The emerence of Ju-JU means who's getting less targets?

[Litos]

Ju Ju has a higher conversion of target to catch ratio, a higher yards per catch ratio, a higher catch to 1st down ratio ( 79.1% of passes caught are first downs ). Those are three key stats that are not skewed.

All of these are better than Browns. As for who runs better after the catch, Brown is more elusive, but Ju-Ju is far more likely to break a tackle

man you really can't read. Have you seen how much attention DBs give to AB? have you factored that in to your precious stats?

sure you will ignore this post too

 

[SteelBuckeye]

man you really can't read. Have you seen how much attention DBs give to AB? have you factored that in to your precious stats?

sure you will ignore this post too

No, he hasn't. To some folks, Coach included I believe, stats tell the story rather than the story providing the stats.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Martavis Bryant Returns As Starter, Not Worried About Tomlin’s Comments


BY ALEX KOZORA NOVEMBER 6, 2017 AT 04:31 PM



A week after getting banished to the scout team, Martavis Bryant was back in his usual spot for the Pittsburgh Steelers’ Monday practice. Per the PPG’s Ray Fittipaldo, Bryant said he resumed playing with the first team.

“I’ve been running with the 1s today, so I assume I am,” Bryant said when asked if he will play this Sunday against the Indianapolis Colts.

Bryant was inactive for the Steelers game before the bye, benched by Mike Tomlin for repeated social media distractions. Following the win over the Lions, Tomlin said he was “not” confident Bryant will be able to help the team the rest of the season.

Bryant was asked his reaction to those comments today.

“It’s not my business to worry about what someone else says,” he told Fittipaldo. “You have to prove yourself to him. I wasn’t down on myself about what he said.”




Obviously, there isn’t much that needs to be repeated about Bryant’s saga. It’s been a frustrating year dating all the way back to training camp when the league dragged their feet about finally reinstating Bryant. It took until halfway through camp, compounding the issue of time missed and with very little time to get back on the train. With his struggles this season and JuJu Smith-Schuster’s impressive play, Bryant has had his snaps scaled back and his role in the offense diminished.

The Steelers will have to hope they bye calmed things down and reset Bryant for the remaining half of the season. He’s still a key part of the offense, capable of scoring on any given snap, and while there’s still been problems, he and Ben Roethlisberger have been closing on hooking up for a few big plays this year. Not all the issues on the field have been his fault.

In 2017, Bryant has just a lone reception of 40+ yards. In each of his other two years, he’s had five each. That big-play potential is still there. If Bryant can handle things right off the field, he’ll be much better for it come gameday.

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[SteelerFan448]

Ju-Ju to me is the best run after the catch person we have. He's very hard to tackle and proved his speed on the long TD pass vs Detroit.

He has earned more targets, but that means someone else is getting less.

Best after AB.

Martavis gets less targets. Less go to the tight ends as well, but that's fine because they aren't very good.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Ju Ju has a higher conversion of target to catch ratio, a higher yards per catch ratio, a higher catch to 1st down ratio ( 79.1% of passes caught are first downs ). Those are three key stats that are not skewed.

All of these are better than Browns. As for who runs better after the catch, Brown is more elusive, but Ju-Ju is far more likely to break a tackle

Your catch ratios data are not in reference to the same position, the situational play called, nor to the formation used for which catch ratios were formulated. Therefore your collated sample size is faulty as well as your final analysis. You are trying to compare different categories of targets/catches to down and distance play calling at different receiver positions.

You are also not taking into account you have an All Pro WR getting game planned each week, where as JJSS is a rookie with a fraction of game tape. I think the sky is the limit for #19, but don't put that 97 yard TD primarily on him. Ben spotted the seam on his pre-snap read and changed JJSS route right before the snap. That was all QB finding the weak spot in coverage alignment, with JuJu making a nice RAC.



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[slashsteel]

Ju Ju has a higher conversion of target to catch ratio, a higher yards per catch ratio, a higher catch to 1st down ratio ( 79.1% of passes caught are first downs ). Those are three key stats that are not skewed.

All of these are better than Browns. As for who runs better after the catch, Brown is more elusive, but Ju-Ju is far more likely to break a tackle

coach love him some troll

Juju has benefited from AB getting so much attention.

I love me some Juju, but not ready to throw AB comparisons just yet.

Nor does he have to be on that same level.

Good Juju is enough, to complement the O well.

 

[BLITZ]

if you had to pick one receiver Brown or JuJu to be on your team who would it be? yeah a no brainer

 

[wig]

Ju Ju has a higher conversion of target to catch ratio, a higher yards per catch ratio, a higher catch to 1st down ratio ( 79.1% of passes caught are first downs ).

