Cry baby Brown at it again.. suspended?

[oicu8ad]

The need to give him the Keyshawn Johnson treatment. Gruden did it before. Shut him down for the year.

What are the ramifications of this? Does he just sit with no pay? Or are the Raiders on the hook for part of the salary? (How much?).

In NO WAY would I cut him and let him be a free agent.

 

[madinsomniac]

I just really find it suspect that he totally screwed up the trade to the Bills, whom would never trade him to the pats, to go to the Raiders, who always trade with the Pats... and now will likely either be traded or released...


People saying Bill belichick won’t put up with himhave not been paying attention... that guy absorbs all the talented headcases... he currently has Josh Gordon playing for him... he drafted a murderer... he would absolutely wrangle Brown in ...

 

[Coryea]

The need to give him the Keyshawn Johnson treatment. Gruden did it before. Shut him down for the year.

What are the ramifications of this? Does he just sit with no pay? Or are the Raiders on the hook for part of the salary? (How much?).

In NO WAY would I cut him and let him be a free agent.

as far as I know, they can suspend him and even get out of the guaranteed money. That would be their best move, suspend him, let him sit unpaid and not release him where he may end up somewhere else getting paid.

 

[Chiba]

I heard that Brown really wanted to play this year...






He just got cold feet

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Would you reward your petulant child for being a jackass in the store? Hell no you wouldn't unless you're a dumbass parent. NO ******* way would I ever reward bad behavior, at that point your teaching your kid that bad behavior and acting like a class A1 ******* will get you what you want. You're only enabling that little jackass at that point.

You can’t trade your child so the analogy isn’t exactly the same but I get the point. If the steelers planned to keep AB then I agree. In fact, i’d say that giving AB special treatment is what led to this situation. Tomlin does deserve blame for that.

Once they found themselves at a point of no return where they knew they had to trade him, that’s when I think you do whatever you have to do short term to keep him quiet and happy.

 

[fedderone]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-would-wipe-out-29-125-million-in-guarantees/

So question. If they cut AB would you welcome him back if the Steelers could get him reasonably priced and no or little guaranteed money?

PS Not going to happen just hypothetically speaking.

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Hell no!
F NO!

 

[skline00]

Thank goodness he is Oakland’s problem and not ours anymore.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Can someone tell me why they are talking about the Raiders being able to void his guarenteed money for conduct detrimental to the team and cut bait with him. If that is true why are the Steelers on the hook for 20 m this season.

I think it’s unlikely that the Raiders will cut him but their situation is different than the steelers. With the steelers, if they tried to get out of AB’s contract for bad behavior, AB’s lawyers could have easily pointed to the years of the steelers overlooking his behavior. So the steelers had set a precedent that they were OK with his various shenanigans.

The raiders have not excused anything and that was the point of Mayocks carefully worded letter where he quoted the CBA and his contract and fined him for all his missed practices. That’s what an employer does when they want to fire somebody. They establish on paper that there is cause.

That’s why most people get some form of a quarterly review from their boss. It’s so they have on paper that an employee was told that their performance was subpar or that they came in late 5 times and it won’t be tolerated. It gives an opportunity to correct the behavior and then if it doesn't, the business has cause to terminate and will have protection from getting sued.

The raiders have set that up here.

 

[black and gold apex]

With as many witnesses that watch Brow's torment, can't see where he has a leg to stand on if Oakland decides to really punish Brown. No word if the league has looked into his actions or if they can also punish the kid

 

[fedderone]

It’s completely logical. People are arguing that AB had no value and the steelers were smart to take what they could get. The fact Buffalo offered a 1 proves that wasn’t true.

AB is a greedy, me first guy. It is not at all far fetched to think that if the steelers had worked with AB and his agent on setting up a trade, In other words, giving AB everything he wanted, that AB would have cooperated.

Trading AB was right. I give the steelers credit for recognizing he had to go. But that does not mean they made a good deal on the trade itself.

If you buy that a 3rd rounder was the best the steelers could have gotten for AB then fine. I strongly disagree especially when you see Houston give TWO 1st round picks for Laremy Tunsil.

Is Tunsil throwing furniture off hotel balconies?
Is Tunsil over the age of 30?
Is Tunsil threatening team management because of a $60,000.00 fine ( which is like $100.00 speeding ticket to us )?
Is Tunsil not showing up to walkthroughs, practices, meetings, etc?
Is Tunsil throwing teammates under the bus?

Apples and hand-grenades.

