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Covid Vaccine

Do we have to go into an explanation of VAERS again? This is stupid. VAERS is an open reporting system…reports are voluntary and unverified. Millions of people got the covid vaccine all in a short period of time. In addition VAERS was heavily publicized at the time…most people had probably never even heard of VAERS before covid. The fact that VAERS received a lot of reports of miscarriage after covid vaccine is not proof of causation. Anywhere from 10-26% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage.
To prove causation you’d have to show that miscarriage rates were higher in vaccinated women than unvaccinated women. Multiple studies have shown that isn’t the case.
Can you link to the studies of the mRNA vaccines on pregnant women before they were authorized for pregnant women?
A whole lot of mixed studies here. Whi h ones agree with pFauci's concerns?
Student writer, not a study
Don't understand the utility of an Iranian study into vaccines not widely available in the west, and that didn't include the EUA shots in the US or the mRNA shots.
It is weird to note that this study suggests that miscarriages are about 5% in the normal population, while the bizarre one you cited at the top uses 9% as normal.

Which is it, or are researchers allowed to move the goalposts to fit their data, like the folks a pFucking pFraudulent pFizer did?
 
I don’t believe anyone should have been forced to take a vaccine.
Agreed. My body, my choice, with informed consent.
That said, the vaccine prevented many deaths. Unvaccinated people were more likely to die. Multiple studies prove this. While immunity waned over time and it was not effective at preventing infection, it was not without benefit and not particularly dangerous.

This summary study from a few folks at a few Caribbean "medical schools" using reported Covid deaths as the primary outcome. Since we know many, many Covid death numbers were exaggerated, especially early on as hospital funding was tied to Covid experience, how could this be useful? It's clear how it could overstate early Covid deaths, but there was no consideration.
Large clinical trials did not show ivermectin to be effective in treating covid. Ivermectin is not particularly dangerous when properly prescribed and taken, however it can be in incorrect doses not under a doctor’s supervision. It is not a “vaccine” for anything. It’s an anti-parasitic drug. Basically something that kills worms and parasites.

3 days of low dose ivermectin to a group of about 100 Brazilians. That does not seem large.
From 2017 debating about one of the safest drugs ever developed that won a Nobel Prize. Great logic.
 
I don’t believe anyone should have been forced to take a vaccine.

That said, the vaccine prevented many deaths. Unvaccinated people were more likely to die. Multiple studies prove this. While immunity waned over time and it was not effective at preventing infection, it was not without benefit and not particularly dangerous.


Large clinical trials did not show ivermectin to be effective in treating covid. Ivermectin is not particularly dangerous when properly prescribed and taken, however it can be in incorrect doses not under a doctor’s supervision. It is not a “vaccine” for anything. It’s an anti-parasitic drug. Basically something that kills worms and parasites.


The mRNA product, sorry, I refuse to call it a vaccine, because in the traditional sense it is not. Anyway, yes, it was of benefit, but only to a specific segment of the population, the elderly, and even then, without them also having comorbidities, I could argue ruling out age as a factor alone.

As far as ivermectin goes, I agree people should not have rushed off the local feed & grain supply to pick it up. I do believe, or would like to believe, that those looking for an alternative to a ventilator would have enough sense to seek out medical advice before using it.

Did it save lives, sure, did it cause harm to some that were forced or at least coerced into taking it, you bet.
This "vaccine" has the distinction of being the least effective and most harmful "vaccine" in the history of actual vaccines.

One last thing, I do agree with you that the 82% miscarriage rate is misleading, however even Fauci admitted that it caused an increase in cytokines increasing the possibility of miscarriage. If this is the case, and it appears that there was concern about it, then the percent of miscarriages would have to be higher, if even slightly higher than normal, and for that he should be held accountable.
 
I don’t believe anyone should have been forced to take a vaccine.

That said, the vaccine prevented many deaths. Unvaccinated people were more likely to die. Multiple studies prove this. While immunity waned over time and it was not effective at preventing infection, it was not without benefit and not particularly dangerous.


Large clinical trials did not show ivermectin to be effective in treating covid. Ivermectin is not particularly dangerous when properly prescribed and taken, however it can be in incorrect doses not under a doctor’s supervision. It is not a “vaccine” for anything. It’s an anti-parasitic drug. Basically something that kills worms and parasites.


