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Covid Vaccine

Yes, COVID-19 vaccines can cause cytokine storms in highly rare instances, though this reaction is an exceptionally uncommon adverse effect compared to the severe hyperinflammation frequently triggered by the actual virus.

Underlying Mechanisms
When an extreme inflammatory reaction occurs after vaccination, medical research points to specific components and pathways:
Lipid Nanoparticles (LNPs): The protective fat bubbles used in mRNA vaccines can act as adjuvants, occasionally triggering the overproduction of inflammatory cytokines like IL-6 and IL-1β.
Spike Proteins: The vaccine-induced production of spike proteins can, in rare cases, prompt a cascading release of chemical messengers.
Allergic Cascades: Severe allergic reactions can cause mast cells to release massive amounts of histamine, which further drives up systemic IL-6 levels.
Gene Activation: Post-mortem and case analyses of these rare events have shown an acute upregulation of genes responsible for neutrophil degranulation and cytokine production shortly after administration.

Medical Context and Management
Rare Risk vs. Infection Risk: Public health experts emphasize that SARS-CoV-2 infection carries a significantly higher risk of inducing life-threatening cytokine storms and organ failure than vaccination.
Clinical Presentation: In the ultra-rare scenarios where a vaccine triggers this hyper-inflammatory response, it is often tied to conditions like vaccine-associated myocarditis or Kounis syndrome.
Available Treatment: When identified early, these post-vaccine immune surges are highly treatable using targeted therapies like corticosteroids, colchicine, and anti-IL-6 monoclonal antibodies such as tocilizumab.
Hey look up. it actually says that vaccines can cause Covid 19 and other similar flus and stuff. who knew????
Again, there is nothing in this article that states vaccines cause Covid 19 or flus or anything else. What is states is that both vaccines and illnesses can cause immune system overreactions called cytokine storms, illness being significantly more likely to cause them than vaccines.
 
I agree that closing beaches was completely wrong and stupid, I just don't think that means anyone was demonizing sunlight or exercise. They just wanted people not to be out in public at all. It was severe overkill, no doubt about it, and caused people to rebel. And wrong from a science perspective, as leftwing states and cities tries to outdo each other with how restrictive they could be. Something that should have never been politicized was, because of mandates and lockdowns and people choosing "sides" instead of looking at facts.

Ivermectin is a medicine that has veterinary uses and human uses. Yes I agree some people tried to make it seem like it was only for animals. I don't recall the CDC calling it horse paste, I do recall it telling people ivermectin is ineffective against covid and to not use veterinary formulations because they are dangerous to humans.
And I did misspeak. Allow me to correct. It was the FDA, not the CDC, that made the "You are not a horse nor cow stop using Ivermectin" post on X.
Was not intentional and just looked it up.

Thank you for being grounded and reasonable in this discourse.
MUCH obliged. (saying sincerely, no sarcasm).
 
Agreed. My body, my choice, with informed consent.

This summary study from a few folks at a few Caribbean "medical schools" using reported Covid deaths as the primary outcome. Since we know many, many Covid death numbers were exaggerated, especially early on as hospital funding was tied to Covid experience, how could this be useful? It's clear how it could overstate early Covid deaths, but there was no consideration.

3 days of low dose ivermectin to a group of about 100 Brazilians. That does not seem large.

From 2017 debating about one of the safest drugs ever developed that won a Nobel Prize. Great logic.
I'm not going to google and post every study. I picked the first few I found. They are numerous.

I mean, you can believe that you know the science better than the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecologists but I'll stick with their recommendations.

I know, I know, they're all in on it too. They want that $75 from Pfizer more than they want the fees for providing prenatal care and delivering live babies.
 
Again, there is nothing in this article that states vaccines cause Covid 19 or flus or anything else. What is states is that both vaccines and illnesses can cause immune system overreactions called cytokine storms, illness being significantly more likely to cause them than vaccines.
Unless the reporting on the Covid shots was unreliable, and many of the issues caused by the shots under-reported as Tim's article above shows.

Medical folks do not want to show medicines as bad, but these ones were. You do not have to believe this, but many do, and many more do each day because those responsible for public health and safety lied repeatedly, those providing products (shots) and services (tests, reports) lied and some stole things and some committed pFraud.
And people suffered.
And kids suffered.
And people died.
And kids died.

That will never be okay, and those who demonstrably falsified/lied/stole to profit need to be held accountable, not hidden and protected by apologists who were pFucking lazy when they they were needed to be competent in their service to and for the people.
 
Unless the reporting on the Covid shots was unreliable, and many of the issues caused by the shots under-reported as Tim's article above shows.

Medical folks do not want to show medicines as bad, but these ones were. You do not have to believe this, but many do, and many more do each day because those responsible for public health and safety lied repeatedly, those providing products (shots) and services (tests, reports) lied and some stole things and some committed pFraud.
And people suffered.
And kids suffered.
And people died.
And kids died.

