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#1 Pass Defense through Six Games...

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2017: 154 passing yards per game (#1)
2016: 243 passing yards per game (#16)
2015: 272 passing yards per game (#30)
2014: 253 passing yards per game (#27)

We obviously arent going to hold QB's under 160 yards throughout the entirety of the year, but it appears that we've made tremendous strides.

Have we finally righted this formerly sinking ship?
 
Thing is, teams are running like water through a noodle strainer on them. However that can be fixed more easily than a bad pass defense. I'll take that anyday.
 
I think there was a noticeable improvement in the pass defense once Burns became a regular in the secondary last season.

With the additions of Haden and Hilton in 2017, they have continued the improvement.

However, let's be honest. This defense will ultimately be judged by how it does against the Patriots.

Top rankings would ring kind of hollow if Brady ends up wiping his *** with the Steelers again.
 
They are improving. 2014 and 2015 couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs due to their inept pass D. This team can. The running game isn't killing us, big plays off breakdowns are. Those are fixable. We can stop the run, and we are stopping the pass. Not even the half way point, and there is still room for improvement on this #1 D! I'm all for it, and I'm rooting for D like it's a strength again. Because it is!!
 
They are improving. 2014 and 2015 couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs due to their inept pass D. This team can. The running game isn't killing us, big plays off breakdowns are. Those are fixable. We can stop the run, and we are stopping the pass. Not even the half way point, and there is still room for improvement on this #1 D! I'm all for it, and I'm rooting for D like it's a strength again. Because it is!!

For D, on 3rd and 4th down %, we are 7th (23rd and 18th in 2016). Unfortunately, we are 19th in RZ% and 24th in G2G (these were 4th and 2nd in 2016). Even being 28th in Rushing yards per play, we are 3rd in overall yards per play (we were 16th on ypp in 2016). We are 4th in ppg. (0th in 2016)
 
If that PPG stat stays around 4th all year, this team will probably finish no worse than 11-5. Oddly, the defense isn't why they have 2 bad losses of their resume. If the offense can actually score tds in the RZ, they def' beat the Bears and the Jag game is very different.
 
I think we finally have the personal to mix up and disguise coverages. I think Haden/Burns/Hilton will be much more effective against the *s than GayCockBurns
 
2017: 154 passing yards per game (#1)
2016: 243 passing yards per game (#16)
2015: 272 passing yards per game (#30)
2014: 253 passing yards per game (#27)

We obviously arent going to hold QB's under 160 yards throughout the entirety of the year, but it appears that we've made tremendous strides.

Have we finally righted this formerly sinking ship?

With the additions of Haden and Hilton have helped a ton in coverage. Suddenly we have a good #2 and #3 corner. Teams do not test Burns too often, as he can make them pay.

The addition of Watt has helped the pass rush. These three new Steelers have been difference makers.

With Heyward and Tuitt Healthy, plus Harrison when needed, its hard to key on any man.

Our true test will be New England.
 
It's encouraging for sure. The run defense is a mindset &discipline....Good TACKLING goes a long long way.
 
Jax had what, 1 or 2 passes in the 2nd half against us? But they ran through our D. We have struggled in 1/3 of our games (Bears, Jags) against the run, specifically cut back runners. We need to get that handled so its not a continued issue.

Tuitt is now out for Sunday which means our DL will need to step up.
 
With the additions of Haden and Hilton have helped a ton in coverage. Suddenly we have a good #2 and #3 corner. Teams do not test Burns too often, as he can make them pay.

The addition of Watt has helped the pass rush. These three new Steelers have been difference makers.

With Heyward and Tuitt Healthy, plus Harrison when needed, its hard to key on any man.

Our true test will be New England.

And that other player in the secondary that plays every down? What's his name again? It's Sean something...
 
I think there was a noticeable improvement in the pass defense once Burns became a regular in the secondary last season.

With the additions of Haden and Hilton in 2017, they have continued the improvement.

However, let's be honest. This defense will ultimately be judged by how it does against the Patriots.

Top rankings would ring kind of hollow if Brady ends up wiping his *** with the Steelers again.

Brady hasn't really been wiping his *** with any teams this year other than really New Orleans. They got really lucky to win this last week with that bullshit touch back call, which was clearly a touchdown against the Jets. I am really looking forward to 12/17 and watching him come in our house and get his dick knocked in the dirt!:flag:
 
Jax had what, 1 or 2 passes in the 2nd half against us? But they ran through our D. We have struggled in 1/3 of our games (Bears, Jags) against the run, specifically cut back runners. We need to get that handled so its not a continued issue.

Tuitt is now out for Sunday which means our DL will need to step up.

Up until the point that the game was already lost Fournette had 3.1 ypc....not too shabby.
 
And that other player in the secondary that plays every down? What's his name again? It's Sean something...

Him too, but my focus was on the new Steelers for the pass D.
 
