Very early Sean Davis impressions.

[CoolieMan]

Some are making plays, others are not. Show me where Gay is not doing well

show me where he has made a play in this drill since they put on pads? the links to the last two days write ups are in these threads....the plays I listed are the only ones in the 71 written up on this drill, where the DB made the play to prevent a completion.

 

[diver]

Nothing wrong with the play by play we are getting Diver. It only sucks when people use one or two plays to justify their wack *** opinion over a draft pick cause the steelers didn't take their guy..I wanted Billings bad as hell thru the draft process. Know how many times I've thought about him since the draft. 0 til just now. **** him he plays for the Bengals. Its over. Good plays made by these guys is just that PRACTICE..you just hope the good plays carry over to the game.

Heh. Could you imagine when you started your first job as a professional straight out of college if they had a play by play? Dear God, as many mistakes as I made I would be a basket case if I was evaluated on every little thing.

I think it's terrible. I won't read it. Maybe I am getting old and curmudgeonly, but I like the old days better when it pertains to this. You knew camp opened, and the next time you knew anything was in a preseason game.

It just feeds the draft guys. The minute a guy they didn't want looks iffy, they pounce. Now, if the guy turns out to be good, probably won't hear a peep out of them later.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I played and coached. What did you do? perhaps neither. I watch the clips of draft prospects and read scouting reports. Do you? I doubt it.

Davis struggles in coverage.

Judging by your replies to what I posted, it looks like I have a stalker-like a fan.

Here's what the NFL.com had to say about Davis in coverage: Read it!

At times was disastrous in man coverage. Dinged for 614 yards receiving against him. Slow, upright backpedal and clunky when turning to run. Seemed to be too big and lacking in foot quickness needed to play cornerback. Flagged for four pass interferences, a late hit, and a personal foul this year. Charged with ten touchdowns allowed over last two seasons. Missed tackle numbers are troubling with 40 over last three years. Allows too much separation and can’t click and close on throws.

>>>Very Ealry in camp, he can't seem to cover WR's and I'm not talking about Brown, Wheaton or Coates.

I also played and coached. And that means diddly squat compared to anyone on this board. Clips and scouting reports so that makes you an expert. Yet you are the genius who stated that Troy possibly the best safety ever would be a bust because his head was too big. What clips did you watch then to come to that conclusion?? No you don't have a stalker but every time I catch you telling half truths or using half the stats to support your bullshit I'm going to call you on it.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Heh. Could you imagine when you started your first job as a professional straight out of college if they had a play by play? Dear God, as many mistakes as I made I would be a basket case if I was evaluated on every little thing.

I think it's terrible. I won't read it. Maybe I am getting old and curmudgeonly, but I like the old days better when it pertains to this. You knew camp opened, and the next time you knew anything was in a preseason game.

It just feeds the draft guys. The minute a guy they didn't want looks iffy, they pounce. Now, if the guy turns out to be good, probably won't hear a peep out of them later.

Anybody who does that doesn't understand football to be honest. People like that call troy a bust because his head too big.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Some are making plays, others are not. Show me where Gay is not doing well

Very rare for anyone to make a play during these drills unless the receiver falls or gets tangled up in the drill. I don't know what type of player Davis is going to be, but evaluating him on a few reps in this particular drill is completely misguided.

 

[bermudasteel]

I have a feeling both the two top rookies will see significant playing time this year.

Methinks you're right...

 

[POP]

I also played and coached. And that means diddly squat compared to anyone on this board. Clips and scouting reports so that makes you an expert. Yet you are the genius who stated that Troy possibly the best safety ever would be a bust because his head was too big. What clips did you watch then to come to that conclusion?? No you don't have a stalker but every time I catch you telling half truths or using half the stats to support your bullshit I'm going to call you on it.

Now, see, THIS I have no problem with. This is what a message board should be about. If you can demonstrate, in the context of logic, that he is dealing in half truths, then that is 100% fair game.

