Covid Vaccine

[tapeANaspirin2it]

They do serve with provolone sauce but the classic is always Whiz. Some places use provolone and add broccoli rabe and call that an Italian.

 

[madinsomniac]

To the point that the CDC has lost so much credibility. "While" Ron Desantis and the President were "arguing" over COVID, the CDC "by error of course" misapplies the case totals.

Of course, just another error. Like the VAERS database error. Like so many other errors.

CDC amends Florida’s COVID-19 numbers after pushback from state officials

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention adjusted its COVID-19 tracking for Florida as confusion over reporting practices sparked a feud between federal and state authorities.

nypost.com

The CDC has been a running joke for a couple decades now… i get that all the conservative hate them now and all the libs think they are the bees knees, but that was reversed up till the ebola outbreak… and tge libs were as right then as the conservatives are now…

they have a laundry list of incompetence that range from horrible lab procedures to dogmatic reliance on outdated science and combative attacks on data that disproves the older science their policy is built on… and i mean its pretty bad… thats why its best for them to just release data and not try to make policy based on it… they just aren’t really good at it…. Most government agencies are pretty inept and clueless… they just might be the worse…

 

[BLITZ]

**** the wiz. Provolone

I did provolone. melted on as the onions and mushrooms were warming. I soaked the prime rib in au jus over night. the trick to the mushrooms is dont really cook them just warm them up.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

My daughter’s under 18 friend got Covid last summer and ended up hospitalized with a leaky heart valve. On behalf of her family and others, I extend a “**** your ignorant self and the horse you rode in on!”

That sucks Tibs but it is a very very very rare exception to the rule. The chances of that are incredibly slim. Anecdotal tragedies are not statistically relevant. I feel for them but odds are she had some unknown predisposition to some Comorbidity. Tim is right in that the risk from the vaccine is probably close to equal to the risks of complications from Covid. Luckily we aren’t vaccinating the you g kids or we may find it is worse.

 

[Confluence]

Also ive seen some talk about vaccines preventing further infection… most do… there are a handful that are, as Tim calls them, leaky, but most have a large quick immune response that eradicates the virus before it reaches contagious levels

this one does not… we don’t know the long term results from that… some failed animal vaccines have led to very bad overall results… fortunately I don’t know of any that made it out of testing for humans

unfortunately we cut testing on these by years so we don’t know yet

I will ask my question again: What happened to the preclinical, phase 1 and phase 2 testing of the EUA vaccines?

 

[Confluence]

I think I've posted enough real world data here to not be accused of that.

Meanwhile, you post this: "I worked with a lot of Microbiology PhDs at Caltech for several years and have the good fortune of being in contact with a couple of them still, and they're not on board with mRNA. The consensus seems to be that even traditional vaccines aren't going to protect much against mutations (like what happens with all viruses), but they're not against them. Seems they think humoral immunity of the B cells and traditional autoimmunity of the T cells are the best bet at this stage."

Are any of these folks willing to go public with this knowledge? Have they conducted or published any studies that demonstrate why they're not on board with these vaccines? Or are we just supposed to take "Some guys I work with think this" as some kind of scientific data.

please show me a link to the preclinical, phase 1 or phase 2 studies from any approved Covid vaccines.

 

[Confluence]

Not naming who. but I think 2 people on here just need to **** and get it over with

TimTop and Floggybottom?

 

[DBS1970]

I will ask my question again: What happened to the preclinical, phase 1 and phase 2 testing of the EUA vaccines?

Are you talking about the ones where the embedded mRNA spike proteins caused the test subjects own immune systems to kill its vital organs? Or are you talking about the ones where the subsequent viral mutations were ignored by the test subjects immune systems allowing the virus to kill the subject quickly?

 

[Steeltime]

My daughter’s under 18 friend got Covid last summer and ended up hospitalized with a leaky heart valve. On behalf of her family and others, I extend a “**** your ignorant self and the horse you rode in on!”

Hope the kid is doing well, but it's unlikely that Covid damaged the girl's heart. The vast majority of patients who develop cardiovascular problems from Covid had pre-existing conditions.

Oh, and rather than telling Americans to **** themselves, perhaps you should direct that anger at the Chinese, WHO CREATED AND RELEASED THE ******* DISEASE.

So way less have died after getting the vaccine vs getting Covid, and way more have received the vaccine than got Covid? What’s the problem?

I am at a loss as to why you cannot fathom what TSF and SIL have told you several times - for those under 21 with a co-morbidity, yes, the vaccine makes perfect sense. They should take the vaccine. Got it. Agreed.

However, for those without a co-morbidity, taking the vaccine offers basically no benefits, but will clearly entail the inevitable and documented instances of potential side effects, including myocarditis (inflammation of the heart). Why would a healthy minor without a co-morbidity take the drug? Please explain your position.

You object to the chemotherapy analogy probably because chemotherapy is designed to destroy cells. How about low-dose hypertension medication? That medicine has very rare significant side effects, but as is the case with all medicines, some portion of the population - due to blood chemistry, body type, DNA, whatever - will have a significantly detrimental response.

