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13th loss to sub .500 team in 4 seasons....

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Super Dave said:
That is not how I remember it and I have been here since Day #1

Fire Cowher threads were aplenty.
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Yes you have but I don't remember it and I read this board every day. Seemed like it was more Kordell sucks or he doesn't threads then any thing else
 
antdrewjosh said:
This is my point exactly if Cowher wAnted he would still be here. And we all know he had his up and downs and there wasn't the same accountability for EVERYTHING that I see now. Miss a tackle Cowher fault. Worm burner Cowher fault. Missed block Cowher fault. I didn't see this on this board. That's my point. Tomlin is not the end all and be all of coaching but neither was Bill. I don't remember 47 fire Cowher threads. I do remember a thousand Kordell sucks threads though
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In his last year there was a lot of complaints.

Before that fans I think thought his teams performed as well as they could with their talent level.

With a franchise QB I think fans expect to make the playoffs more often than what this team does.

I think the perception was one coach most of the time overachieved

as this other one consistently underachieves.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Yes you have but I don't remember it and I read this board every day. Seemed like it was more Kordell sucks or he doesn't threads then any thing else
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All kinds of comments along those lines, as SD says. Lots of bitching about turtle-ball, etc.
 
There was bitching about Cowher left and right back then. Andrew has no clue what he's talking about. Big surprise I know.
 
Super Dave said:
That is not how I remember it and I have been here since Day #1

Fire Cowher threads were aplenty.
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No kidding. You also couldn't type "rumor" without it being censored. He had no cake walk through his career. If it wasn't his devotion to Kordell it was how he played too much "Marty-Ball" when he had the lead.

If Tomlin did not have a franchise QB then maybe he would not get as much heat but I think folks are seeing this window of opportunity closing and have a "what have you done for me lately" outlook on Tomlin.
 
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ark steel said:
I should add that I do not believe it was near the criticism or detail of Tomlin, though.
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Keep in mind that while we had message boards and other internet sites in the day, you have an exponential amount of more outlets to see the criticism now. Plus I'd guess the fantasy football fever contributes more to the fire as well
 
The old boards were full of fire Cowher threads. Especially after the loss Denver in the AFCC game. Many on here wanted to keep Donahoe and have Rooney accept Cowher's resignation.
 
JMM said:
No kidding. You also couldn't type "rumor" without it being censored. He had no cake walk through his career. If it wasn't his devotion to Kordell it was how he played too much "Marty-Ball" when he had the lead.

If Tomlin did not have a franchise QB then maybe he would not get as much heat but I think folks are seeing this window of opportunity closing and have a "what have you done for me lately" approach to the HC.
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This is exactly the difference. Cowher got a ton of heat for never getting the big one (until SBXL) and was criticized heavily for playing "Marty-Ball" or being "Field Goal Bill" and there were a lot who wanted him out. However, he had a strong following as well and the big difference is that Tomlin has had a franchise QB every year. When you watch teams with Brady and Manning win division titles and make deep playoff runs nearly every year, that becomes the expectation for your team as well. We also got to see Cowher's teams win at least one playoff game in 8 of 10 appearances and make it to 6 AFC Championship games. Tomlin's teams have been one-and-one in 3 of 5 appearances.
 
ark steel said:
I should add that I do not believe it was near the criticism or detail of Tomlin, though.
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I would counter that Cowher was a very principled and disciplined coach; Score/Time/Down/Distance always dictated how he would govern in game. He was never one for gut feelings. I think this is where Tomlin gets in trouble. A governing set of principles is what allowed us to put a stranglehold on the opposition during the endgame. It is what led to that insane 92-1-1 record (Or whatever it was)

Tomlin has done a fantastic job keeping this team together in the face of tremendous adversity; it is when he makes that makes a "gut decision" to go for a fake FG after a TV timeout that leads to an INT and TD for the opposition that invites criticism because it is so unnecessary. And he does this repeatedly which increases the frequency of the criticisms.

After this weekend I have completely lost faith that the insanity will ever change.

It's like.....like......going for 2 from the 12
 
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I'm not a Tomlin hater but losing to teams you should beat on a consistent basis is ALL about coaching. There is no other way to slice and dice it, especially when different players are involved each year. Tomlin isn't going anywhere. Butler isn't either since this is his first year. I also can't see Haley going anywhere unless offered a head coaching job. So, we are stuck with what we have. And, that is consistently coming out flat and losing to teams we should beat.

