Pats trade Jamie Collins to Browns

[Steelerfan81]

Poor ******* mustve really pissed on BB. Traded from 7-1 to 0-8 Cleveland for a third round pick. Wtf.

 

[Ike Kelly]

He apparently demanded a Von Miller contract. Bleacher Report says he will be franchised by Cleveland.


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[Bigappleyinzer]

Doesnt make sense...

1.) The Patriots are a team primed to win "right now", and their only weak link is the defense. So why trade their best defensive player?

2.) As smart as Beli may appear, his draft history is less than stellar. In fact, he does bettter with FA's and castoff's. So how much value is he getting from a 3rd round pick??

Just screams arrogance to me.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Doesnt make sense...

1.) The Patriots are a team primed to win "right now", and their only weak link is the defense. So why trade their best defensive player?

2.) As smart as Beli may appear, his draft history is less than stellar. In fact, he does bettter with FA's and castoff's. So how much value is he getting from a 3rd round pick??

Just screams arrogance to me.

Why do you need to break the bank on one player when you are telling all the players the play before the snap. Anybody you plug in will look great

 

[Coach]

Poor ******* mustve really pissed on BB. Traded from 7-1 to 0-8 Cleveland for a third round pick. Wtf.

WOW, Collins is a very good player. He can rush the passer, cover, or tackle well. I'd take him for a third, but New England to too smart to trade him to the Steelers, and the Browns will offer better 3rd round pick.

I like this move as it weakens the cheaters.

 

[deljzc]

The Pats just traded for Kyle Van Noy this week as well to fill his spot on the roster.

They are coming up on some decisions on defense contract-wise and Belichick is already 2-3 steps ahead and planning where he needs to be.

Our team doesn't plan worth ****. When a problem comes up we can all see 2-3 years from now, our team will throw top draft picks at it in droves and be 2-3 years late in finally fixing it.

We saw it with the O-line. We saw it with the linebackers (still not fixed despite throwing all those picks at it). We see it with the DB's.

 

[steel shinin]

The Pats just traded for Kyle Van Noy this week as well to fill his spot on the roster.

They are coming up on some decisions on defense contract-wise and Belichick is already 2-3 steps ahead and planning where he needs to be.

Our team doesn't plan worth ****. When a problem comes up we can all see 2-3 years from now, our team will throw top draft picks at it in droves and be 2-3 years late in finally fixing it.

We saw it with the O-line. We saw it with the linebackers (still not fixed despite throwing all those picks at it). We see it with the DB's.

Yes. All of this absolutely yes. The front office has gotten very reactive instead of proactive and in large part it's probably due to the fact that they had a ridiculously cohesive nucleus of players for almost 10 years. They have not adjusted their strategy enough to how much the league has changed and honestly how much players have changed. That is apparent when you look at the locker room and incidents. I don't think that's a Steelers culture issue necessarily but honestly but it's a culture issue.

 

[POP]

WOW, Collins is a very good player. He can rush the passer, cover, or tackle well. I'd take him for a third, but New England to too smart to trade him to the Steelers, and the Browns will offer better 3rd round pick.

I like this move as it weakens the cheaters.

This is classic Hoodie and Pats, however, I question the timing. Once a player takes the position of "I want paid market value" they get shipped out. They do this consistently: Ty Law, Richard Seymour, Revis, on and on. So, in talks, they must have found out Collins had no intention of agreeing to a bargain deal. As I saw in a "behind the scenes" video - a meeting of BB, Kraft and GM - Kraft asked about a player, "Does he want to be a Patriot" and it seemed obvious that was code for "Will he accept a deal for less than market value." I am not even criticizing the tactic; it seems to keep them contending year after year after year. But why move Collins now instead of getting play out of him during a season where they are obviously contending for another ring? That makes no sense, unless Collins was poisoning the locker room, being negative and hurting team chemistry. That is the only thing I can think of that makes this move logical.