Would you recommend a minor with no hypertension take low-dose, almost-always safe blood pressure medication? I mean, the risk is very low, right? "But, but juvenile hypertension is not contagious." Most research suggests neither is the Chinese flu in minors with no co-morbidities.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Troglodyte]

When the vaccines were rolled out, they were done so in tiers in most states. In my state, it was the most at risk that got it first, including the elderly, then essential workers, then others with comorbidities, then the general population.

They gave...the vaccines...to the most vulnerable...first. Why?

To protect them. Kids with comorbidities should get the vaccines. The rest, no. It's reckless and unwarranted.

They gave them to the most vulnerable because there were limited amounts available.

Why is it reckless and unwarranted for <18 as opposed to other demographics? Why not 19-30 or 30-40? They also have very low Covid fatality rates as does just about every other demographic. 620k deaths among 150 million (or whatever) cases. Why vaccinate anyone except those at very high risk?

Again, the vaccine has benefits beyond avoiding possible but unlikely death.

 

[hamster]

620k deaths among 150 million (or whatever) cases. Why vaccinate anyone except those at very high risk?

I don't believe for one second that this virus killed that many people. The way they classified Covid deaths was corrupt.

 

[deljzc]

I don't believe for one second that this virus killed that many people. The way they classified Covid deaths was corrupt.

That's an odd statement. Just compare TOTAL deaths in the country from 2019 to 2020.

In 2019 it was 2,854,838 deaths. In 2020 it was 3,427,321.

That's like a 20% increase. What the **** else happened except Covid to cause that massive an increase? The last time death rates were this high in our country was 1943.

You're delusional. Take the tin foil hat off. Jesus.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

They gave them to the most vulnerable because there were limited amounts available.

Why is it reckless and unwarranted for <18 as opposed to other demographics? Why not 19-30 or 30-40? They also have very low Covid fatality rates as does just about every other demographic. 620k deaths among 150 million (or whatever) cases. Why vaccinate anyone except those at very high risk?

Again, the vaccine has benefits beyond avoiding possible but unlikely death.

Good question, I don’t think they should for those under 20 unless there is reason or they voluntarily take it. It should not be mandatory under any circumstances at this point.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

That's an odd statement. Just compare TOTAL deaths in the country from 2019 to 2020.

In 2019 it was 2,854,838 deaths. In 2020 it was 3,427,321.

That's like a 20% increase. What the **** else happened except Covid to cause that massive an increase? The last time death rates were this high in our country was 1943.

You're delusional. Take the tin foil hat off. Jesus.

There has been data released that other variables have also seen an increase in death rates, most likely due to the lockdowns effect on doctor visitation and stress. So on this one you are wrong.

 

[hamster]

That's an odd statement. Just compare TOTAL deaths in the country from 2019 to 2020.

In 2019 it was 2,854,838 deaths. In 2020 it was 3,427,321.

That's like a 20% increase. What the **** else happened except Covid to cause that massive an increase? The last time death rates were this high in our country was 1943.

You're delusional. Take the tin foil hat off. Jesus.

 

[Steeler Pride]

That's an odd statement. Just compare TOTAL deaths in the country from 2019 to 2020.

In 2019 it was 2,854,838 deaths. In 2020 it was 3,427,321.

That's like a 20% increase. What the **** else happened except Covid to cause that massive an increase? The last time death rates were this high in our country was 1943.

You're delusional. Take the tin foil hat off. Jesus.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

The Death rate has been going up since 2008, pretty much in-line with the growth rate of the country.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

They gave them to the most vulnerable because there were limited amounts available.

They gave it to the most vulnerable first, because they are the ones who need it the most.

Why is it reckless and unwarranted for <18 as opposed to other demographics?

Do you EVER research? COVID is INFINITELY less dangerous to those 18 and under. INFINITELY. Far more so than other age groups, even those 18-30. The 18 and under age group is immune to Covid. 0.000004 have died from it. That doesn't even register.

Why not 19-30 or 30-40? They also have very low Covid fatality rates as does just about every other demographic.

Go calculate the rates for those age groups and get back to us. Hint: Those death rates in those groups, while low, isn't even in the same vicinity to what it is for 18 and under, which is essentially a ZERO death rate.

620k deaths among 150 million (or whatever) cases. Why vaccinate anyone except those at very high risk?

Ding, ding ding we have a winner. We should be treating the most vulnerable among us. This is not the bubonic plague.

Nor is 620K deaths accurate. Remember, causality. A motorcycle crash isn't a COVID death.

Keep in mind, 620K deaths is now spread out over what 19 months?

Again, the vaccine has benefits beyond avoiding possible but unlikely death.

Yes, so very many.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

That's an odd statement. Just compare TOTAL deaths in the country from 2019 to 2020.

In 2019 it was 2,854,838 deaths. In 2020 it was 3,427,321.

That's like a 20% increase. What the **** else happened except Covid to cause that massive an increase? The last time death rates were this high in our country was 1943.

You're delusional. Take the tin foil hat off. Jesus.