We KNOW for 100% certainty of the Bills offer.
Please tell me ALL the other offers that the Steelers passed on to settle on the measly 3rd and 5ths the Raiders offered?
You keep insinuating that there should have been all these offers because of the player and his skillset.
If it was JUST about his skillset, then yeah, we got raped.
But you're not even factoring in his bat craziness, lack of respect for his team/teammates, and ALL the drama he brings.
The fact that he went to the Raiders...........let me repeat, THE RAIDERS, should be a clear indicator how much he wasn't wanted around the league.
IF the Raiders end up releasing him, and the Cowboys or Redskins sign him ( the only two other bat crazy organizations on par with Oakland ), the contract will be structured EXACTLY the same so they can clear themselves without any impact to their finances and team, but it will also be at a MASSIVE discount to the last two contracts with the Raiders and Steelers.
IF that happens, I don't see A Clown signing with a team because he'll feel like he's not being adequately compensated for his talents.
He is spiraling out of control and everyone sees it and wants nothing to do with it.

 

[bermudasteel]

brown will apologize tomorrow... nothing will happen.

I don't know...what that guy digs in...he doesn't recant.

I fully expect him to be suspended for Game 1 and then fired from the team.

But, meanwhile, I'll be...
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[Superman]

I think it’s unlikely that the Raiders will cut him but their situation is different than the steelers. With the steelers, if they tried to get out of AB’s contract for bad behavior, AB’s lawyers could have easily pointed to the years of the steelers overlooking his behavior. So the steelers had set a precedent that they were OK with his various shenanigans.

The raiders have not excused anything and that was the point of Mayocks carefully worded letter where he quoted the CBA and his contract and fined him for all his missed practices. That’s what an employer does when they want to fire somebody. They establish on paper that there is cause.

That’s why most people get some form of a quarterly review from their boss. It’s so they have on paper that an employee was told that their performance was subpar or that they came in late 5 times and it won’t be tolerated. It gives an opportunity to correct the behavior and then if it doesn't, the business has cause to terminate and will have protection from getting sued.

The raiders have set that up here.

wait. so you're saying that even with this bad behavior (your words, not mine) that was known (again, your words, not mine), the Steelers were fleeced on the trading of this fool?

you've established that he's a malcontent. Some would say a locker room cancer. Judging from his past exploits on social media, we can say that he fits that definition.
yet somehow, this is to be cast aside when a trade is to be worked because of his previous performances on the field. and we're to believe that other teams did not know about AB's hysterics and were ignorant to his live streaming of locker room talk?

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I’ll just say this final thing on this. No, I don’t have any evidence. Nobody does. I’m just stating my opinions like everybody else.

I feel the steelers had a big hand in creating this AB monster by excusing his behavior for years and giving him special treatment. Then when they finally wanted to take action, it was too late and AB wasn’t hearing any of it. So I blame the steelers partly for AB’s current sense of entitlement.

Next is the process of trading him. I agree it had to be done looking at just how warped AB became. But I still believe that process was poorly handled. I’ve explained several times why I think that and won’t go over it again except to say that the steelers biggest weapon would have been AB’s own greed. It would have been in his own best interest to be quiet for a few weeks and let the steelers and Rosenhaus find him a trade partner he’d accept and fair compensation for the steelers.

So, because I believe the steelers are partly to blame for AB’s exploding ego and that they mishandled the trade process, it bugs me when I hear people now wanting to give the steelers a pat on the back for trading AB now that he seems to have gotten worse.

ABs current behavior exonerates Ben, who was somehow blamed for AB’s tantrums. It should also point out just how terrible the (National) media is at their jobs by taking AB’s side initially with their drive by analysis.

But to me, that still doesn’t give the steelers a pass for how they handled AB.

What I like most about this is it does seem the steelers office and Tomlin and even the players re-learned the value of discipline. It seems they did take a big lesson from the AB saga and I feel it has put this team back on the winning track and i’m more positive about this team now than I have been in years.

 

[ark steel]

I just really find it suspect that he totally screwed up the trade to the Bills, whom would never trade him to the pats, to go to the Raiders, who always trade with the Pats... and now will likely either be traded or released...


People saying Bill belichick won’t put up with himhave not been paying attention... that guy absorbs all the talented headcases... he currently has Josh Gordon playing for him... he drafted a murderer... he would absolutely wrangle Brown in ...

Don't forget Chang the cokehead.

 

[bmoritz]

Part of Belecheat's "master plan". Get's word to AB to keep ******* up to the point Raiders release him or trade to Pats for next to nothing just so Raiders can be rid of him. Brown becomes model citizen under "Brady's influence". Pats win 7th Lombardi. ESPN offices flood under the slobber generated by their talking heads about BB's "genius". Hey, prove me wrong. Stranger things, etc.