 

[Coryea]

**** New England, so sick of hearing everyone, everywhere suck their balls.

 

[POP]

The Pats just traded for Kyle Van Noy this week as well to fill his spot on the roster.

They are coming up on some decisions on defense contract-wise and Belichick is already 2-3 steps ahead and planning where he needs to be.

Our team doesn't plan worth ****. When a problem comes up we can all see 2-3 years from now, our team will throw top draft picks at it in droves and be 2-3 years late in finally fixing it.

We saw it with the O-line. We saw it with the linebackers (still not fixed despite throwing all those picks at it). We see it with the DB's.

No, no, no, ALL of Pats success is from cheating. Haven't you been around here long enough?

This team is pretty horrid at planning ahead, especially under Cool Shades. And don't forget the **** position they put us in at QB after the 1995 season. We had years of Korky, Tomczak, Miller, Maddox and FrankenGraham.

"Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, fire blitzes bad!"

"We must tell Master FrankenCowher about it."

 

[POP]

**** New England, so sick of hearing everyone, everywhere suck their balls.

They do get tons of gloss, but, honestly, you don't think it's deserving? Tell me, who appears to be a better team than the Pats right now?

I can think of no team. Tell me who looks better right now?

They went 3-1, sometimes with a rookie, 4th-string QB. Now that Brady is back, they are caving in everyone's skulls. They made our D look like we played a bunch of cup cakes out there. We were listless, lifeless and feckless.

 

[Steelerfan81]

This is classic Hoodie and Pats, however, I question the timing. Once a player takes the position of "I want paid market value" they get shipped out. They do this consistently: Ty Law, Richard Sherman, Revis, on and on. So, in talks, they must have found out Collins had no intention of agreeing to a bargain deal. As I saw in a "behind the scenes" video - a meeting of BB, Kraft and GM - Kraft asked about a player, "Does he want to be a Patriot" and it seemed obvious that was code for "Will he accept a deal for less than market value." I am not even criticizing the tactic; it seems to keep them contending year after year after year. But why move Collins now instead of getting play out of him during a season where they are obviously contending for another ring? That makes no sense, unless Collins was poisoning the locker room, being negative and hurting team chemistry. That is the only thing I can think of that makes this move logical.

Richard Sherman never played for the Pats.. assume you mean Dick Seymour

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Maybe it was a case like Blount and the steelers. Rather than just release him , they actually got something for him

 

[Ike Kelly]

No, no, no, ALL of Pats success is from cheating. Haven't you been around here long enough?

This team is pretty horrid at planning ahead, especially under Cool Shades. And don't forget the **** position they put us in at QB after the 1995 season. We had years of Korky, Tomczak, Miller, Maddox and FrankenGraham.

"Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, fire blitzes bad!"

"We must tell Master FrankenCowher about it."

Let's review.....since the beginning of the Belichick era in NE, there has been numerous infractions identified AND punishment given. We won't delve into the entire fallout from Spygate because we will never know the amount of rules violations, since the full scope of evidence was destroyed to "save face" for the NFL. But there have been others well documented and obviously the stigma is permanently attached to Krafts franchise until the coach retires or he leaves. What other franchise has the same stigma? Besides the Saints bounty gate, which by far was more heavily scrutinized than Spygate, I don't see any other franchise having such significant problems. The Dallas/Redskins salary cap penalties was due to taking advantage of the CBA situation, but no where near the magnitude of repeated actions from the NE franchise.

BTW, Most already know this but I will conclude by reminding that the QB's mentioned (and pictured) have absolutely nothing to do with the current head coach or team president. That was Cowher and Tom Donohoe. We all know how that turned out. So try to keep your agendas on the correct topic.


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[POP]

Doesnt make sense...

1.) The Patriots are a team primed to win "right now", and their only weak link is the defense. So why trade their best defensive player?

2.) As smart as Beli may appear, his draft history is less than stellar. In fact, he does bettter with FA's and castoff's. So how much value is he getting from a 3rd round pick??