That will never be okay, and those who demonstrably falsified/lied/stole to profit need to be held accountable, not hidden and protected by apologists who were pFucking lazy when they they were needed to be competent in their service to and for the people.
There's just not any evidence that many people died from the vaccines.

The fact that self-reported disabilities are up in this time period is not evidence it was caused by the vaccines. There are numerous factors that could cause this. An aging population, the fact that many developmental disabilities went undiagnosed in years past, the fact that mental illness spiked during the lockdowns, the fact that some people have been made seriously ill and disabled by covid itself.

Show me the studies that show disabilities and deaths are more prevalent in vaccinated people than in unvaccinated people. You can't because they don't exist.
 
Any vaccine can cause a cytokine storm. It is a rare immune system overreaction. From that perspective yes it’s possible for a vaccine to indirectly induce a miscarriage. But it’s rare. And again, pregnant women were a high risk group from covid itself, like all medical interventions it’s risk vs. benefit.
Where is the actual data that this is the most harmful vaccine in the history of vaccines? I haven’t found it, and I have looked.
Well, certainly the least effective. As far as the most harmful, I suppose I could look up links that fit my narrative just like everyone else does here, but I have no motivation to do so. Guess it comes down to all the coincidences of young, strong athletes collapsing and yes, reports of miscarriage as well as other odd fluke events.

I can't think of a product that was less harmful off the top of my head, that was allowed to remain on the market, can you?
 
Zona will tell you they’ve all been corrupted by big pharma.


I try not to respond to your ignorance, but if you call me out I will.

Read slowly, I believe in vaccines given when appropriate, as they are beneficial in preventing contraction and spread of a multitude of viruses that are now contained.
Never have I spoken negatively about any vaccine with the exception of this mRNA engineered product.

So, inconclusion, stop being an A-S-S and commenting on things that you clearly know nothing about.
 
Well, certainly the least effective. As far as the most harmful, I suppose I could look up links that fit my narrative just like everyone else does here, but I have no motivation to do so. Guess it comes down to all the coincidences of young, strong athletes collapsing and yes, reports of miscarriage as well as other odd fluke events.

I can't think of a product that was less harmful off the top of my head, that was allowed to remain on the market, can you?
Strong young athletes dying sadly happens. People have undiagnosed heart issues, get heat exhaustion, etc. etc. There's no evidence that strong young athletes who were vaccinated died at higher rates than those who weren't. Scary looking anti-vaxxer videos (some of which were frauds and totally misrepresented, i.e. people who collapsed long before there was even such thing as a covid vaccine, people who weren't actually vaccinated, people who passed out from whatever reason but were fine 10 minutes later) notwithstanding, we have to look at data and evidence.

Every medical intervention has harmful side effects in some people. I mean, as a matter of fact almost every food has harmful side effects in some people.

I experienced complete vestibular loss from an antibiotic. I would have died from sepsis without it. This is a known side effect in a small percentage of people, but the benefits outweigh the risks. It's still on the market and likely will be until a better alternative is found.

I would agree with you that for most young healthy people the benefits of the covid vaccine were minimal. The risks were minimal too. For higher risk people the risk of not being vaccinated was likely much higher than the risk of being vaccinated. Maybe not now, when almost all of us have acquired some immunity, but at the time, yes.
 
Strong young athletes dying sadly happens. People have undiagnosed heart issues, get heat exhaustion, etc. etc. There's no evidence that strong young athletes who were vaccinated died at higher rates than those who weren't. Scary looking anti-vaxxer videos (some of which were frauds and totally misrepresented, i.e. people who collapsed long before there was even such thing as a covid vaccine, people who weren't actually vaccinated, people who passed out from whatever reason but were fine 10 minutes later) notwithstanding, we have to look at data and evidence.

Every medical intervention has harmful side effects in some people. I mean, as a matter of fact almost every food has harmful side effects in some people.

I experienced complete vestibular loss from an antibiotic. I would have died from sepsis without it. This is a known side effect in a small percentage of people, but the benefits outweigh the risks. It's still on the market and likely will be until a better alternative is found.

I would agree with you that for most young healthy people the benefits of the covid vaccine were minimal. The risks were minimal too. For higher risk people the risk of not being vaccinated was likely much higher than the risk of being vaccinated. Maybe not now, when almost all of us have acquired some immunity, but at the time, yes.
Again, I'm too lazy to look it up so I'll go along with your take that it's all just a coincidence, but I seem to recall these events happening quite often.
I get responding to claims that may be over the top, 82% miscarriage for example, but you're coming across to me at least, as someone supporting this product that didn't prevent contraction or spread of this virus. We were simply sold a bill of goods on this particular product which is the title of this thread.
 
Zona will tell you they’ve all been corrupted by big pharma.


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The duck has been hospitalized at the local veterinary clinic due to extreme exhaustion from all his dancing.
Daffy is now home and resting. The doctor advises he does not dance for a few days and suggested that people should stop expecting anything to happen to high level criminals. He did want me to pass on a message to all those hoping for equal justice.