In this game, Tomlin keeps saying they went with what the D dictated to them. That is bullshit. They came out with a game plan to run, run, run. That did that early and often in the 1st quarter and it was as dumb as it gets. You come out swinging for the fences and let the other team stop you. You do not come out with a conservative game plan to start the game.
 
Super Dave said:
Tomlin has done a fantastic job keeping this team together in the face of tremendous adversity; it is when he goes for a fake FG after a TV timeout that leads to a a INT and TD for the opposition that invites criticism because it is so unnecessary.
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I got to agree with this 100%. I flew 7000 miles to watch my first game with some friends in Seattle. Was in the hawks nest waiting for the fg to come right at me and then that fake fg crap happens. It was unnecessary and totally changed the momentum of that game. The fans lifted and it became deafening in that stadium and the Seahawks wove that wave of noise to victory.

If I could sum up one defining play of this season it was that one, right up there with the hawks trying to pass it on the 1 in the Superbowl as dumbest play call ever in my book.
 
SteelerSask said:
Cowher's shortfall was playing up to good competition in the playoffs. I don't ever remember him losing a game like last week to a team like that in that situation. And I would be fine with the trade off of big playoff wins against good teams if that was happening. When was the last time?
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Even the greatest coaches of all time were upset every now and again. Sometimes by BAD teams. Cowher had his share of those . Coach Cool Shades does this EVERY year. Not just once a year, but 2 OR 3 TIMES a year! I would trade Tomlin-ball in a heart beat to have The Chin back.
 
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Coach said:
The best coaches have a command presence on the sideline and talk through the heads sets often.

Cowher used to have 1 on 1 coaching with his players, spit and all including with Ben.

Tomlin does not do this 1 on 1 sideline coaching often, nor does he talk much through the headset. He seems to delegate this to Haley or Butler.

I see little coaching. Who knows what he's talking about on the side line or in the locker room. All I know is we underachieve too often.
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I'm not sure if you saw the sound FX of the game vs Broncos but Tomlin did a lot of 1 on 1 talks with different players such as; Mike Mitchell and Shazier.

He also did quite a bit of talking through the headset, he spoke about how the corners and safeties messed up on the TD Sanders had over the top.
He seemed to know some X's and O's.. I doubt he knew what he was talking about though because according to some people on here, he doesn't understand it.

You talk about this stuff like you are so sure of it all, when really you have absolutely no clue.. pure guessing.

Now I'm sure Tomlin was just putting on a show since he knew he was going to be mic'd up but I'll believe the footage on the video over your guesses
 
Is that 13 teams who ultimately finished the season under 500? Or under 500 at the time? Because I'm sure there are some 0-1 or 0-2 teams or something that are included there if it's the latter
 
AggieSteel said:
Is that 13 teams who ultimately finished the season under 500? Or under 500 at the time? Because I'm sure there are some 0-1 or 0-2 teams or something that are included there if it's the latter
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Well I know Vikings are in there as a 0-3 team, we were also 0-3 at the time.. we both had the same record, how that is a bad loss is beyond me.
 
POP said:
Somewhat. But this one focuses on the fact that he specifically consistently losses to bad teams; the other threads I read touched on it, but were more focused on him being sloppy in general, or that people gripe because they are racists. This thread covers that he ***** the bed all the time vs. the worst teams in the NFL.
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Who is his quarterback ?
 
nooneuno said:
What are you talking about? Cowher left to spend more time with his family. If he hadn't decided to leave odds are he'd still be coaching the Steelers today.
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Am I the only one getting sick of the Cowher love bullshit here? Do you people seriously not remember how 95 % of this board wanted him to leave. When he left it was his time. Can you really not remember run,run,pass. I mean,I loved coach Bill,but it was his time. He never even wanted to draft Big Ben. I mean ,can you imagine what the last 12 years would have been like without him. People wanted him to leave as much as they wanted the Bruce to leave. We are rather spoiled here.

Now this is not to say Tomlin is the answer,I personally think he should be gone as much as 2 years ago. Our secondary has been in shambles for 4 plus years. I honestly don't know why anybody even runs against us. Maybe Coach Cowher would come back as DC.......lol
 
bmoritz said:
Why do you keep ducking the damn question? What do you hold the head coach accountable for? We're not talking about Cowher. He had his time, and it came to an end. The Steelers were right to move on from him when they did. THIS IS TOMLIN'S **** SHOW! So I ask again, what do you hold him accountable for? And please stay on topic instead of ranting about Cowher.
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Andrew, I'm STILL waiting for you to answer the damn question. It's not difficult, but you keep refusing to answer it. What do you hold Tomlin accountable for? STOP DUCKING IT!
 
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