Just screams arrogance to me.

You are right BB is no master at drafting (or whoever is the key person making draft decisions). They seem to miss on a lot of picks.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm

They are good at acquiring tons of picks, but even with throwing out such large nets they don't hit on many players. If those drafts were done in Pgh, I'd be screaming about them.

Like I said, the ONLY way trading collins makes sense is if he was hurting team unity at this point.

 

[POP]

Let's review.....since the beginning of the Belichick era in NE, there has been numerous infractions identified AND punishment given. We won't delve into the entire fallout from Spygate because we will never know the amount of rules violations, since the full scope of evidence was destroyed to "save face" for the NFL. But there have been others well documented and obviously the stigma is permanently attached to Krafts franchise until the coach retires or he leaves. What other franchise has the same stigma? Besides the Saints bounty gate, which by far was more heavily scrutinized than Spygate, I don't see any other franchise having such significant problems. The Dallas/Redskins salary cap penalties was due to taking advantage of the CBA situation, but no where near the magnitude of repeated actions from the NE franchise.

So, you mean the "wrong doing" that was so routine that coaches around the league said it was no big deal, and most every team did something along the same lines, including Bill Cowher? Next, you will tell me deflate-gate was such a big deal, that AFTER the balls were given proper pressure, is when the Pats THEN put up 28 points AFTER the balls were inflated? Is that what you are going to tell me?

BTW, Most already know this but I will conclude by reminding that the QB's mentioned (and pictured) have absolutely nothing to do with the current head coach or team president. That was Cowher and Tom Donohoe. We all know how that turned out. So try to keep your agendas on the correct topic.

The prior post made mention of how this TEAM (regardless of coach or GM) makes a habit of ignoring future needs, and not planning ahead very well, mentioning OL and CB as examples. I responded, in kind, that the QB position was also not addressed well enough post 1995 until we finally got Ben. If I am not mistaken, the team was under the same ownership in both the post-1995 era and the post-Cowher era. So while the coach and GM may have changed, the ownership remained consistent, and both eras failed to plan well enough with certain positions. We all know the Rooneys are active in making draft and (inactive) in free agent moves. I brought up the QB position, and how it was mostly ignored, in the span of 1996 through 2001. The reluctance to plan and act for the future by ignoring certain units could be illuminated in the OL, CB in QB positions. It matters not who the HC and GM were, the point remains consistent. The Rooneys have a track record of once a unit is hailed as needing attention from fans and media, they dig their heals in to prove the people wrong, usually at the expense of their own team's success.

 

[ExUSAF]

Maybe it was a case like Blount and the steelers. Rather than just release him , they actually got something for him

Sorry but I don't recall Mel Blount ever playing for anyone but the Steelers. Did we have another Blount at some point?

 

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

Sorry but I don't recall Mel Blount ever playing for anyone but the Steelers. Did we have another Blount at some point?

Probably referring to that fuckface that quit on the team. He was rewarded by getting released so NE could sign him, and then getting a ring.

 

[ark steel]

I'm confused. Van Noy is a former 2nd round pick who, in 2.5 years has a combined 39 tackles, 1 sack, 1 PD, no int's, no ff, no FR. If we traded even a 7th for that, Tomlin would be the dumbest guy on the planet.

you are losing a guy who has 291 tackles in 3.5 years, 10.5 sacks, 10 FF, 4 FR, 5 INT's and 16 PD;s/.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Terrible trade by the Pats that will be called brilliant because the Pats did it. Collins is pretty much their only great player on defense, Sure, they may not be planning on signing him long term but you're still trying to win the Super Bowl this year. This smacks of arrogance. They think they don't need him.

Great move for Browns. Collins is young and will be the heart of their defense for years. If the browns can find a QB for next year, they are better than the Bengals and Ravens

 

[SteelerFan448]

I don't get this move for the Pats. Knowing them, they'll find someone to plug in, but I know I would have LOVED for the Steelers to make this move. Collins isn't a top pass rusher, but he's one of the best all-around linebackers in the NFL.