What I don't understand are the ad hominem attacks that just don't seem appropriate. If you can illustrate that some of his assertions are invalid, so be it. Do it all day long.

I think some are just threatened by Coach's high Wonderlic score.

 

[bermudasteel]

Now, see, THIS I have no problem with. This is what a message board should be about. If you can demonstrate, in the context of logic, that he is dealing in half truths, then that is 100% fair game.

What I don't understand are the ad hominem attacks that just don't seem appropriate. If you can illustrate that some of his assertions are invalid, so be it. Do it all day long.

I think some are just threatened by Coach's high Wonderlic score.

Since when is 13 high???

 

[POP]

Very rare for anyone to make a play during these drills unless the receiver falls or gets tangled up in the drill. I don't know what type of player Davis is going to be, but evaluating him on a few reps in this particular drill is completely misguided.

It could be. Perhaps putting ANY weight into what a rookie does in these drills is silly.

BUT, if you had to say, one way or another, if he is looking strong so far, the answer is no.

His proclaimed weaknesses coming out of college were:

Negatives:

Right now, Davis plays better with the ball in front of him and when he can come downhill. He needs to work on his footwork and technique in coverage. He can get turned around and lose his man on combination routes. He tends to get high in his backpedal and is struggles in his transition, but more from a technique standpoint rather than stiffness. In coverage, Davis can get too aggressive with his hands which lead to penalties. Not necessarily a negative, but he might be better suited as a Safety rather than corner, at least to start his career.

Overall:

There is a lot to like about Davis. He has great size and although he is raw, you can see the athleticism to play corner down the road. He is very aggressive coming downhill and is a very good open field tackler. On tape, you can see his lack of experience at corner as his footwork and his awareness get him in trouble at times, but there was marked improvement over the course of the season. I think Belichick would love his versatility and his size, speed combination. Davis reminds me a lot of Eric Rowe from last years draft. For me, he is a fringe day 2/day 3 guy.

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2016/01/scouting-report-sean-davis-cbs.html

Oh, it just so happens to be from a Pats site. Drum up the boring claims once again.

This guy thought he was a "fringe day 2, day 3 player." Day 3 is 4th rounder at earliest. We did use a 2nd rounder on a very raw player. I prefer round 2 is used on more known and established quality.

 

[Coach]

Oh, it just so happens to be from a Pats site. Drum up the boring claims once again.

This guy thought he was a "fringe day 2, day 3 player." Day 3 is 4th rounder at earliest. We did use a 2nd rounder on a very raw player. I prefer round 2 is used on more known and established quality.

The Cowboys board had Davis as a 5th rounder. If we picked Davis in round four, I would not be this vocal on the pick.

 

[Coach]

Very rare for anyone to make a play during these drills unless the receiver falls or gets tangled up in the drill. I don't know what type of player Davis is going to be, but evaluating him on a few reps in this particular drill is completely misguided.

I think very rarely isn't the way to put it. It's day 5 today. I just want to see some of the younger " locks " to make the team make plays,

Below is some one on one match up. WR's vs DB's. You see some DB's win their match up. Taken from Day 4 of camp:


We have some WR/DB one-on-ones to go through. So let’s get to it.

1. Heyward-Bey turns late (or the ball was early) and a curl screeches through his hands. Coverage was against Mike Mitchell.

2. Eli Rogers runs a quick out against Montell Garner and makes a simple grab. Rogers looks to turn upfield but Garner grabs the back of his jersey to stop him.

3. Donald Washington is aggressive in his press off the line but Coates is able to swap hips and run vertically. Washington gets caught up in Coates’ feet and falls to the ground ten yards in, leaving Coates to make an easy catch.

4. Doran Grant makes a nice play on a Norwood in-breaking route, punching the ball out from behind.

]5. Issac Blakeney does a nice job to break down and work back to the football, hauling in the throw against Al-Hajj Shabazz.