Honestly, I can see exactly this happening. That piece of **** ******* organization would definitely do that. The already DID, with Blount. I truly think this is all a ruse, with the Pats ultimately behind it. They knew the Steelers wouldn't trade him to NE, so they devised a plan where he'd piss off the Raiders enough to cut them, then they can swoop in. I ******* HATE that team, and if true, Goodell will do NOTHING about it.

 

[bmoritz]

I don't think the Pats have the cap space for this clown.

He'll get the same under the table deal as "underpaid" Brady.

 

[wig]

Regarding my "pick up the phone" post on Brown. Ya, I know they could have contacted his agent (and undoubtedly did.) And actually, by the time the trade talks were serious, Brown HAD met with Rooney et al. so technically that's a moot point. The salient point is that he was doing EVERYTHING in his power to alienate himself from the team, up to and including ignoring the OWNER! It's one thing to be a ***** to the coach and even the GM. But when the ******* OWNER rings you up and you blow him off... Ya, you're ******* not helping.

And Coryea (as I understand it) is right about why the Steelers couldn't get any signing bonus back but the Raiders may. It's a different situation on a couple levels.

1st, in order for Brown (a veteran) to be vested in his contract, he has to be active week 1. If he is, he's vested and BOOM, he gets to argue that they owe him the full year's worth of contract, or even the full 2 years worth. Then it gets in to arbitration and a settlement is likely reached.

HOWEVER if Brown ISN'T active on week 1, and more importantly if he is inactive due to conduct detrimental to the team (standard contract wording as all the talking heads are saying) then the Raiders are in the driver's seat. They CAN void his contract as long as they can establish a pattern of behavior. (Clearly they can. Between missed practices, poor attention during meetings he was at, going AWOL for a few days when nobody on the Raiders even knew where the **** he was... and finally threatening physical violence on his boss - they got all they need. And if they REALLY want to push it, they can get with Pittsburgh and submit evidence of Brown's last few months with Pittsburgh as further evidence of a pattern of behavior.

Now, the 2nd thing. the Raiders were pretty smart in that they gave Brown a very small signing bonus. (1 million) but guaranteed a full 2 years worth of salary equaling closer to 29 million. Even IF the Raiders have to eat 1 million in signing bonus money, that's a small price to pay at this point because Brown is NOT going to play well with others. (The fact that he "drive-by" shotgunned both the Raiders AND Derek Carr on twitter indicates he's going full pissy mode. (Remember all the ChristianLove.com talk about how close Brown and Carr were and how Carr's kids threw the ball to Brown even more than Carr had? BOOM, Carr is on the curb giving more and more thought to Brown's comments about never having been friends with Ben, he was just in it for his stats. (Bridge = Burned.)

Of course, if the Raiders want to be total dicks, they can go after his signing bonus as well given that Brown has never played a snap, not even in Pre-season. They may be able to reasonably argue that Brown never intended to honor his agreement in good faith and that he offered no value whatsoever to the Raiders.

More likely, they will suspend him game 1, and from that point on they are completely in control. At any point AFTER that they can cut him and void whatever remains on his contract. They have the documentation and he was not 'vested' since he wasn't active week 1. With that power they can basically demand that he either be a complete poster boy week in, week out or they cut him and void whatever remains on his contract.

The problem is, he's such a head-case that if the Raiders go that route, he'll sulk and be useless and create so much bullshit tension in the locker room that he'd destroy the team from within.

(Sorry so long.)

 

[TDX27]

I think the Birth-defect hit to his head a couple years ago was what really triggered his CTE and this total melt down. The timing pretty much fits.

 

[madinsomniac]

Regarding my "pick up the phone" post on Brown. Ya, I know they could have contacted his agent (and undoubtedly did.) And actually, by the time the trade talks were serious, Brown HAD met with Rooney et al. so technically that's a moot point. The salient point is that he was doing EVERYTHING in his power to alienate himself from the team, up to and including ignoring the OWNER! It's one thing to be a ***** to the coach and even the GM. But when the ******* OWNER rings you up and you blow him off... Ya, you're ******* not helping.

And Coryea (as I understand it) is right about why the Steelers couldn't get any signing bonus back but the Raiders may. It's a different situation on a couple levels.

1st, in order for Brown (a veteran) to be vested in his contract, he has to be active week 1. If he is, he's vested and BOOM, he gets to argue that they owe him the full year's worth of contract, or even the full 2 years worth. Then it gets in to arbitration and a settlement is likely reached.

