Beachum torn ACL

[stillwright]

The first call I would make in the locker room after this would be to my agent firing his ***. I do not know how much the Steelers offered BUT he made 1.54 million this year. Not too shabby but he will probably only get the league min next year and probably can't sign with anyone until after the season starts because he will have to pass a physical. If the Steelers offered 6 yr 36 million with a 10 million bonus and 12 guaranteed he would have been way better off signing that than what he will end up making in his career now.

Yeah because he knew was going to get injured.

 

[Litos]

Yeah because he knew was going to get injured.

does anyone knows the probabilities of getting injured during a season? I bet they are higher than people might think

 

[Litos]

checking the injury report up to date it's about 4 IR'd players per team. So that's about 8% of the roster getting knocked out for the season and we are not even in week 8. Add to that severe injuries that don't cost the whole season and the odds of getting hurt through a whole season and losing on a big contract might become about 20%.
I wouldn't risk 6 millions a year for a couple more when the odds are THAT High

 

[stillwright]

checking the injury report up to date it's about 4 IR'd players per team. So that's about 8% of the roster getting knocked out for the season and we are not even in week 8. Add to that severe injuries that don't cost the whole season and the odds of getting hurt through a whole season and losing on a big contract might become about 20%.
I wouldn't risk 6 millions a year for a couple more when the odds are THAT High

If the Steeler's offered him a low ball offer why would he take? Sure he would be set financially but then all you have to do is look at Brown and his contract. And even these to situation are different. When Brown signed his deal he wasn't the player he is now. Some would say Beachum was at the top of his game...at his position. Beachum gambled and lost. I don't blame any player that does what he did. Nobody knows what the Steeler's offer was but you are probably talking millions of dollars here.

 

[scstillerfan]

I have to admit thinking Beachum would never amount to anything. He developed into an excellent LT, and now goes back to square one. I hope he gets back to 100% and eventually gets the big payday. If not from the Steelers, then elsewhere.

For now, it takes a Villa. Get 'er done big dude.

 

[swal75]

Brandon Albert tore his ACL a tad bit later in the season than this and was back for this year.

We'll probably make him a similar offer to what we did pre-injury assuming his medicals look good. I'm just glad this probably takes the transition tag off the board.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Steelers' Beachum at peace after ACL tear that could cost him millions
By Mark Kaboly
Monday, Oct. 19, 2015, 4:18 p.m.
Updated 8 hours ago

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Kelvin Beachum could only crack a smile, and you have to give him credit for that considering in a blink of an eye, he potentially lost millions of dollars.

Beachum tore the ACL in his left knee during the first half of Sunday's 25-13 win over Arizona and was placed on season-ending injured reserve Monday — two months before a certain payday that would have guaranteed him millions.

“It is what it is, man,” Beachum said Monday. “You can't worry about that type of stuff. That stuff will take care of itself when it is time to, and I said that from the get-go. I am a football player and this is one of the things that happen when you play football. It's part of the game.”

Beachum is in the final year of his rookie contract that paid him an average of $530,000 a season. The Steelers and Beachum weren't able to agree to an extension before the start of the season and Beachum had no choice but to play out his contract and test free agency in March.

Left tackles who started 34 consecutive games, including playing every snap like last year, are worth a lot. The top 12 left tackles in the league make anywhere between $8 million and $13 million a season. Beachum likely would have fallen in the lower end of that number.

A knee injury like Beachum suffered typically take a year to fully heal, and it's unlikely a team would offer big money to a player with such uncertainty surrounding him.

“(Sunday) was tough just dealing with the whole issue,” Beachum said.

“It's terrible,” guard David DeCastro said. “You hate to see something like that happen, but we have to move on.”

Enter Alejandro Villanueva.

The Steelers will transition from the smallest left tackle in the league to one of the biggest.

Villanueva, a former Army Ranger who was just moved to offensive line a little more than a year ago, is 6-foot-9, 340 pounds and will take over the position starting Sunday in Kansas City. The Steelers added veteran tackle Byron Stingily on Monday to provide depth.

“He's going to be just fine,” Beachum said of Villanueva. “I will be here to help him — a shoulder to lean on and somebody to talk to.”