Blue - Maybe.......? As Trog likes to point out, I'm no doctor/pharmacist/biologist/etc. I believe it MAY have helped those with comorbidities. But I also believe it was overblown for reasons I still can't comprehend or fathom.

Red - Again, NOT commenting on Ivermectin's effectiveness with COVID. I plainly stated that. It just made zero sense that it was demonized by the CDC and media and Fauci the way it was during COVID.

They demonized exercise, getting sunlight, and proper nutrition as well. Lots of stuff that simply didn't pass the common sense test. The same puzzling reasons they would try and pretend vaccination would be better than natural immunity. Retarded statements were made and parroted. I just don't know the exact and specific reasons behind them. We can all speculate, but we'll never know for sure because.......government.
 
Like you ignoring that truth has become stranger than fiction.



You just equated someone not being able to grasp a point with someone ignoring something.

You really do suck at this.
 
You would absolutely love that… and dance on my grave. This is the state of political discourse in America. ❤️‍🩹🇺🇸
I wouldn't dance on your grave.



Because it would be covered in everyone's piss.
 
You just equated someone not being able to grasp a point with someone ignoring something.

You really do suck at this.
And of course, Hypocrite Jones himself posted a social media video of NOT A DOCTOR talking about things concerning the human body.
He's too stupid to realize he contradicts himself constantly.
 
 
Blue - Maybe.......? As Trog likes to point out, I'm no doctor/pharmacist/biologist/etc. I believe it MAY have helped those with comorbidities. But I also believe it was overblown for reasons I still can't comprehend or fathom.

Red - Again, NOT commenting on Ivermectin's effectiveness with COVID. I plainly stated that. It just made zero sense that it was demonized by the CDC and media and Fauci the way it was during COVID.

They demonized exercise, getting sunlight, and proper nutrition as well. Lots of stuff that simply didn't pass the common sense test. The same puzzling reasons they would try and pretend vaccination would be better than natural immunity. Retarded statements were made and parroted. I just don't know the exact and specific reasons behind them. We can all speculate, but we'll never know for sure because.......government.
I’m not sure how ivermectin was demonized, other than telling people they should not take it for covid and should not buy it from veterinary sources to consume as humans. I don’t recall anyone demonizing sunlight exercise or proper nutrition. No one thinks those things are bad, nor are they cures for contagious viruses.
 
That said, the vaccine prevented many deaths. Unvaccinated people were more likely to die. Multiple studies prove this. While immunity waned over time and it was not effective at preventing infection, it was not without benefit and not particularly dangerous.
Here's the problem I have. It went from "If you get the vaccine, you will not get Covid" to "If you get the vaccine, you will not spread covid" to "Vaccinated immunity is better than natural immunity" to "If you get the vaccine, you are less likely to catch covid" to "Even though you are vaccinated, you can still catch and spread covid" to "Well, vaccinated people were less likely to end up in the hospital." Hell, they even changed the definition of the word "vaccine" becuase of this gene therapy debacle. That inspires confidence.

How does that happen? Well, maybe it's because this "vaccine" wasn't put through the necessary trials to find out just exactly what kind of protections and side effects occurrred after injection.

And still, many wonder why Americans no longer have much faith in their government. Was it lies? I don't know. Seems folks at the CDC and NIH were pretty clueless about the stuff they were demanding people inject themselves with so it's hard to tell. Either way, the Federal government blindly backed whatever Fauci said, because after all, he is the science.
 
The mRNA product, sorry, I refuse to call it a vaccine, because in the traditional sense it is not. Anyway, yes, it was of benefit, but only to a specific segment of the population, the elderly, and even then, without them also having comorbidities, I could argue ruling out age as a factor alone.

As far as ivermectin goes, I agree people should not have rushed off the local feed & grain supply to pick it up. I do believe, or would like to believe, that those looking for an alternative to a ventilator would have enough sense to seek out medical advice before using it.

Did it save lives, sure, did it cause harm to some that were forced or at least coerced into taking it, you bet.
This "vaccine" has the distinction of being the least effective and most harmful "vaccine" in the history of actual vaccines.