HOWEVER if Brown ISN'T active on week 1, and more importantly if he is inactive due to conduct detrimental to the team (standard contract wording as all the talking heads are saying) then the Raiders are in the driver's seat. They CAN void his contract as long as they can establish a pattern of behavior. (Clearly they can. Between missed practices, poor attention during meetings he was at, going AWOL for a few days when nobody on the Raiders even knew where the **** he was... and finally threatening physical violence on his boss - they got all they need. And if they REALLY want to push it, they can get with Pittsburgh and submit evidence of Brown's last few months with Pittsburgh as further evidence of a pattern of behavior.

Now, the 2nd thing. the Raiders were pretty smart in that they gave Brown a very small signing bonus. (1 million) but guaranteed a full 2 years worth of salary equaling closer to 29 million. Even IF the Raiders have to eat 1 million in signing bonus money, that's a small price to pay at this point because Brown is NOT going to play well with others. (The fact that he "drive-by" shotgunned both the Raiders AND Derek Carr on twitter indicates he's going full pissy mode. (Remember all the ChristianLove.com talk about how close Brown and Carr were and how Carr's kids threw the ball to Brown even more than Carr had? BOOM, Carr is on the curb giving more and more thought to Brown's comments about never having been friends with Ben, he was just in it for his stats. (Bridge = Burned.)

Of course, if the Raiders want to be total dicks, they can go after his signing bonus as well given that Brown has never played a snap, not even in Pre-season. They may be able to reasonably argue that Brown never intended to honor his agreement in good faith and that he offered no value whatsoever to the Raiders.

More likely, they will suspend him game 1, and from that point on they are completely in control. At any point AFTER that they can cut him and void whatever remains on his contract. They have the documentation and he was not 'vested' since he wasn't active week 1. With that power they can basically demand that he either be a complete poster boy week in, week out or they cut him and void whatever remains on his contract.

The problem is, he's such a head-case that if the Raiders go that route, he'll sulk and be useless and create so much bullshit tension in the locker room that he'd destroy the team from within.

(Sorry so long.)

It is my understanding that there was no signing bonus at all... the 1 million was a workout bonus that he voided by failing to show up for all practices... basically they can cut their losses right now forfree... then he can sign with the pats or ratbirds and be happy for 30 seconds

 

[Omar10213245]

I think the Birth-defect hit to his head a couple years ago was what really triggered his CTE and this total melt down. The timing pretty much fits.

a pic of Antonio from his college days. Again, he was batshit crazy long before any hit(s) to the head in the pros. Stop making excuses for that ridiculous piece of ****.

 

[Omar10213245]

Honestly, I can see exactly this happening. That piece of **** ******* organization would definitely do that. The already DID, with Blount. I truly think this is all a ruse, with the Pats ultimately behind it. They knew the Steelers wouldn't trade him to NE, so they devised a plan where he'd piss off the Raiders enough to cut them, then they can swoop in. I ******* HATE that team, and if true, Goodell will do NOTHING about it.

do you have even a shred of evidence that this is happening? or are you just getting yourself all lathered up with vitriol because it feels so good?

 

[Coryea]

a pic of Antonio from his college days. Again, he was batshit crazy long before any hit(s) to the head in the pros. Stop making excuses for that ridiculous piece of ****.

Again, Ryan Clark said after he signed his contract in 2012 he started to act different, including screaming at LeBeau "you can't him me I'm the franchise" after one of the defenders hit him. Long before he was hit by Burfict.

So they are reporting that AB started the thing with Mayock, and AB called him a Cracker, in the middle of a cursing tirade that Burfict was stepping in trying to stop AB.

 

[wig]

So things are slow at work today and I am taking the opportunity to watch the 2018 Steelers/Pats game. One thing that jumps out at me immediately is that you can SEE Brown getting frustrated early in the game. He is open pretty often and Ben is not looking at him all the time. Indeed, AB has a clean and easy catch for a 1st and Roethlisberger goes with a newly activated Eli Rogers on a tougher throw and catch. Same happens again a few plays later when Ben goes to JaySam instead of AB although Brown was open.

You can just SEE his body language. He's getting pissy.

On the other hand, on a P*ts defensive offsides, Ben throws a 24 yard TD strike to Brown who wasn't even looking for the ball. He coulda got it, but never even looked to see it coming.

 

[mdk2]

Again, Ryan Clark said after he signed his contract in 2012 he started to act different, including screaming at LeBeau "you can't him me I'm the franchise" after one of the defenders hit him. Long before he was hit by Burfict.

So they are reporting that AB started the thing with Mayock, and AB called him a Cracker, in the middle of a cursing tirade that Burfict was stepping in trying to stop AB.

I didn’t see that he called him a cracker.. that’s pretty crazy.


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[Coryea]

Hahaha, now they are saying Brown issued an emotional apology to the team today, LMAO, yeah more like "don't take my money" apology

The league should suspend him for racist comments.