 

[Litos]

Terrible trade by the Pats that will be called brilliant because the Pats did it. Collins is pretty much their only great player on defense, Sure, they may not be planning on signing him long term but you're still trying to win the Super Bowl this year. This smacks of arrogance. They think they don't need him.

Great move for Browns. Collins is young and will be the heart of their defense for years. If the browns can find a QB for next year, they are better than the Bengals and Ravens

agree, this reminds me of the chandler jones trade, stupid as hell too.
Right now Chandler Jones has 5 sacks, more than Collins and Sheard together. Let's see what the almight cheaters got for him:
- a 2nd round pick #61 overall, who they traded for #72 where they picked Guard Joe Thuney (starting as a rookie) and #112 WR Mitchell who has a total of 6 catches this season.
- Jonathan Cooper, later released and picked by the browns

So they got rid of a guy they wouldn't pay but what they got back is totally pedestrian in comparison to Jones production and is not like any of those rooks look like a future pro bowler

Yeah, those patriots really are geniuses when trading assets

 

[SteelerFan448]

Yeah, those patriots really are geniuses when trading assets

And they're right on track to win the top seed in the AFC again all while playing four games without their quarterback.

 

[Litos]

And they're right on track to win the top seed in the AFC again all while playing four games without their quarterback.

what does one thing has anything to do with the other? They would be even more scary with better trades

 

[Ike Kelly]

So, you mean the "wrong doing" that was so routine that coaches around the league said it was no big deal, and most every team did something along the same lines, including Bill Cowher? Next, you will tell me deflate-gate was such a big deal, that AFTER the balls were given proper pressure, is when the Pats THEN put up 28 points AFTER the balls were inflated? Is that what you are going to tell me?



The prior post made mention of how this TEAM (regardless of coach or GM) makes a habit of ignoring future needs, and not planning ahead very well, mentioning OL and CB as examples. I responded, in kind, that the QB position was also not addressed well enough post 1995 until we finally got Ben. If I am not mistaken, the team was under the same ownership in both the post-1995 era and the post-Cowher era. So while the coach and GM may have changed, the ownership remained consistent, and both eras failed to plan well enough with certain positions. We all know the Rooneys are active in making draft and (inactive) in free agent moves. I brought up the QB position, and how it was mostly ignored, in the span of 1996 through 2001. The reluctance to plan and act for the future by ignoring certain units could be illuminated in the OL, CB in QB positions. It matters not who the HC and GM were, the point remains consistent. The Rooneys have a track record of once a unit is hailed as needing attention from fans and media, they dig their heals in to prove the people wrong, usually at the expense of their own team's success.

So routine? Coaches said no big deal, every team did along the same line? Uh, links for this please. You are delusional.

Most coaches, especially Cowher never made excuses. And they wouldn't call out another head coach in the NFL fraternity. They may acknowledge they don't like each other, but a coach won't make excuses for not winning due to situations beyond their control ( or on rare occasions)

Cowher never saiid teams did what NE did, he said stealing signals is part of the game and you prepare for it. What NE was way beyond what Cowher was talking about,

And deflate-gate, give me a break. That was a sting operation. Everyone knows Goodell was pressured to investigate by the majority of owners as payback to the embarrassing position Spygate put the league in. So investigating Brady and NE, which Goodell mangled anyway was the final notice for Kraft and Belichick.

Sure make mention of how this TEAM conducts football business. Besides NE with their asterisks, how many other teams have been to three Superbowls since 2000 and won at least two of them without controversy?

And how do you know the Rooney's involvement is as large as you suggest? During Cowher's era, Donahue ran the draft and FA. When Cowher got tired of Donahue blaming coaches not 'coaching and being flat for playoff games, who won that battle? Dan Rooney relied on the talent evaluators and coaches, but gave the final ok. The Rooney's let people do their job. You portray them as the Jerry Jones and Snyders of the world. Please......


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