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Le’Veon Bell Should Report Today or Tomorrow

SteelerInLebanon said:
Cope there is subsequent language about this that seem to limit the compensation in this instance. It seem he is limitied in how he can be designated as a franchise player and lowers his compensation.

The relevant line :
If such a player is redesignated as a Franchise Player for the League Year following the League Year in which he does not play, the player may be designated only under Section 2(a)(i) above, except that Draft Choice Compensation of only one first round draft selection and one third round draft selection shall be made with respect to such player in the event he signs with the New Club.

Full text for context:

Section 15. Signing Period for Franchise Players:

(a) In the event that a player who is designated and tendered as a Franchise Player has not signed a Player Contract with a Club by the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season, at 4:00pm New York time, the player shall be prohibited from playing football in the NFL for the remainder of that League Year, absent a showing to the Impartial Arbitrator of extreme Club or extreme personal hardship. The determination of the Impartial Arbitrator shall be made within five days of the application, and shall consider all information relating to such hardship submitted by such date. The determination of the Impartial Arbitrator shall be final and binding upon all parties.

(c) If any Franchise Player does not play in the NFL in a League Year, his Prior Team shall have the right to designate such player as a Franchise Player or a Transition Player the following League Year, if such designation is otherwise available to the Team, except that the applicable Tender must be made and any 120% Tender shall be measured from the Player’s Prior Year Salary. If such a player is redesignated as a Franchise Player for the League Year following the League Year in which he does not play, the player may be designated only under Section 2(a)(i) above, except that Draft Choice Compensation of only one first round draft selection and one third round draft selection shall be made with respect to such player in the event he signs with the New Club. If such a player is designated as a Franchise Player for a third time, the terms of Section 2(b) above shall apply. If a Franchise Player who has sufficient Accrued Seasons to become an Unrestricted Free Agent is not designated as a Franchise Player or Transition Player for any League Year immediately following a League Year in which he does not play, then on the first day of that League Year, the player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent and is completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club is completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period.
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I'd have to agree with your assessment of article 15.

Clearly states that if a player sits out, they are set to their 120% of the previous year salary, which would make it the same as the 2nd tag amount.

Also it looks like a 1st and 3rd would be applicable if Bell holds out the entire year, is retagged (nonexclusive), and a team makes a contract offer that the Steelers opt not to accept.

Great eyes!!
 
Small followup points:

Steelers can trade Bell for any draft value they deem fit, if he is tagged nonexclusive. Not sure if he has to sign the tag to be traded in this instance, but I know other teams have traded nonexclusive Franchise tagged players for less than 2 firsts in the past. This must be how they do so.

The NFLPA will still try an argue that Bell was tagged for a 3rd time.

Article 2b
(b) Any Club that designates a player as a Franchise Player for the third time
shall, on the date the third such designation is made, be deemed to have tendered the
player a one-year NFL Player Contract for the greater of: (A) the average of the five
largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in
Section 7(a) below) with the highest such average; (B) 120% of the average of the five
largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in
Section 7(a) below) at which the player participated in the most plays during the prior
League Year; or (C) 144% of his Prior Year Salary. (By way of example, a kicker designated
as a Franchise Player for the third time in the 2014 League Year would have a
Required Tender equal to the greater of: (i) the average of the five largest 2013 Salaries
for quarterbacks; (ii) 120% of the average of the five largest 2013 Salaries for kickers; or
(iii) 144% of the player’s own 2013 Salary.)
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Those 2 articles clearly conflict.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
Apparently we need another thread for Dri Archer.
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That thread had more weight than he did. Another beauty was Randal El vs. Antonio Bryant at the Tribune site. That thing literally went on for years and years. I always wonder if that dude Crash posts here under a different name. Maybe he is Coach?
 
I always wonder if that dude Crash posts here under a different name. Maybe he is Coach?
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Crash. What a way to one-up a Dri Archer reference. Well played.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Cope there is subsequent language about this that seem to limit the compensation in this instance. It seem he is limitied in how he can be designated as a franchise player and lowers his compensation.

The relevant line :
If such a player is redesignated as a Franchise Player for the League Year following the League Year in which he does not play, the player may be designated only under Section 2(a)(i) above, except that Draft Choice Compensation of only one first round draft selection and one third round draft selection shall be made with respect to such player in the event he signs with the New Club.

Full text for context:

Section 15. Signing Period for Franchise Players:

(a) In the event that a player who is designated and tendered as a Franchise Player has not signed a Player Contract with a Club by the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season, at 4:00pm New York time, the player shall be prohibited from playing football in the NFL for the remainder of that League Year, absent a showing to the Impartial Arbitrator of extreme Club or extreme personal hardship. The determination of the Impartial Arbitrator shall be made within five days of the application, and shall consider all information relating to such hardship submitted by such date. The determination of the Impartial Arbitrator shall be final and binding upon all parties.