We call that a "possession receiver"

See, that guy's job is to run out over the middle, find a spot in the zone and make a catch, knowing he's likely gonna get "walloped". Now these catches are more often than not going to result in a 1st down... And should you avoid that "wallop", well you're going to get yourself a couple yards, but not likely too many. (Unless of course you manage to outrun 3 defenders for a 97 yard TD with a 50 yard YAC... but I digress)

JuJu is a BIG body with some strength and natural positioning skills. As he continues to learn, he'll get even better at this. I liken him to Bolden. (Anquan Bolden. Not sure how he spelled his first name...) That dude was a TRUCK of a receiver and I had nothing but respect for his ability to muscle a catch. Bryant isn't the same kind of guy. He's smoother, he should be faster and in many ways he's got a great deal more upside in terms of explosive playmaking ability. But Bryant has to focus a great deal because his plays have to be made on slants and outs and he's got to get some separation because he simply doesn't have the strength JuJu has.

Brown, well he's just special, isn't he? He's going to pull a double just about anywhere he goes because he will contest every ball thrown anywhere within 4 yards of his body in any dimension. I think if a ball was thrown 2 yards low he'd start digging. He may have been able to make Kordell look good.

James isn't the pass catcher Miller was in many respects but he can catch and he has some shiftyness. If you don't expect him to necessarily get to the 2nd level, he can do some real damage in the passing game and he's a respectable blocker. Vance? I don't know. I just haven't seen enough of him to get a feel yet for what he can do.

Bell of course is ... well Bell. I don't think he's EVER going to break a 40 yard run, but he's going to break a TON of 10 yard runs. And he's going to wear down the defense all day long. And if Haley didn't hate the Steelers so ******* much, he might even get a couple decent releases out of the backfield for some dump-offs that weren't doomed from the start.

Honestly the VERY BIGGEST factor in the Steelers running a T.O.P. offense is Ben Roethlisberger just being patient. If he's got a guy for an 8 yard gain that's an easy pass and he's got a guy for a 45 yard "Well, I think maybe I can sqeeeeeeze that in... Ben's going to take the 45 yarder every ******* time and twice on 3rd and 6. If they can just talk him in to taking his time and chilling... I think this offense will begin to destroy other teams. There WILL be more balls to go around and there WILL be more YAC for everyone because the defenses will be more tired over time and Pittsburgh's defense will continue to look better and better because the teams they are facing will become more and more desperate as they have anywhere from 2 to 5 fewer possessions per game to work with due to the Steelers offense eating so much clock.

Again, however it ALL comes down to scoring TD's in the endzone rather than FGs. They've GOT to get that **** ironed out. And that means getting out of the ******* "dork mode" inside the 10 or the 5. That ******* empty backfield drives me insane. "Hey defense, guess what. There is NO ******* MYSTERY WHATSOEVER about what we're gonna do..." I just want to beat my head against the coffee table every time I see that formation inside the 10.

 

[MTC]

Best after AB.

Martavis gets less targets. Less go to the tight ends as well, but that's fine because they aren't very good.

However, the more targets the better.
Never hurts to have a ton of weapons

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

what happens inside that head full of mush if we come back from the bye,, juju is again in the slot,, Bryant is the starter and goes for 170 yds and 2 TD's?

Exactly.

Martavis Bryant Returns As Starter, Not Worried About Tomlin’s Comments


BY ALEX KOZORA NOVEMBER 6, 2017 AT 04:31 PM



A week after getting banished to the scout team, Martavis Bryant was back in his usual spot for the Pittsburgh Steelers’ Monday practice. Per the PPG’s Ray Fittipaldo, Bryant said he resumed playing with the first team.

“I’ve been running with the 1s today, so I assume I am,” Bryant said when asked if he will play this Sunday against the Indianapolis Colts.

Bryant was inactive for the Steelers game before the bye, benched by Mike Tomlin for repeated social media distractions. Following the win over the Lions, Tomlin said he was “not” confident Bryant will be able to help the team the rest of the season.

Bryant was asked his reaction to those comments today.

“It’s not my business to worry about what someone else says,” he told Fittipaldo. “You have to prove yourself to him. I wasn’t down on myself about what he said.”




Obviously, there isn’t much that needs to be repeated about Bryant’s saga. It’s been a frustrating year dating all the way back to training camp when the league dragged their feet about finally reinstating Bryant. It took until halfway through camp, compounding the issue of time missed and with very little time to get back on the train. With his struggles this season and JuJu Smith-Schuster’s impressive play, Bryant has had his snaps scaled back and his role in the offense diminished.