6. Senquez Golson has tight coverage on Ayers all the way but Ayers makes a diving grab on an out route. Ayers has solid hands and makes tough catches.

7. Robert Golden is giving a cushion versus Marcus Tucker but the young receiver fails to get his head around in time and the pass is incomplete.

8. Canaan Severin slipped out of his break on a comeback (the field was a little torn up with all the rain that’s gone through) but makes the catch while going to the ground versus Ray Vinopal.


9. Jordan Dangerfield is all over Norwood, who tries to run a curl, but the safety breaks it up.

10. Ross Ventrone giving a cushion to Issac Blakeney who runs a curl and makes a pretty effortless catch.

 

[CoolieMan]

I think very rarely isn't the way to put it. It's day 5 today. I just want to see some of the younger " locks " to make the team make plays,

Below is some one on one match up. WR's vs DB's. You see some DB's win their match up. Taken from Day 4 of camp:


We have some WR/DB one-on-ones to go through. So let’s get to it.

1. Heyward-Bey turns late (or the ball was early) and a curl screeches through his hands. Coverage was against Mike Mitchell.

2. Eli Rogers runs a quick out against Montell Garner and makes a simple grab. Rogers looks to turn upfield but Garner grabs the back of his jersey to stop him.

3. Donald Washington is aggressive in his press off the line but Coates is able to swap hips and run vertically. Washington gets caught up in Coates’ feet and falls to the ground ten yards in, leaving Coates to make an easy catch.

4. Doran Grant makes a nice play on a Norwood in-breaking route, punching the ball out from behind.

]5. Issac Blakeney does a nice job to break down and work back to the football, hauling in the throw against Al-Hajj Shabazz.

6. Senquez Golson has tight coverage on Ayers all the way but Ayers makes a diving grab on an out route. Ayers has solid hands and makes tough catches.

7. Robert Golden is giving a cushion versus Marcus Tucker but the young receiver fails to get his head around in time and the pass is incomplete.

8. Canaan Severin slipped out of his break on a comeback (the field was a little torn up with all the rain that’s gone through) but makes the catch while going to the ground versus Ray Vinopal.


9. Jordan Dangerfield is all over Norwood, who tries to run a curl, but the safety breaks it up.

10. Ross Ventrone giving a cushion to Issac Blakeney who runs a curl and makes a pretty effortless catch.

the two you highlighted are the ones I pointed out to you as the only "wins" by the DB on Day 4....Day 3 had 4 DB wins...so 6 wins out of 71 plays written up...that is "rare" wins......and the two wins you highlight were against Norwood...

 

[antdrewjosh]

The Cowboys board had Davis as a 5th rounder. If we picked Davis in round four, I would not be this vocal on the pick.

What does the Cowboys board have to do with our board??? What does the Cowboys board have to do with the 31 other teams?? Oh I know the Cowboys board validates your argument so no other boards matter..

 

[POP]

Since when is 13 high???

Try 38. You only scored 13?

 

[Coach]

What does the Cowboys board have to do with our board??? What does the Cowboys board have to do with the 31 other teams?? Oh I know the Cowboys board validates your argument so no other boards matter..

Pop pointed out that a guy from the Patriots boards said "fringe day 2, day 3 player." for Davis.

I pointed out that the Cowboys draft board had Davis rated as a 5th round pick.

Just third party opinions. I happen to concur with them, we reached a bit for Davis.

 

[Coach]

Since when is 13 high???

I guess it's all relative. If your Tee Martin....

 

[antdrewjosh]

Pop pointed out that a guy from the Patriots boards said "fringe day 2, day 3 player." for Davis.

I pointed out that the Cowboys draft board had Davis rated as a 5th round pick.

Just third party opinions. I happen to concur with them, we reached a bit for Davis.

So two teams, you know there are 30 more teams. When you get their boards let me know because I'm sure you can find at least two teams who had him rated higher. Which makes your argument pointless. You have only used two teams that support your argument. Again using half the data available to you. **** way less then half

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Pop pointed out that a guy from the Patriots boards said "fringe day 2, day 3 player." for Davis.