One last thing, I do agree with you that the 82% miscarriage rate is misleading, however even Fauci admitted that it caused an increase in cytokines increasing the possibility of miscarriage. If this is the case, and it appears that there was concern about it, then the percent of miscarriages would have to be higher, if even slightly higher than normal, and for that he should be held accountable.
Any vaccine can cause a cytokine storm. It is a rare immune system overreaction. From that perspective yes it’s possible for a vaccine to indirectly induce a miscarriage. But it’s rare. And again, pregnant women were a high risk group from covid itself, like all medical interventions it’s risk vs. benefit.
Where is the actual data that this is the most harmful vaccine in the history of vaccines? I haven’t found it, and I have looked.
 
Here's the problem I have. It went from "If you get the vaccine, you will not get Covid" to "If you get the vaccine, you will not spread covid" to "Vaccinated immunity is better than natural immunity" to "If you get the vaccine, you are less likely to catch covid" to "Even though you are vaccinated, you can still catch and spread covid" to "Well, vaccinated people were less likely to end up in the hospital." Hell, they even changed the definition of the word "vaccine" becuase of this gene therapy debacle. That inspires confidence.

How does that happen? Well, maybe it's because this "vaccine" wasn't put through the necessary trials to find out just exactly what kind of protections and side effects occurrred after injection.

And still, many wonder why Americans no longer have much faith in their government. Was it lies? I don't know. Seems folks at the CDC and NIH were pretty clueless about the stuff they were demanding people inject themselves with so it's hard to tell. Either way, the Federal government blindly backed whatever Fauci said, because after all, he is the science.
Totally agree that the way it was rolled out and the communication rightly caused people to lose trust. And as I’ve mentioned in the end it was not a super effective vaccine for many people, and many people were forced to take it who didn’t even need it. That’s wrong. I just don’t agree it was harmful or deadly. Are there uncommon risks and side effects? Yes. Like every other medical intervention from Tylenol to antibiotics.
 
Totally agree that the way it was rolled out and the communication rightly caused people to lose trust. And as I’ve mentioned in the end it was not a super effective vaccine for many people, and many people were forced to take it who didn’t even need it. That’s wrong. I just don’t agree it was harmful or deadly. Are there uncommon risks and side effects? Yes. Like every other medical intervention from Tylenol to antibiotics.
flog disputes this to the core of zer feminist beliefs. this was a holy vaccine, brought down from the heavens by pfauci himself, that usurped gold, frankincense and myrrh. this was the undisputable holiest vaccine ever created by god (pFauci) herself and the one-size fits all was as holy as the koran wrapped in bacon. watch your words, heathen woman. watch. your. words.
 
Any vaccine can cause a cytokine storm. It is a rare immune system overreaction. From that perspective yes it’s possible for a vaccine to indirectly induce a miscarriage. But it’s rare.
Yes, vaccines directly cause cytokine production, as this is a fundamental mechanism by which they stimulate protective immunity.

Why Vaccines Trigger Cytokines
When a vaccine is injected, your body recognizes the components (the antigen) as a foreign threat. Immune cells called macrophages and dendritic cells rush to the injection site, engulf the antigen, and release chemical messengers known as cytokines. This process is essential because cytokines act as a cellular alarm system, directing other immune cells to create antibodies and build long-term memory against the target pathogen.
Types of Cytokines Released
Vaccines typically trigger a transient, coordinated release of specific inflammatory and signaling cytokines, including:
Interferon-gamma (IFN-γ): Essential for stimulating T-cells to target virus-infected cells.
Interleukin-6 (IL-6) and Tumor Necrosis Factor-alpha (TNF-α): Orchestrate systemic defense mechanisms.
Interleukin-2 (IL-2): Promotes the growth and expansion of T-cells.
Chemokines (e.g., CXCL10, MCP-1): Recruit more immune cells to the injection site.

What This Feels Like
The localized surge of cytokines is the primary reason people experience mild, temporary side effects after vaccination. These side effects are clinical evidence that your immune system is working exactly as intended:

Local inflammation: Redness, swelling, and soreness at the injection site.
Systemic symptoms: Fever, muscle aches, chills, fatigue, and headaches.

The Role of Vaccine Ingredients
Different vaccine designs stimulate cytokines through different pathways:
Adjuvants: Ingredients used in traditional vaccines (like aluminum salts or oil-in-water emulsions) are specifically added to boost cytokine production and prolong the immune response.
mRNA Vaccines: The lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) used to protect the mRNA act as natural adjuvants, signaling the innate immune system to produce robust levels of IL-1β and IL-6.

