We know that. What we are lamenting is that there were no aggresive attempts to get any either. No risks taken even if they failed
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We know that. What we are lamenting is that there were no aggresive attempts to get any either. No risks taken even if they failed
Well not aggressively trying to get a 37 year old QB that was no where near what he was isn't a negative. What or who else were they going to get? There were none in the draft they passed on.
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Not just talking about Montana. And QBs come out every year. Im talking about an aggressiveness to address the position. If you are wrong you wrong. But you tried. Isnt that what everyone complained about Tombert as far as the secondary. Trade up. Sign every free agent. Thats what im referring too..
Yeah but it's not nearly as easy with a franchise QB. Teams pay them if they have one, teams let decent CBs go almost every year.
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Any QB. Someone who you thought could be better then what we had. Someone you thought could get us over the hump. Since most thought that was the position holding us back. Of course in hindsight, because i wanted Burress that year, maybe Pennington with our defense and running game might not of been so bad.
Pennington was fragile and didn't fit our offense, speaking of hindsight, had we taken Pennington we may not have taken Ben. I was wanting Burress as well.
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And again im saying all these things in hindsight. I never said any of these things at the time except maybe Montana. I remember that. But even that i understood. I liked Kordell he was just a mentally fragile. One bad throw he went into the dumps. And he also tried to hard to be a pocket passer. Instead of being who he was. I also got caught up in the Tommy Gun offense lol. So im not really knocking Cowher or the Steelers. I just hate the excuse used well he didnt have. Cause they sure as hell didnt leave no stone unturned looking for someone either.
Yeah fragile behind the jets line lol. Maybe not so much behind ours. He was accurate though. Moved the chains.
True, but he was more of a west coast qb, our line was really good in 2001, struggled in 02, and was bad in 2003. I'd say it was the right decision to pass on him.
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I cant say it wasnt cause i wanted Plex bad. Wanted no part of that trade..also liked Urlacher
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The problem with Joe and a lot of the OLDER QBs is their health. Joe had back issues and didn't last long in Kansas City plus remember I'm only going from "aged" memory. Montana might have been a short term answer for the Burgh but I think the team / coach / owners were looking for more long term at QB. Also we, US fans haven't a clue as to how much Cohwer per sued different QBs in his time as a coach. NOT all things are made public as there is a lot of "back door" talking going on amongst teams.
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BRADY is out of the equation as we don't know how legitamite a NFL QB he actually is. Take the cheating away and how do you know where he ends up???? Definately NOT a 5 time SB winner.
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How many legit to tier QBs were there when Cowher took over? Young, Kelly, Marino, Elway, Aikman I'm pretty confident none of them were going to be moved.
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Gotta love a QB debate about who should have or could have been our QB 20 years ago. Remember this was all PRE-Heinz Field when the Steelers could not afford to always retain their best players each year. I hated when guys would leave as walk free agents and we couldn't compete with teams offering more money. Getting revenue sharing, the luxury suits at Heinz Field and these newer tv contracts allowed the Rooney's to compete with the Krafts, Jones', Mara's, etc. Pittsburgh was considered small market and couldn't compete financially. Now that's just not the case because the game spreads the money around to the owners. Football is so much larger than it ever was.
If you look at the Steelers now and compare to 20 years ago, you would be ******* pissed if at the end of each stud player's rookie deal they became a walk free agent because that's basically how this went back then.
If you look at the Steelers now and compare to 20 years ago, you would be ******* pissed if at the end of each stud player's rookie deal they became a walk free agent because that's basically how this went back then.
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With our D and running game, we didn't need a top tier QB, but we needed someone better than Kordell and Can't Graham. There were other options out there, but we kept forcing that square peg Kordell into the round hole.
Again, tell me who? And our D and running game weren't real good late 90's
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What? Our running game and D weren't real good late 90's? Until 2002 Cohwer didn't have a scoring defense ranked outside of the top 12, in that same time he didn't have a ypg defense ranked outside the top 13, and that defense was the one in his first year. As for who, Brad Johnson (9th round 92), Jeff George (jumped from team to team, released in 96, signed with Oak and was a top 5 passer), Mark Brunell (5th round 93), Elvis Grbac (8th round 93). Most of these guys bounced around the league, but were solid starters, not stars. All of them performed WAY above Kordell. Basically, what I'm saying is, we didn't even try.
1990 - Neil Odonnel 3rd round
1993 - Alex Van Pelt 8th round
1994 - Jim Miller 6th round
1995 - Kordell 2nd round
2000 - Tee Martin
2003 - Brian St Pierre
2004 - Ben
There was a five year span in which we didn't even draft a QB. And those were some pretty bad QB play years, and there wasn't even an attempt.
The Rams found Kurt Warner in 1998 from NFL Europe. Maybe it was the lousy scouting dept's fault. But to go 5 years without a single drafted QB, bringing in bottom of the barrel type back ups that couldn't even handle holding duties, let alone get in a game and not lose is unacceptable. Since Cowher retired, his faults were forgotten, the countless fire Cowher threads faded into oblivion.
I was Cowher fan, and I am a Tomlin fan, both have/had their faults, both have had success, both are good coaches. But it is absolutely funny to me, how everyone wants to run Tomlin out the door and is praising Cowher like he was a perfect coach, that didn't lose AFCCG games at home, and reached the Super Bowl more than twice.
I think Breeze was a second rounder.
I also thought Elway was a first pick, so we wouldn't have had a chance to draft him.
I also thought Elway was a first pick, so we wouldn't have had a chance to draft him.
cmon man
yinz can't say Urlacher
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My cousin is a Bears fan i used to post that on his FB all the time
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The message boards weren't really well developed during the late 90s. Most of the heat on Cowher was on the talk shows, and there was plenty, including some nasty personal rumors. I couldn't find a good Steeler board back then, and spent most of my time on the old "Ravens Suckzone", which is still the greatest message board ever. There were only a couple of us Steeler guys on that board, but the entertainment value there was just beyond belief.
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Message boards were around enough for me to remember MANY fire Cowher threads on THIS board. It was sometimes a weekly thing, complaining about the run run pass punt offense, playing not to lose, can't win the big game, can't draft, can't develope corners, etc. So pretty much replace Tomlin's name with Cowher and it's pretty much the same as it is now.
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Yep. I remember those days as well. I was screaming for Cowhers head. The AFCC game failures. All the FG's we would kick. When we drafted Ben I couldn't believe. All the rumors leading up to the draft was Cowher loved Andrews.
My point about the defense wasn't that they were trash, but they weren't good enough to carry a team even if we had an old QB .
Why would they draft anyone pre 1996 draft? The organization thought Neil was good enough with that D and running game.
Brad Johnson? Jeff George? Elvis Grbac? Really, those guys aren't any better than Neil was. I don't consider guys drafted real late misses, every team passed on them multiple times.
Fans and so called experts thought Kordell was the new type QB after the 1997 season
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