(c) If any Franchise Player does not play in the NFL in a League Year, his Prior Team shall have the right to designate such player as a Franchise Player or a Transition Player the following League Year, if such designation is otherwise available to the Team, except that the applicable Tender must be made and any 120% Tender shall be measured from the Player’s Prior Year Salary. If such a player is redesignated as a Franchise Player for the League Year following the League Year in which he does not play, the player may be designated only under Section 2(a)(i) above, except that Draft Choice Compensation of only one first round draft selection and one third round draft selection shall be made with respect to such player in the event he signs with the New Club. If such a player is designated as a Franchise Player for a third time, the terms of Section 2(b) above shall apply. If a Franchise Player who has sufficient Accrued Seasons to become an Unrestricted Free Agent is not designated as a Franchise Player or Transition Player for any League Year immediately following a League Year in which he does not play, then on the first day of that League Year, the player becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent and is completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club is completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period.
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And here is section 2B

(b) Any Club that designates a player as a Franchise Player for the third time
shall, on the date the third such designation is made, be deemed to have tendered the
player a one-year NFL Player Contract for the greater of: (A) the average of the five
largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in
Section 7(a) below) with the highest such average; (B) 120% of the average of the five
largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in
Section 7(a) below) at which the player participated in the most plays during the prior
League Year; or (C) 144% of his Prior Year Salary. (By way of example, a kicker designated
as a Franchise Player for the third time in the 2014 League Year would have a
Required Tender equal to the greater of: (i) the average of the five largest 2013 Salaries
for quarterbacks; (ii) 120% of the average of the five largest 2013 Salaries for kickers; or
(iii) 144% of the player’s own 2013 Salary.) If the Club designates the player as a Franchise
Player for the third time, the designating Club shall be the only Club with which
the player may negotiate or sign a Player Contract. In lieu of designating such a player as
a Franchise Player for the third time, any Club may designate such player as a Transition
Player pursuant to Section 3 below.
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oops Cope posted it.



Very confusing verbiage...
 
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slashsteel said:
And here is section 2B



oops Cope posted it.



Very confusing verbiage...
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I know, the lawyers will argue both sides on this one. I think future CBAs will get negotiated with 3 total tags upping to QB amount regardless of seasons played, but that will lead to more year long holdouts.
 
The primary interpretation analysis is when does the tag become a contract to designation, or (b)?

Not signing the designate tag, suspends the corroboration of the CBA. The NFLPA will argue it doesn’t, but contractually he’s not even a active player because of the CBA. One side cannot have it both ways.


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SteelerSask said:
I don't know about Crowning anyone. It's pretty clear and by pretty clear I mean completely obvious that Bell and the Steelers are done with each other. Now going into the season I felt the Steelers would need to spend a 1 or a 2 on a RB next year. Barring an injury I don't feel that way anymore. Do you?
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So the Archer thing was a gaslight. But it was for a point. Conner hasn't proven jack nor **** yet. Please tell me how one half of one season qualifies this kind of response from the guys on this board after years of crap about other Steeler players that flamed out. ESPECIALLY against those riff-raff teams! I mean c'mon.

i would say if Conner can repeat 90% percent of his stats in 3 of the 5 games against: Panthers, Chargers, Patriots, Jaguars and Saints then they have a no. 1 running back and no need for rd 1 or 2 RB pick.

If Conner gets f-ing stuffed in 3 of those 5 games, are you and everyone here gonna retract all of this... ****? And if Bell comes in and kicks some *** in the playoff game, are you and everyone else gonna --- maybe not kiss Bell's *** but damn close. And then recognize that you 1. you don't lose or gain a once in a decade talent overnight and 2. maybe upper management has motivations that are not in the interests of the players nor the product on the field?
 
steelreeling said:
So the Archer thing was a gaslight. But it was for a point. Conner hasn't proven jack nor **** yet. Please tell me how one half of one season qualifies this kind of response from the guys on this board after years of crap about other Steeler players that flamed out. ESPECIALLY against those riff-raff teams! I mean c'mon.

i would say if Conner can repeat 90% percent of his stats in 3 of the 5 games against: Panthers, Chargers, Patriots, Jaguars and Saints then they have a no. 1 running back and no need for rd 1 or 2 RB pick.