While a mild increase in cytokines is necessary and safe, extremely rare complications can occur if the immune system overreacts, leading to a hyper-inflammatory response or an atypical "cytokine storm". However, for the vast majority of people, cytokine production drops back to baseline levels within a few days once the immune memory has been established

Cytokine storm:

A cytokine storm is a severe, life-threatening immune reaction where the body releases an excessive amount of signaling proteins called cytokines into the blood too quickly. This overactivation causes aggressive, widespread inflammation that can damage tissues and lead to multi-organ failure.
Common Causes
Infections: Severe viral or bacterial illnesses like COVID-19, avian influenza (bird flu), and SARS.
Autoimmune Conditions: Flare-ups of diseases like lupus or Still's disease.
Immunotherapies: Certain cancer treatments that trigger rapid immune system activation (often referred to as cytokine release syndrome).
Genetic Disorders: Inherited conditions like familial hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis (HLH).

Key Signs and Symptoms
High fever and chills
Severe fatigue and extreme weakness
Shortness of breath or trouble breathing
Confusion, dizziness, or hallucinations
Rapid heartbeat and low blood pressure
Nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea
Skin rashes


Hey look up. it actually says that vaccines can cause Covid 19 and other similar flus and stuff. who knew????
 
And of course, Hypocrite Jones himself posted a social media video of NOT A DOCTOR talking about things concerning the human body.
He's too stupid to realize he contradicts himself constantly.
She was posting her own medical advice, now was she?
 
Yes, vaccines directly cause cytokine production, as this is a fundamental mechanism by which they stimulate protective immunity.

Why Vaccines Trigger Cytokines
When a vaccine is injected, your body recognizes the components (the antigen) as a foreign threat. Immune cells called macrophages and dendritic cells rush to the injection site, engulf the antigen, and release chemical messengers known as cytokines. This process is essential because cytokines act as a cellular alarm system, directing other immune cells to create antibodies and build long-term memory against the target pathogen.
Types of Cytokines Released
Vaccines typically trigger a transient, coordinated release of specific inflammatory and signaling cytokines, including:
Interferon-gamma (IFN-γ): Essential for stimulating T-cells to target virus-infected cells.
Interleukin-6 (IL-6) and Tumor Necrosis Factor-alpha (TNF-α): Orchestrate systemic defense mechanisms.
Interleukin-2 (IL-2): Promotes the growth and expansion of T-cells.
Chemokines (e.g., CXCL10, MCP-1): Recruit more immune cells to the injection site.

What This Feels Like
The localized surge of cytokines is the primary reason people experience mild, temporary side effects after vaccination. These side effects are clinical evidence that your immune system is working exactly as intended:

Local inflammation: Redness, swelling, and soreness at the injection site.
Systemic symptoms: Fever, muscle aches, chills, fatigue, and headaches.

The Role of Vaccine Ingredients
Different vaccine designs stimulate cytokines through different pathways:
Adjuvants: Ingredients used in traditional vaccines (like aluminum salts or oil-in-water emulsions) are specifically added to boost cytokine production and prolong the immune response.
mRNA Vaccines: The lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) used to protect the mRNA act as natural adjuvants, signaling the innate immune system to produce robust levels of IL-1β and IL-6.

While a mild increase in cytokines is necessary and safe, extremely rare complications can occur if the immune system overreacts, leading to a hyper-inflammatory response or an atypical "cytokine storm". However, for the vast majority of people, cytokine production drops back to baseline levels within a few days once the immune memory has been established

Cytokine storm:

A cytokine storm is a severe, life-threatening immune reaction where the body releases an excessive amount of signaling proteins called cytokines into the blood too quickly. This overactivation causes aggressive, widespread inflammation that can damage tissues and lead to multi-organ failure.
Common Causes
Infections: Severe viral or bacterial illnesses like COVID-19, avian influenza (bird flu), and SARS.
Autoimmune Conditions: Flare-ups of diseases like lupus or Still's disease.
Immunotherapies: Certain cancer treatments that trigger rapid immune system activation (often referred to as cytokine release syndrome).
Genetic Disorders: Inherited conditions like familial hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis (HLH).

Key Signs and Symptoms
High fever and chills
Severe fatigue and extreme weakness
Shortness of breath or trouble breathing
Confusion, dizziness, or hallucinations
Rapid heartbeat and low blood pressure
Nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea
Skin rashes


Hey look up. it actually says that vaccines can cause Covid 19 and other similar flus and stuff. who knew????
No lol. That’s not what it says. It says Covid 19 and flus and stuff can cause cytokine storms.
 
