The emerence of Ju-JU means who's getting less targets?

[Coach]

Ju-Ju to me is the best run after the catch person we have. He's very hard to tackle and proved his speed on the long TD pass vs Detroit.

He has earned more targets, but that means someone else is getting less.

 

[slashsteel]

 

[SteveA]

EVERYONE wants the ball as they should..............Damn it is simple math...........And the solution is simple

EVERYONE will get MORE targets if we keep moving the chains & start getting more first downs

 

[wig]

As I was saying in other threads. Forget the 30 pts a game. Focus on 40 minutes possession per game and work on targeting all the receivers to keep the defense off balance. Ensure that the defense cannot key on any given player, be it Bell, Brown, JuJu, Bryant or even Boswell. Continually keep the other team's offense off the field and force them into desperation hurry up situations every time they are on the field because they know they don't have many possession opportunities to work with.

The Steelers may have the best group of weapons collectively in the league to work with, they need to use them to simply undermine whatever the defenses are trying to do. Ben is smart enough to see what the defense is giving him. Bell is shifty enough to stay ahead of the chains 4 times out of 5, and if this offense would focus on merely consistently converting and moving downfield while eating up clock, I think they'd become truly lethal. They DO have to figure out how to become deadly inside the red zone in terms of TDs though. That's obviously important. But if they're holding the ball at a ratio of 2 to 1... I think they start sucking the soul out of a lot of teams.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

With Ben appearing to have solidified his position as the number one QB on the team, who do you think this takes snaps away from?

 

[Drink IRON City]

With Ben appearing to have solidified his position as the number one QB on the team, who do you think this takes snaps away from?

I think it's the Rice Krispy dude,..... You know the first one that says "SNAP" and the other two "crackle" & "pop". So by taking snaps away it would be the first Rice Crispy dude.





Salute the nation

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Ju-Ju to me is the best run after the catch person we have. He's very hard to tackle and proved his speed on the long TD pass vs Detroit.

He has earned more targets, but that means someone else is getting less.

Done. Dead. Close the thread.
Ever hear of a guy named Antonio Brown? But, Ju Ju is the best run after the catch person we have? Get dafuq outta here.

 

[ark steel]

You'd expect that JuJu's catches would give Ben more faith in him and he would need Bell less as a fall back option behind Brown.

 

[Coach]

SteelBuckeye writes

Done. Dead. Close the thread.
Ever hear of a guy named Antonio Brown? But, Ju Ju is the best run after the catch person we have? Get dafuq outta here.

Omitting the players with less than 5 catches for the year. Ju-Ju leads the Steelers in RAC per catch and average yards per catch. In addition 19 of his 24 catches went for first downs. That's impressive. So now you know.

How did OSU do yesterday?

 

[Coach]

You'd expect that JuJu's catches would give Ben more faith in him and he would need Bell less as a fall back option behind Brown.

Winner Winner chicken dinner! This is how I see it as well.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Omitting the players with less than 5 catches for the year. Ju-Ju leads the Steelers in RAC per catch and average yards per catch,. So know you know.

How did OSU do yesterday?

Just because he leads now doesnt make him the best on the team

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

what happens inside that head full of mush if we come back from the bye,, juju is again in the slot,, Bryant is the starter and goes for 170 yds and 2 TD's?

Exactly.

 

[Coach]

Just because he leads now doesnt make him the best on the team

Well, he leads RAC and Average yards per catch by a good margin after 8 games, and like I said his catch to first down ratio outstanding. Better than Brown's who is the best player on the team.

Impressive...

I think the Steelers found a Anquan Boldin type of player except Ju-Ju has better speed.

The Steelers need a good partner for Brown, because if Bryant is MIA either physically or mentally, we are force feed Brown too often.

I can also see Brown's target's going down a small amount.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Next Coach thread. "Is Juju better then Brown"

 

[antdrewjosh]

He's a nice possession receiver. Loves to play, good hands, and a willing blocker, BUT we lose in the playoffs because of DEFENSE, not our #2 or #3WR.

Not a bad player, but we should have sent cornerback!

So glad you came around to liking the pick

 

[Superman]

Next Coach thread. "Is Juju better then Brown"

followed by:

• "Why JuJu is better than Brown"
• "What trade value does Brown have?"
• "Should we trade JuJu?"
• "Does Ben trust AB since JuJu's break out game?"

 

[ark steel]

Well, he leads RAC and Average yards per catch by a good margin after 8 games, and like I said his catch to first down ratio outstanding. Better than Brown's who is the best player on the team.

Impressive...

I think the Steelers found a Anquan Boldin type of player except Ju-Ju has better speed.

The Steelers need a good partner for Brown, because if Bryant is MIA either physically or mentally, we are force feed Brown too often.

I can also see Brown's target's going down a small amount.

When you look at averages, you have to be careful of a couple of things. Well, more than a couple, but this situation nicely illustrates two of them

1) Comparing two groups that have significantly different sample sizes;
2) An outlier or two in the smaller sample size has a much bigger skewing effect than an outlier or two in the larger sample size.