If Conner gets f-ing stuffed in 3 of those 5 games, are you and everyone here gonna retract all of this... ****? And if Bell comes in and kicks some *** in the playoff game, are you and everyone else gonna --- maybe not kiss Bell's *** but damn close. And then recognize that you 1. you don't lose or gain a once in a decade talent overnight and 2. maybe upper management has motivations that are not in the interests of the players nor the product on the field?[/QUOT

I wouldn't worry about Conner at all.
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steelreeling said:
So the Archer thing was a gaslight. But it was for a point. Conner hasn't proven jack nor **** yet. Please tell me how one half of one season qualifies this kind of response from the guys on this board after years of crap about other Steeler players that flamed out. ESPECIALLY against those riff-raff teams! I mean c'mon.

i would say if Conner can repeat 90% percent of his stats in 3 of the 5 games against: Panthers, Chargers, Patriots, Jaguars and Saints then they have a no. 1 running back and no need for rd 1 or 2 RB pick.

If Conner gets f-ing stuffed in 3 of those 5 games, are you and everyone here gonna retract all of this... ****? And if Bell comes in and kicks some *** in the playoff game, are you and everyone else gonna --- maybe not kiss Bell's *** but damn close. And then recognize that you 1. you don't lose or gain a once in a decade talent overnight and 2. maybe upper management has motivations that are not in the interests of the players nor the product on the field?
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LeVeon, is that you?
 
Have Bell come in and be our slot receiver, him and Conner both in the lineup would be a nightmare for defenses. Less chance of injury with him as a receiver. Win Win.
 
I say when / IF he shows up, make sure the doors are locked.
 
Cope said:
I know, the lawyers will argue both sides on this one. I think future CBAs will get negotiated with 3 total tags upping to QB amount regardless of seasons played, but that will lead to more year long holdouts.
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They would be forfeiting even more money than they do now. Why would it lead to more holdouts?
 
Bell won’t play for $855k a game, why would he participate in a playoff game and only get paid 25k or 30k or 40k? Heck he would only get about $100k if he was in the SB winning team.


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I think stats just cannot be everything. Tonight Conner had only 60 yards rushing. But when it really counted, he definitely rocked it. So I would say this one was a personal win for Conner. Conner 1 / Grown-up Defenses: 0
 
When I saw Conner going into the tent, it scared me. If Bell doesn't come back, we're screwed if Conner gets hurt. Those other guys aren't close to being good enough.
 
steelreeling said:
Ya know, the fans here seem to have been brain-washed quite a bit on Bell.

I mean if we're crowning Conner's ***, after half of one damn season, i ask you, tell me why didn't you crown Dri Archer's ***? He had a pre-season.

There is some major league smack talk goin on here after like, what, 8 games against the shittiest of teams: 2 Browns, a Shitcinnati, Falcons and a Bucaneer! I mean what-the-**** people? Why would you lionize one guy who's yet to prove anything and turn on another guy so goddamn quickly? Bell has been an all-pro for years now. He's proven. I get that his value would be diminished because he smokes ganga but.. what in the hell?!
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Yes! An Archer sighting! (166 pages)
 
steelermania said:
When I saw Conner going into the tent, it scared me. If Bell doesn't come back, we're screwed if Conner gets hurt. Those other guys aren't close to being good enough.
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Conner is fine. There was no need to use him anymore last night.


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mdk2 said:
Conner is fine. There was no need to use him anymore last night.


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And JaySam is showing something there....
 
BLITZ said:
steelreeling said:
So the Archer thing was a gaslight. But it was for a point. Conner hasn't proven jack nor **** yet. Please tell me how one half of one season qualifies this kind of response from the guys on this board after years of crap about other Steeler players that flamed out. ESPECIALLY against those riff-raff teams! I mean c'mon.

i would say if Conner can repeat 90% percent of his stats in 3 of the 5 games against: Panthers, Chargers, Patriots, Jaguars and Saints then they have a no. 1 running back and no need for rd 1 or 2 RB pick.

If Conner gets f-ing stuffed in 3 of those 5 games, are you and everyone here gonna retract all of this... ****? And if Bell comes in and kicks some *** in the playoff game, are you and everyone else gonna --- maybe not kiss Bell's *** but damn close. And then recognize that you 1. you don't lose or gain a once in a decade talent overnight and 2. maybe upper management has motivations that are not in the interests of the players nor the product on the field?[/QUOT

I wouldn't worry about Conner at all.
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How many playoff games has Bell won for us exactly?
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Troglodyte said:
They would be forfeiting even more money than they do now. Why would it lead to more holdouts?
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Because players want a long term contract, not a 1 year payout. If you can now sit or threaten to sit the whole year, just to have the tag number move up, players will use it as a negotiating tool.
 
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