No lol. That’s not what it says. It says Covid 19 and flus and stuff can cause cytokine storms.
Yes, COVID-19 vaccines can cause cytokine storms in highly rare instances, though this reaction is an exceptionally uncommon adverse effect compared to the severe hyperinflammation frequently triggered by the actual virus.

Underlying Mechanisms
When an extreme inflammatory reaction occurs after vaccination, medical research points to specific components and pathways:
Lipid Nanoparticles (LNPs): The protective fat bubbles used in mRNA vaccines can act as adjuvants, occasionally triggering the overproduction of inflammatory cytokines like IL-6 and IL-1β.
Spike Proteins: The vaccine-induced production of spike proteins can, in rare cases, prompt a cascading release of chemical messengers.
Allergic Cascades: Severe allergic reactions can cause mast cells to release massive amounts of histamine, which further drives up systemic IL-6 levels.
Gene Activation: Post-mortem and case analyses of these rare events have shown an acute upregulation of genes responsible for neutrophil degranulation and cytokine production shortly after administration.

Medical Context and Management
Rare Risk vs. Infection Risk: Public health experts emphasize that SARS-CoV-2 infection carries a significantly higher risk of inducing life-threatening cytokine storms and organ failure than vaccination.
Clinical Presentation: In the ultra-rare scenarios where a vaccine triggers this hyper-inflammatory response, it is often tied to conditions like vaccine-associated myocarditis or Kounis syndrome.
Available Treatment: When identified early, these post-vaccine immune surges are highly treatable using targeted therapies like corticosteroids, colchicine, and anti-IL-6 monoclonal antibodies such as tocilizumab.
 
Huh what? Trusted the science too much?

 
I’m not sure how ivermectin was demonized, other than telling people they should not take it for covid and should not buy it from veterinary sources to consume as humans. I don’t recall anyone demonizing sunlight exercise or proper nutrition. No one thinks those things are bad, nor are they cures for contagious viruses.
I'm not going to do the work for you, but there are countless videos and Twitter/X posts calling Ivermectin "Horse Paste" from media and the CDC itself.
Then why were people arrested for being outside, like the gentlemen who was surfing ALL BY HIMSELF, declaring him a social nuisance?
 
She was posting her own medical advice, now was she?
You can FUCKKK ALL the way off until you provide your Employer and PCP's names, addresses, and phone numbers you hypocritical waste of resources.
 
How does one explain this?



US Disabilities Hit an All-Time High of 37 Million In July: UP 23% Since Feb 2021

The Signal No One Wants to See

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The latest Bureau of Labor Statistics data is out, and the number of Americans ages 16 and over reporting a disability has hit a new all-time high of roughly 37 million. As of July 2026, the Current Population Survey series sits at 37,029,000. That’s not a rounding error or a seasonal blip. It’s the continuation of a trend that broke higher more than five years ago and has refused to mean-revert.

I’ve been tracking this series since early in the COVID era. The charts have been public for years on the Phinance Technologies site and in repeated threads on X. Month after month the total population with a disability grinds higher. From the pre-2020 plateau into early 2021 the numbers were relatively stable. Then something changed.

February 2021 marks the clear inflection. The rate of increase shifted to a new, steeper trajectory, a 3-to-4 sigma departure from the prior trend. In the years since, the survey has added seven million people. Growth of that magnitude in a mature population is not normal aging, not “long COVID” in isolation, and not some gradual sociological shift. It was sudden. It has persisted. And it continues to be treated as background noise by the same public health authorities who spent years obsessed with every other metric.

Let me address the predictable objections, because they surface every time these numbers are posted. First: “It’s just fraud. People are gaming disability benefits.” That claim collapses under basic scrutiny of the data source. This is not Social Security Disability Insurance claims. It is not SSDI awards, which lag, require medical determinations, and are subject to administrative backlogs and incentive effects. This is the Current Population Survey, the same monthly household survey that produces the unemployment rate and labor-force participation numbers. Roughly 60,000 households are contacted each month. Six simple questions are asked about serious difficulty hearing, seeing, concentrating/remembering/making decisions, walking or climbing stairs, dressing or bathing, and doing errands alone. Any “yes” classifies the person as having a disability for statistical purposes.