Del, you're missing a glaring point. I get tired of people using the excess deaths argument so loosely.

Even the New York Times reported on this. In great detail, as have other outlets. So many people try to say excess deaths are 100% tied to COVID.

They emphatically are not. Deaths were up in EVERY category last year, not all of which were attributable to COVID. All you have to do is stop and think about it. People were shut in. People were NOT seeing their doctors for 6 to 8 months or more. Cancer patients weren't receiving treatments. The elderly and infirm stayed at home. Because of the lack of medical care, because people weren't getting out and exercising, because over eating and over drinking increased, etc....ALL deaths increased.

Alzheimers deaths were up. Diabetes related deaths were up. Heart disease, hypertension deaths, kidney deaths (people not getting dialysis). That New York Times article broke it out across deaths.

It is factually incorrect to say 100% of excess deaths were due to Covid. That omits what the lockdowns did to our health...the lockdowns killed a lot of people due to lack of healthcare.

Excess Deaths From COVID-19 and Other Causes in the US, March 2020 to January 2021

This study updates an analysis of US mortality in 2020, including deaths due to COVID-19 as well as all other causes.

jamanetwork.com

Excess deaths not attributed to COVID-19 could reflect either immediate or delayed mortality from undocumented COVID-19 infection, or non–COVID-19 deaths secondary to the pandemic, such as from delayed care or behavioral health crises. Death rates from several non–COVID-19 diseases (eg, heart disease, Alzheimer disease) increased during surges.

From the New York Times


40,000 extra deaths from diabetes, Alzheimer’s, high blood pressure and pneumonia
In several states, deaths attributed to diabetes are at least 20 percent above normal this year.
At least 10 states have seen deaths from high blood pressure — a common comorbidity like diabetes — rise even higher than the national percentage. These may include deaths from heart failure, kidney failure or stroke.



Nationwide, deaths from Alzheimer’s disease, which usually affects older adults, are 12 percent above normal this year

 

[ZonaBurgh]

now I have that damn song going through my head. Thanks.

D, E, C, and an octave lower C, G

 

[Sarge]

That's an odd statement. Just compare TOTAL deaths in the country from 2019 to 2020.

In 2019 it was 2,854,838 deaths. In 2020 it was 3,427,321.

That's like a 20% increase. What the **** else happened except Covid to cause that massive an increase? The last time death rates were this high in our country was 1943.

You're delusional. Take the tin foil hat off. Jesus.

That's a difference of 572,483. CDC estimates 377,883 died of Covid in 2020. That's a difference of 194,600. Wonder what the extra 194,600 died of.

EDIT: Never mind, I see above.

 

[madinsomniac]

That's an odd statement. Just compare TOTAL deaths in the country from 2019 to 2020.

In 2019 it was 2,854,838 deaths. In 2020 it was 3,427,321.

That's like a 20% increase. What the **** else happened except Covid to cause that massive an increase? The last time death rates were this high in our country was 1943.

You're delusional. Take the tin foil hat off. Jesus.

To be fair to his point, the breakdown of deaths in the country showed massive increases in cancer and heart issue deaths because people avoided the hospital… 600k absolutely was inflated… thats how all pandemics are tracked to error on the safe side…

Covid absolutely killed people, but compared to the way the spanish flu killed healthy people, it wasn’t ****… the people that died were mostly dying people.

its extremely interesting that while the news tosses around that six hundred thousand number… the official data breakdowns from the cdc that they filed for future reference had only 377 thousand listed as probable covid deaths… so its absolutely inflated…

 

[deljzc]

Honestly, if all you guys existed in the 1960's we'd still have Polio.

You're all off your rockers.

Vaccines are one of the greatest inventions of the 20th Century. Science has GIVEN you for free a way to reduce your chances of getting severely ill by 100 times and your chances of dying of by almost 1000 times less likely.

And yet you dig your heals in over fake science, a few blurbs on the internet and your own stubbornness.

We would never have need mandates if the looney birds didn't decide this was all political and fight against it. Now that like half of idiot hillbillies and woke black folk refuse to take it, we will have to force you to take it. Because vaccines only work when everyone gets them.

It's why we don't let stupid parents that refuse to get their kids the MMR vaccines into schools. Covid is just as perilous and just as important to wipe out as quickly as possible.

The more of you Guinea pigs that decide "getting the virus" is better than getting the vaccine just give the disease more and more chances to mutate into something either more contagious or more deadly.

You guys ARE impacting me with your lunacy. This isn't about just letting everyone live their lives. You are keeping a virus active and in play and common because you won't take the vaccine. Because of you, my kids will CONTINUE to have to wear masks. Because of you, I still have to wear masks in some places.

We gave you 6 months to get it on your own. To CHOOSE to do the right thing. Now you have to bear the consequences of your selfish actions. I hope the world makes it as inconvenient on you as possible. I hope your employers make it inconvenient. I hope you keep embarrassing yourselves on facebook and here.

You guys are all looney.

 

[IndySteel]

You're an angry dude, Del. And you've lost your ******* mind.