The Steelers will have to hope they bye calmed things down and reset Bryant for the remaining half of the season. He’s still a key part of the offense, capable of scoring on any given snap, and while there’s still been problems, he and Ben Roethlisberger have been closing on hooking up for a few big plays this year. Not all the issues on the field have been his fault.

In 2017, Bryant has just a lone reception of 40+ yards. In each of his other two years, he’s had five each. That big-play potential is still there. If Bryant can handle things right off the field, he’ll be much better for it come gameday.

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what now genius?

 

[TDX27]

Let's talk about what's important here. JuJu got his drivers license!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[21STEELERS21]

the Pats have 5 guys with 30 plus catches and the Steelers have 2. There are plenty of balls for JuJu, Bryant and Rogers
to step up their game for. Increase your 3rd down proficiency and their are more balls for everyone.

 

[Coach]

I was going to write a long, well thought out response to this. However, as I read what you're writing, I can only come to one conclusion. You are being purposefully obtuse.
Defense's are geared to take Brown out of the game. He still produces at historically good numbers. Before and including last week, no team was gearing up to face Ju Ju. Now that he's had his coming out party, teams have/will take notice. I'd like to see the kid succeed against the type of scrutiny Brown faces game in and game out before anointing him in the blood of Stallworth and Ward.

btw, your use of certain key stats seems to point to the idea that you believe Ju Ju is a better all around receiver than Brown. That CAN'T be what you're getting at ... is it? smh

Your reply was obtuse, mine football related. AB is great, except when Ben is out. If you can't see Ju-Ju getting more targets and Brown, and Bell getting a few less, well I can always show you the data.

No, I do not think Ju-Ju overall is better than Brown, but he is better at some things for sure as a WR. We'll see if you can admit that.

 

[Coach]

Let's talk about what's important here. JuJu got his drivers license!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is he going for his 21st birthday?

 

[Coach]

Again, however it ALL comes down to scoring TD's in the endzone rather than FGs. They've GOT to get that **** ironed out. And that means getting out of the ******* "dork mode" inside the 10 or the 5. That ******* empty backfield drives me insane. "Hey defense, guess what. There is NO ******* MYSTERY WHATSOEVER about what we're gonna do..." I just want to beat my head against the coffee table every time I see that formation inside the 10.

That is a problem, but I like Ju-Ju's size and hands, and he can also catch shovel passes and run with it for yardage as he's hard to bring down. He's a red zone weapon, I think.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

What size is his head though,, super genius.

 

[black and gold apex]

You throw to who is open, wins count, stats are for fantasy. Maybe this will make the others run better routs and catch the ball. Maybe defense can not double cover as much on Brown.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Your reply was obtuse, mine football related. AB is great, except when Ben is out. If you can't see Ju-Ju getting more targets and Brown, and Bell getting a few less, well I can always show you the data.

No, I do not think Ju-Ju overall is better than Brown, but he is better at some things for sure as a WR. We'll see if you can admit that.

My reply ... focusing on the fact that Brown sees double and triple coverage, plus that defenses are geared towards taking him out of the game, is obtuse and yours was football related.. OK then. So, Ju Ju doesn't benefit from Brown's presence? He must be headed for the H.O.F. already then. I think you are ... yep, sure of it... trolling. Personally, I can't think of one thing that Ju Ju does better than Brown. I've seen Brown do it all for a number of years. Does Ju Ju show the potential to do some things better as he matures? I'll agree to that.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

? He must be headed for the H.O.F. already then. I think you are ... yep, sure of it... trolling. .

No, No he's not. He's really that dumb.

 

[Stryker]

Bryant gets less touches. It's pretty easy to see. It's already happening.

Things that JuJu is better than Brown at:
Riding Bicycles
Blocking
Tackling defenders after a turnover
Being taller
Longest receiving play in Steeler history.

AB owns the rest.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Bryant gets less touches. It's pretty easy to see. It's already happening.

Things that JuJu is better than Brown at:
Riding Bicycles
Blocking
Tackling defenders after a turnover
Being taller
Longest receiving play in Steeler history.

AB owns the rest.

Fair enough list

 

[antdrewjosh]

Interesting

 

[Drink IRON City]

Interesting

WoW, it looks like we are good at something................................................



Salute the nation

 

[Stryker]

Never thought the Pats would be dead last throwing out of a 2 TE set.