For those of you don't think our "D" is a stregnth or it's early or (insert excuse)_________. They are a hell of a lot better than last year or the year before or the year before and to the guy that said "it's early" what the hell, would you rather they be in 28th this "EARLY"??? Our "D" has room and will improve on an already pretty good product. Around game 12 is where you will see and appreciate this "EARLY" defense as it will be a way better than it is now defense (which happens to be pretty good). Some say we haven't faced any real QBs, well think about it this way..........the scrubs we have face have been shut down, just like they are suppose to be. This season is playing out in a good way so let's try to enjoy it along the way. Thank You




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Not to rain on the parade but look at the starting QB's we have played...2 of the 6 have been benched already.

Losses came from run D and O issues. Steelers can't apologize for who they play. But less than a week after playing the Steelers, the Chiefs put up 30 points on the Raiders.

Sure Detroit and Pats will be good tests too.

But I like what I see from the pass D so far, and the running O is improving too. Same with the run D.

Now if we can get the passing game to improve with the Ben to Juju and Bryant connection. Good things.
 
That is why you look at rankings rather than the specific stat as other teams play some bad QB's too.

I don't follow. Out of 6 games we have played the only 2 QBs who have been benched due to poor play thus far. Plus we faced Keenam instead of Bradford. I don't feel like looking through 30 other schedules but I doubt any other team has played Cleveland and Chicago with Kizer and Glennon plus Keenam who is a lifetime backup. And Kizer's best game was against us. The passing YPG given up stat is skewed from the 100 yards Glennon and Bortles both put up. Both were because we couldn't stop the damn run so they didn't even have to throw the ball, not that our pass D was performing spectacularly. And even worse and most importantly, both those games were losses.

My point is, I feel like we have played some unproportionally bad QBs compared to the rest of the league through 6 games causing our pass D YPG stat (the only stat considered in this ranking) to be skewed. Also, what good is a good passing D if you can't stop the run anyhow?

Losses came from run D and O issues. Steelers can't apologize for who they play. But less than a week after playing the Steelers, the Chiefs put up 30 points on the Raiders.

Sure Detroit and Pats will be good tests too.

But I like what I see from the pass D so far, and the running O is improving too. Same with the run D.

Now if we can get the passing game to improve with the Ben to Juju and Bryant connection. Good things.

I agree with everything you said. I also think Cinci has one of the better passing O's we will have faced so far so that should be somewhat of a test on Sunday.

I was just trying to reign in the expectations. Big props to the passing D for taking care of business through 6 games. I'm just not ready to anoint them the top passing D just yet even though yes, they are technically ranked #1. IMO the main reasons for the #1 ranking are the horrible opposing QB's and passing games we've faced plus the inability to stop the run.
 
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When the pass defense was bad it didnt matter who we faced that day they turned into Dan Marino. So for us to be shutting these guys down its a step in the right direction
 
I don't follow. Out of 6 games we have played the only 2 QBs who have been benched due to poor play thus far. Plus we faced Keenam instead of Bradford. I don't feel like looking through 30 other schedules but I doubt any other team has played Cleveland and Chicago with Kizer and Glennon plus Keenam who is a lifetime backup. And Kizer's best game was against us. The passing YPG given up stat is skewed from the 100 yards Glennon and Bortles both put up. Both were because we couldn't stop the damn run so they didn't even have to throw the ball, not that our pass D was performing spectacularly. And even worse and most importantly, both those games were losses.

My point is, I feel like we have played some unproportionally bad QBs compared to the rest of the league through 6 games causing our pass D YPG stat (the only stat considered in this ranking) to be skewed. Also, what good is a good passing D if you can't stop the run anyhow?

I didn't use passing YPG in my rankings, I used yards per pass play. to compare to last games.

we have played 6 teams. Those 6 QB's have played 5 other teams (except the ones benched who still played other teams). Look around the league at QB's that just aren't that good. Those QB's played 6 teams, too. The only real issue with looking at rankings, right now, versus what we did last year is that it is only 6 games versus 16 games. The larger the sample size the better your results in comparison to other teams.

you don't have to look at every team, but you shouldn't overly generalize without looking at some specifics, although even full game specifics might be misleading. For example, if a QB has 10 passing yards per attempt, is it because his team was down by 20+ points and the D was letting them chew up the yards but not score? That can skew results, too. However, when you look at comparison of rankings rather than specific results, other teams experience the same things that happen to the Steelers. They may not be playing QB Y, but they are playing QB Z which isn't much better.

here is an example of full game results of one QB.

Since playing us Case Keenum has had 2 100+QB ratings and 2 ratings in the mid 70's. We sacked him 2 twice. In the next 4 games he has only been sacked twice, both by Detroit. His QB rating versus Chicago is about 20pts higher than Ben's versus Chicago.

Keenum vs Steelers. Completion % 54.1. Yards per attempt 4.51. Rating 65.9
Keenum vs. Everyone else: 67.2%, 7.86 and an average QB rating of 102.
 
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