I pointed out that the Cowboys draft board had Davis rated as a 5th round pick.

Just third party opinions. I happen to concur with them, we reached a bit for Davis.

Sorry any post that starts with "Pop pointed out" as a supporting statement can not be taken seriously.

 

[SteelerSask2]

You are called coach. So I assume you have coached football. I know I've coached a lot of football. I've run a lot of one on one pass drills. I would say that with people of this talent caliber involved, in space with no rush, you should complete about 90% of the passes. The receiver doesn't have to account for other defenders. there is no fear of real contact. Hell in real games with a pass rush and other factors they still often complete over 60%. So the remaining 10% incomplete are bad throws, dropped balls and the occasional break up. What I would look for in a one on one from the defender is, athleticism (hips, transition running and tracking etc.) You could read almost zero in one on one from a defenders point of view.

 

[Coach]

Sorry any post that starts with "Pop pointed out" as a supporting statement can not be taken seriously.

Would it matter who posted it? It's a 3rd party opinion.

 

[Coach]

You are called coach. So I assume you have coached football. I know I've coached a lot of football. I've run a lot of one on one pass drills. I would say that with people of this talent caliber involved, in space with no rush, you should complete about 90% of the passes. The receiver doesn't have to account for other defenders. there is no fear of real contact. Hell in real games with a pass rush and other factors they still often complete over 60%. So the remaining 10% incomplete are bad throws, dropped balls and the occasional break up. What I would look for in a one on one from the defender is, athleticism (hips, transition running and tracking etc.) You could read almost zero in one on one from a defenders point of view.

Data was posted, the team isn't close to completing 90% of the passes.

More like 65-70% were complete. Andrew posted such information here.

Here's my point, I used but one day to show DBs were making plays. We are on day 5 of practice in these drills. By now most of the DB's have made a play or two or three. I just don't see Davis defending what amounts to 5th -7th string types. Why is a legitimate question?

Burns is off to a rocky start, yet he has made some plays.

Video would be better to see what type of position Davis was in and his coverage on the play in general. I agree there. However Korza's description of the action to me often is spot on and what I see in the pre-season games matches what he writes.

 

[CoolieMan]

Data was posted, the team isn't close to completing 90% of the passes.

More like 65-70% were complete. Andrew posted such information here.

Here's my point, I used but one day to show DBs were making plays. We are on day 5 of practice in these drills. By now most of the DB's have made a play or two or three. I just don't see Davis defending what amounts to 5th -7th string types. Why is a legitimate question?

Burns is off to a rocky start, yet he has made some plays.

Video would be better to see what type of position Davis was in and his coverage on the play in general. I agree there. However Korza's description of the action to me often is spot on and what I see in the pre-season games matches what he writes.

No they haven't....I'll post again the on 6 times out of 71 passes written up that show the DB making a play

in the last two days, about 70 plays for this drill have been written up....I see two from yesterday (Grant vs Norwood and Dangerfield vs Norwood) where the defender caused the ball not to be caught. On Sunday, I counted 4 where you could say the defender won the battle....Garner vs Severin, Dangerfield vs Tucker, Burns vs Coates and Shabazz vs Severin.....

 

[antdrewjosh]

Data was posted, the team isn't close to completing 90% of the passes.

More like 65-70% were complete. Andrew posted such information here.

Here's my point, I used but one day to show DBs were making plays. We are on day 5 of practice in these drills. By now most of the DB's have made a play or two or three. I just don't see Davis defending what amounts to 5th -7th string types. Why is a legitimate question?

Burns is off to a rocky start, yet he has made some plays.

Video would be better to see what type of position Davis was in and his coverage on the play in general. I agree there. However Korza's description of the action to me often is spot on and what I see in the pre-season games matches what he writes.

Coach the stats I posted are for 11 vs 11 drills not the one on ones Coolie is talking about.