Villanueva was signed last preseason after spending time with the Eagles as a defensive lineman. The Steelers moved him to tackle and put him on the practice squad as a project.

This year, the Steelers tested him as much as they could during the preseason. Villanueva played a team-high 232 snaps in five preseason games.

“Obviously, it helped me a lot,” Villanueva said of the preseason snaps. “We threw the ball quite a bit, so I was able to work on the pass protection skills. It is time to get those back and improve on what I did in the preseason.”

Villanueva played the final 43 snaps against the Cardinals and, according to his teammates, performed well. He didn't have the same feeling.

“Absolutely not,” Villanueva said about giving himself a positive grade. “I can play a lot better and my coaches expect me to play a lot better. I have to get lower, I have to get faster, I have to get better, and I have to get sharper.

“Overall, I have to get better. You can't sit back and make excuses.”

Villanueva played right tackle last year but was moved to left tackle during the preseason. After a brief stint back at right tackle, Villanueva was inserted on the left side but was capable of playing both.

Through the first six games, Villanueva was the backup to Beachum and right tackle Marcus Gilbert.

“He's ready to go,” DeCastro said. “You can tell that he's worked hard, and he's prepared. Now you have to come in and step up and he has to do that.”

Mark Kaboly is a staff writer for Trib Total Media. Reach him at mkaboly@tribweb.com or via Twitter @MarkKaboly_Trib.

 

[FordFairLane]

Yeah because he knew was going to get injured.

Exactly. You DON'T know when or if you will get injured and that is why when you get that big contract offered and you are a 6-2 300lbs LT your agent should be realistic in your demands. The Steelers didn't overpay and it worked out for them. Great job Front Office! Beachum on the other hand should be irate at his agent for not steering him to sign whatever the offer was before the injury because if Villanueva performs well the Steelers have him locked up next year then exclusive rights in 2017 which should afford them enough bargaining power to get him for a decent price tag. If I remember correctly the Steelers were offering around 8-9 million for Beachum. I forget where I read that but I did read something about him being paid on the very low end of the LT scale. Even at that he would have been far better off signing. He was not an elite LT. I for one thought he should move to LG and we should draft a true LT. He performed very well last year at LT but this year he has been below average which is why I am sure the Steelers did not want to break the bank on him. Good luck to him but if Villanueva performs I would not offer him much in terms of a contract next season.

 

[Steeltime]

Villanueva demonstrates what an Army Ranger thinks of a good-not-perfect performance:

Villanueva played the final 43 snaps against the Cardinals and, according to his teammates, performed well. He didn't have the same feeling.

“Absolutely not,” Villanueva said about giving himself a positive grade. “I can play a lot better and my coaches expect me to play a lot better. I have to get lower, I have to get faster, I have to get better, and I have to get sharper. Overall, I have to get better. You can't sit back and make excuses.”

That attitude goes a long freaking way toward improvement.

 

[SteelerAl]

Stinks for Beachum, but we were going to have to find a new LT next year anyway. At least now we will know whether Al can get the job done. It would be a huge boon to have a competent, cheap LT for a couple years since we'll be spending plenty of money on Bell and probably DeCastro as well. If we don't need to take an LT prospect high in next year's draft, it will help us go BPA (though we will certainly have to draft some more CBs and safeties).

 

[stillwright]

Exactly. You DON'T know when or if you will get injured and that is why when you get that big contract offered and you are a 6-2 300lbs LT your agent should be realistic in your demands. The Steelers didn't overpay and it worked out for them. Great job Front Office! Beachum on the other hand should be irate at his agent for not steering him to sign whatever the offer was before the injury because if Villanueva performs well the Steelers have him locked up next year then exclusive rights in 2017 which should afford them enough bargaining power to get him for a decent price tag. If I remember correctly the Steelers were offering around 8-9 million for Beachum. I forget where I read that but I did read something about him being paid on the very low end of the LT scale. Even at that he would have been far better off signing. He was not an elite LT. I for one thought he should move to LG and we should draft a true LT. He performed very well last year at LT but this year he has been below average which is why I am sure the Steelers did not want to break the bank on him. Good luck to him but if Villanueva performs I would not offer him much in terms of a contract next season.