I laid this out in detail years ago in threads that are still easy to find. The series is real-time, not claims-driven, and has nothing to do with benefit eligibility. The questions have been consistent since 2008. Response patterns do not suddenly invent millions of new disabled respondents because the political winds shifted. When the same survey that markets, banks, and the Federal Reserve rely upon for labor-market signals produces a multi-year, multi-sigma break in disability prevalence, the responsible reaction is investigation, not dismissal.

Second: “It’s illegal aliens flooding the numbers.” This one is equally weak. Undocumented immigrants have long been known to under-respond or avoid government surveys altogether out of fear of detection, deportation risk, or general distrust of authorities. They are not lining up to answer detailed questions about household members’ health limitations over the phone or in person. If anything, the survey systematically undercounts this population relative to reality. The sharp, sustained rise in reported disability began in February 2021, well before the largest recent surges in border encounters, and has continued in a manner inconsistent with simple demographic inflows. The data do not support the claim that the disability spike is an artifact of illegal immigration.

Public health agencies and the media have largely ignored the signal. There has been no serious, transparent inquiry into why the disability rate changed slope so sharply in early 2021 and has remained elevated. Temporary explanations such as COVID itself, lockdowns, mental-health effects of isolation all fail the timing and magnitude tests. The virus was already circulating in 2020 without producing this sustained break. The sharpest acceleration aligned with the mass rollout and subsequent workplace mandates. Correlation is not causation; we are constantly reminded. Fair enough, but when a novel medical intervention is administered to hundreds of millions of working-age adults on an accelerated timeline, and the independent, high-frequency survey of population health then records a multi-sigma regime change precisely then, the burden of proof shifts. Authorities who spent years demanding every other correlation be investigated suddenly lose interest.

The economic implications are not abstract. More than 37 million people reporting disability means a permanently larger share of the population facing barriers to full participation. Labor-force participation among the disabled remains far lower than among those without disability. Employers face higher absence rates and higher costs. Insurance pools absorb elevated claims. The fiscal pressure on entitlement programs grows even if this particular survey is not the claims pipeline. All of it is occurring against a backdrop of demographic aging that was already expected to raise disability prevalence gradually but not at the abrupt rate observed since early 2021.

I have posted the charts for years: total population 16+, the civilian labor force subset, men, women, employed versus not. The pattern is consistent. Rate-of-change moderation appears occasionally, then another leg higher. The February 2021 inflection remains the defining feature. A 3-to-4 sigma shift in trend is not something serious analysts discard. It is the kind of signal that, in any other domain…markets, epidemiology, engineering…would trigger immediate forensic review.

Health authorities have chosen another path. The data continues to accumulate. The total population survey keeps printing higher numbers. The questions asked of households have not changed. The methodology is the same one used for the official employment statistics that move markets every month. Yet the disability series is treated as an inconvenience rather than a red flag.

The conclusion from the data is straightforward. The timing, the magnitude, the concentration among the previously healthy working age population, and the failure of alternative explanations all point to the COVID vaccine campaign as one of the primary driver of the excess disability. That is the assessment I have maintained as the numbers have updated. Ignoring a sustained, multi-sigma break in a core government survey does not make the break disappear. It only guarantees that the consequences continue to compound while institutions look the other way.

The July 2026 print at 37 million is simply the latest confirmation. The trend that began in February 2021 has not been explained by health authorities, has not been investigated with appropriate rigor, and has not been reversed. Until that changes, the data will keep speaking whether anyone in authority cares to listen or not.
 
I'm not going to do the work for you, but there are countless videos and Twitter/X posts calling Ivermectin "Horse Paste" from media and the CDC itself.
Then why were people arrested for being outside, like the gentlemen who was surfing ALL BY HIMSELF, declaring him a social nuisance?
I agree that closing beaches was completely wrong and stupid, I just don't think that means anyone was demonizing sunlight or exercise. They just wanted people not to be out in public at all. It was severe overkill, no doubt about it, and caused people to rebel. And wrong from a science perspective, as leftwing states and cities tries to outdo each other with how restrictive they could be. Something that should have never been politicized was, because of mandates and lockdowns and people choosing "sides" instead of looking at facts.

Ivermectin is a medicine that has veterinary uses and human uses. Yes I agree some people tried to make it seem like it was only for animals. I don't recall the CDC calling it horse paste, I do recall it telling people ivermectin is ineffective against covid and to not use veterinary formulations because they are dangerous to humans.
 
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