As an example, out of the blue: One catch of 94 yards for the small sample will affect the average a great deal more than the same catch would over the larger sample size.

 

[wig]

Omitting the players with less than 5 catches for the year. Ju-Ju leads the Steelers in RAC per catch and average yards per catch. In addition 19 of his 24 catches went for first downs.

I knew this was coming. Say what you will about Coach. He's gonna come with some numbers. And yes Ark, those numbers can be "worked" in any number of ways, but let's not forget that in that Big-*** run, JuJu got out of 3 tackles. (Now, were those broken tackles or missed tackles... that's where folks may disagree.)

But still that was a hell of a catch and run. And it ALL goes toward supporting my feeling that the Steelers need to start working ALL three of those weapons (Brown, JuJu Bryant) as well as Bell AND James into the game in order to focus on Time of Possession rather than just racking up points. Sure, I would love to see them score 28 or more points, but if they can hold the ball for 40 minutes a game... THAT would be awesome!

 

[slashsteel]

I knew this was coming. Say what you will about Coach. He's gonna come with some numbers. And yes Ark, those numbers can be "worked" in any number of ways, but let's not forget that in that Big-*** run, JuJu got out of 3 tackles. (Now, were those broken tackles or missed tackles... that's where folks may disagree.)

But still that was a hell of a catch and run. And it ALL goes toward supporting my feeling that the Steelers need to start working ALL three of those weapons (Brown, JuJu Bryant) as well as Bell AND James into the game in order to focus on Time of Possession rather than just racking up points. Sure, I would love to see them score 28 or more points, but if they can hold the ball for 40 minutes a game... THAT would be awesome!

Yep limit what touches they get on O. I think the O is very capable of being top two three in TOP.

 

[Litos]

Omitting the players with less than 5 catches for the year. Ju-Ju leads the Steelers in RAC per catch and average yards per catch. In addition 19 of his 24 catches went for first downs. That's impressive. So now you know.

How did OSU do yesterday?

If you actually watch the games amd understand what is going on you'd realize that AB is always bracketed. No way brown is ever left so by himself like juju, a rookie, has been. The most electrifying WR in the NFL and you say he's not our best player at RAC? Come on coach

Your head is not only to wear a helmet, think with it

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Omitting the players with less than 5 catches for the year. Ju-Ju leads the Steelers in RAC per catch and average yards per catch. In addition 19 of his 24 catches went for first downs. That's impressive. So now you know.

How did OSU do yesterday?

Here we go with the skewed stats. Ju Ju has less targets than Brown. Has worked out of the slot more than Brown since Brown has been required to run more of an outside receivers route tree due to Martavis not being a "GO". Now, I didn't say Ju Ju wasn't impressive. I did say that Brown has better run after catch ability. And I stand by that.

tOSU? They didn't play yesterday.
If you're going to try to tick someone off, you should probably remember all the facts required to do so. (Like what day it is for starters)>
Now, if you're referring to SATURDAY ... They got their ***** handed to them. Impact on my personal or business life? Zip. I'm just a fan.

 

[bigtwnvin]

What a curious problem to have. Should Ben throw to AB, J-JS-S, a third WR to be named later or James? Should he hand off to Bell, Connor, Nix or throw to Bell??
Can't wait to see how the Steelers manage this quandary against the Colts?

 

[antdrewjosh]

What a curious problem to have. Should Ben throw to AB, J-JS-S, a third WR to be named later or James? Should he hand off to Bell, Connor, Nix or throw to Bell??
Can't wait to see how the Steelers manage this quandary against the Colts?

I know other teams are sure glad they dont have to deal with all these questions

 

[Coach]

Here we go with the skewed stats. Ju Ju has less targets than Brown. Has worked out of the slot more than Brown since Brown has been required to run more of an outside receivers route tree due to Martavis not being a "GO". Now, I didn't say Ju Ju wasn't impressive. I did say that Brown has better run after catch ability. And I stand by that.

Ju Ju has a higher conversion of target to catch ratio, a higher yards per catch ratio, a higher catch to 1st down ratio ( 79.1% of passes caught are first downs ). Those are three key stats that are not skewed.

All of these are better than Browns. As for who runs better after the catch, Brown is more elusive, but Ju-Ju is far more likely to break a tackle

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Ju Ju has a higher conversion of target to catch ratio, a higher yards per catch ratio, a higher catch to 1st down ratio ( 79.1% of passes caught are first downs ). Those are three key stats that are not skewed.

All of these are better than Browns. As for who runs better after the catch, Brown is more elusive, but Ju-Ju is far more likely to break a tackle

I was going to write a long, well thought out response to this. However, as I read what you're writing, I can only come to one conclusion. You are being purposefully obtuse.
Defense's are geared to take Brown out of the game. He still produces at historically good numbers. Before and including last week, no team was gearing up to face Ju Ju. Now that he's had his coming out party, teams have/will take notice. I'd like to see the kid succeed against the type of scrutiny Brown faces game in and game out before anointing him in the blood of Stallworth and Ward.

btw, your use of certain key stats seems to point to the idea that you believe Ju Ju is a better all around receiver than Brown. That CAN'T be what you're getting at ... is it? smh