Every season players bank on themselves to play their last year of the contract and not get hurt. Sometimes it works...other times it doesn't. Sometimes they don't actually even get hurt. Just have bad season. Why should Beachum be mad at his agent? If he was offered the money you say he was it is his own choice to either take it or leave it. Not his agents. I don't ever remember hearing or reading what the Steelers offered Beachum...Just what people thought he was offered. And if Beachum thought he was worth more than who cares. Why is it a good job by our front office? They priced Beachum at a certain price while Beachum had himself higher. Beachum tears his ACL. That's football. So it is a bad job if they sign someone and then they get hurt? And what the hell does his weight and height have to do when a team offers you a contract?

And drafting "true" LT tackles is so easy. LOL.

 

[Litos]

Given two choices, what would you do?

- Get 6 to 8 millions (probably what he was offered by the F.O,) for about 5 years right now.
- Play one more year to try to get an 8 - 10 millions contract for about 5 years with a 15 to 20% risk of getting hurt and losing it all

if you ask me I'd sign it right now and go straight to the bank. I won't risk it all for 20% more money when we are talking about millions of $ at stake

 

[Frosty]

Given two choices, what would you do?

- Get 6 to 8 millions (probably what he was offered by the F.O,) for about 5 years right now.
- Play one more year to try to get an 8 - 10 millions contract for about 5 years with a 15 to 20% risk of getting hurt and losing it all

if you ask me I'd sign it right now and go straight to the bank. I won't risk it all for 20% more money when we are talking about millions of $ at stake

Probably depends on how loud his agent is whispering in his ear.

 

[SteelerAl]

Given two choices, what would you do?

- Get 6 to 8 millions (probably what he was offered by the F.O,) for about 5 years right now.
- Play one more year to try to get an 8 - 10 millions contract for about 5 years with a 15 to 20% risk of getting hurt and losing it all

if you ask me I'd sign it right now and go straight to the bank. I won't risk it all for 20% more money when we are talking about millions of $ at stake

It's a lot easier to bet on yourself when you've already made tons of money like Revis. Much tougher when you are not already set for life.

 

[FordFairLane]

Every season players bank on themselves to play their last year of the contract and not get hurt. Sometimes it works...other times it doesn't. Sometimes they don't actually even get hurt. Just have bad season. Why should Beachum be mad at his agent? If he was offered the money you say he was it is his own choice to either take it or leave it. Not his agents. I don't ever remember hearing or reading what the Steelers offered Beachum...Just what people thought he was offered. And if Beachum thought he was worth more than who cares. Why is it a good job by our front office? They priced Beachum at a certain price while Beachum had himself higher. Beachum tears his ACL. That's football. So it is a bad job if they sign someone and then they get hurt? And what the hell does his weight and height have to do when a team offers you a contract?

And drafting "true" LT tackles is so easy. LOL.

The good job part of the front office is the FACT Beachum was not playing nearly as well as he did last year. He had a lot of penalties and caused a few sacks and hurries.

 

[stillwright]

The good job part of the front office is the FACT Beachum was not playing nearly as well as he did last year. He had a lot of penalties and caused a few sacks and hurries.

So they foresaw that in there crystal ball? That is impressive.

 

[Litos]

It's a lot easier to bet on yourself when you've already made tons of money like Revis. Much tougher when you are not already set for life.

exactly, it's dumb to risk so much in his situation

 

[SteelerAl]

So they foresaw that in there crystal ball? That is impressive.

They didn't panic and hand him a blank check just because he plays left tackle, that's for sure.

Interestingly, I've seen some research recently that says left tackles tend to be drastically overpaid in today's NFL. The best QBs get rid of ball so quickly nowadays that the left tackle isn't nearly as important as it used to be and the teams that have been most successful have not tied up too much of their cap on a LT. I'll try and dig it up. That's why it was so surprising to see the Patriots sign a ****** LT (Solder) to a big deal last month.

 

[stillwright]

They didn't panic and hand him a blank check just because he plays left tackle, that's for sure.

