149 regular season wins, is 12-9 in the playoffs, and has 1 super bowl win. He's top 25 in just about every category but what separates him from other coaches is he did it with below average quarterbacks. If you add in his work as a commentator, he should make the hall of fame one day. Other coaches who did less and never had a championship team are in the hall of fame.