Interestingly, I've seen some research recently that says left tackles tend to be drastically overpaid in today's NFL. The best QBs get rid of ball so quickly nowadays that the left tackle isn't nearly as important as it used to be and the teams that have been most successful have not tied up too much of their cap on a LT. I'll try and dig it up. That's why it was so surprising to see the Patriots sign a ****** LT (Solder) to a big deal last month.

I'm not arguing anything about the Steelers not giving him a contract. I am saying I see no problem with Beachum playing out his contract. It was his choice. He alone has to deal with the results. He still might get a nice payday but it most likely will not be next off season. If he thought he could get $3 mill more a year on a 5 yr contract with a larger signing bonus so what. that is a lot of change to leave on the table. I personally hoped he would of worked a deal out with the Steelers this past off season, but with what they paid Pouncey and then Gilbert I figured that they themselves pushed Beachum price out of their range.

 

[21STEELERS21]

His biggest problem now is if his back-up plays well and we don't notice he isn't playing.

 

[stillwright]

His biggest problem now is if his back-up plays well and we don't notice he isn't playing.

He still has 31 other options out there to give him a contract.

 

[FordFairLane]

So they foresaw that in there crystal ball? That is impressive.

No, but they aren't blind to the fact Beachum is 6-2 300lbs. He's by far the smallest starting OT in the NFL and I believe they made him an offer that if they had to convert him to OG they could still justify his salary. And I don't know maybe they only consider him a tackle. Personally, I think he is a quality LT but a pro bowl caliber LG. Maybe they see it that way maybe not.

 

[Steeltime]

No, but they aren't blind to the fact Beachum is 6-2 300lbs. He's by far the smallest starting OT in the NFL.

I wish I could claim credit for noticing this point, but I most certainly cannot. I read a commentary last year noting that Beachum's legs are as long as a guy who is 6'5". His arms are as long as a guy who is 6'5". This photo shows how he is "just" 6'2" due solely to his oddly short torso:

Because he has long legs and long arms, more equivalent to a guy 6'5", Beachum has the leg strength, movement, and reach to block much taller players. In fact, his short torso puts him in position to get lower than guys who are 6'2" and taller - in other words, a ****-ton of pass rushers - while having much longer arms and legs.

That is part of the reason why he has been much better than projected for a guy "just" 6'2".

 

[FordFairLane]

I wish I could claim credit for noticing this point, but I most certainly cannot. I read a commentary last year noting that Beachum's legs are as long as a guy who is 6'5". His arms are as long as a guy who is 6'5". This photo shows how he is "just" 6'2" due solely to his oddly short torso:

Because he has long legs and long arms, more equivalent to a guy 6'5", Beachum has the leg strength, movement, and reach to block much taller players. In fact, his short torso puts him in position to get lower than guys who are 6'2" and taller - in other words, a ****-ton of pass rushers - while having much longer arms and legs.

That is part of the reason why he has been much better than projected for a guy "just" 6'2".

Did you measure the size of his head Coach?

6-2 is 6-2. At this point I am hoping the Steelers fine a gem in Alejandro Villanueva and are able to get Beachum to come back at a little bit of a discounted price and move him to LG and let Foster walk. I think Foster is a capable LG but I feel if Villanueva can be as good as he has looked at times and Beachum being as good as he is we might have the best OL in all of football. Think about having Ben step back and get to his 3rd, 4th or 5th read and having Brown and Bryant loose for that long. Or think about Bell and how many yards he could rush for if he had a great line in front of him dominating the LOS.

 

[stillwright]

Did you measure the size of his head Coach?

6-2 is 6-2. At this point I am hoping the Steelers fine a gem in Alejandro Villanueva and are able to get Beachum to come back at a little bit of a discounted price and move him to LG and let Foster walk. I think Foster is a capable LG but I feel if Villanueva can be as good as he has looked at times and Beachum being as good as he is we might have the best OL in all of football. Think about having Ben step back and get to his 3rd, 4th or 5th read and having Brown and Bryant loose for that long. Or think about Bell and how many yards he could rush for if he had a great line in front of him dominating the LOS.

Why stop there...How about him going back to his first read after his fifth. So the only thing stopping Ben from having all this great protection and time to throw was/is Foster? I hope you can get in touch with our OL coach. You might be able to teach him a thing or two. I have heard he isn't the smartest guy.