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Daffy is now home and resting. The doctor advises he does not dance for a few days and suggested that people should stop expecting anything to happen to high level criminals. He did want me to pass on a message to all those hoping for equal justice.



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Doctor's name and phone number, or I suspect this may not be real.
 
How does one explain this?



US Disabilities Hit an All-Time High of 37 Million In July: UP 23% Since Feb 2021

The Signal No One Wants to See

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The latest Bureau of Labor Statistics data is out, and the number of Americans ages 16 and over reporting a disability has hit a new all-time high of roughly 37 million. As of July 2026, the Current Population Survey series sits at 37,029,000. That’s not a rounding error or a seasonal blip. It’s the continuation of a trend that broke higher more than five years ago and has refused to mean-revert.

I’ve been tracking this series since early in the COVID era. The charts have been public for years on the Phinance Technologies site and in repeated threads on X. Month after month the total population with a disability grinds higher. From the pre-2020 plateau into early 2021 the numbers were relatively stable. Then something changed.

February 2021 marks the clear inflection. The rate of increase shifted to a new, steeper trajectory, a 3-to-4 sigma departure from the prior trend. In the years since, the survey has added seven million people. Growth of that magnitude in a mature population is not normal aging, not “long COVID” in isolation, and not some gradual sociological shift. It was sudden. It has persisted. And it continues to be treated as background noise by the same public health authorities who spent years obsessed with every other metric.

Let me address the predictable objections, because they surface every time these numbers are posted. First: “It’s just fraud. People are gaming disability benefits.” That claim collapses under basic scrutiny of the data source. This is not Social Security Disability Insurance claims. It is not SSDI awards, which lag, require medical determinations, and are subject to administrative backlogs and incentive effects. This is the Current Population Survey, the same monthly household survey that produces the unemployment rate and labor-force participation numbers. Roughly 60,000 households are contacted each month. Six simple questions are asked about serious difficulty hearing, seeing, concentrating/remembering/making decisions, walking or climbing stairs, dressing or bathing, and doing errands alone. Any “yes” classifies the person as having a disability for statistical purposes.

I laid this out in detail years ago in threads that are still easy to find. The series is real-time, not claims-driven, and has nothing to do with benefit eligibility. The questions have been consistent since 2008. Response patterns do not suddenly invent millions of new disabled respondents because the political winds shifted. When the same survey that markets, banks, and the Federal Reserve rely upon for labor-market signals produces a multi-year, multi-sigma break in disability prevalence, the responsible reaction is investigation, not dismissal.

Second: “It’s illegal aliens flooding the numbers.” This one is equally weak. Undocumented immigrants have long been known to under-respond or avoid government surveys altogether out of fear of detection, deportation risk, or general distrust of authorities. They are not lining up to answer detailed questions about household members’ health limitations over the phone or in person. If anything, the survey systematically undercounts this population relative to reality. The sharp, sustained rise in reported disability began in February 2021, well before the largest recent surges in border encounters, and has continued in a manner inconsistent with simple demographic inflows. The data do not support the claim that the disability spike is an artifact of illegal immigration.

Public health agencies and the media have largely ignored the signal. There has been no serious, transparent inquiry into why the disability rate changed slope so sharply in early 2021 and has remained elevated. Temporary explanations such as COVID itself, lockdowns, mental-health effects of isolation all fail the timing and magnitude tests. The virus was already circulating in 2020 without producing this sustained break. The sharpest acceleration aligned with the mass rollout and subsequent workplace mandates. Correlation is not causation; we are constantly reminded. Fair enough, but when a novel medical intervention is administered to hundreds of millions of working-age adults on an accelerated timeline, and the independent, high-frequency survey of population health then records a multi-sigma regime change precisely then, the burden of proof shifts. Authorities who spent years demanding every other correlation be investigated suddenly lose interest.

The economic implications are not abstract. More than 37 million people reporting disability means a permanently larger share of the population facing barriers to full participation. Labor-force participation among the disabled remains far lower than among those without disability. Employers face higher absence rates and higher costs. Insurance pools absorb elevated claims. The fiscal pressure on entitlement programs grows even if this particular survey is not the claims pipeline. All of it is occurring against a backdrop of demographic aging that was already expected to raise disability prevalence gradually but not at the abrupt rate observed since early 2021.

I have posted the charts for years: total population 16+, the civilian labor force subset, men, women, employed versus not. The pattern is consistent. Rate-of-change moderation appears occasionally, then another leg higher. The February 2021 inflection remains the defining feature. A 3-to-4 sigma shift in trend is not something serious analysts discard. It is the kind of signal that, in any other domain…markets, epidemiology, engineering…would trigger immediate forensic review.

Health authorities have chosen another path. The data continues to accumulate. The total population survey keeps printing higher numbers. The questions asked of households have not changed. The methodology is the same one used for the official employment statistics that move markets every month. Yet the disability series is treated as an inconvenience rather than a red flag.

The conclusion from the data is straightforward. The timing, the magnitude, the concentration among the previously healthy working age population, and the failure of alternative explanations all point to the COVID vaccine campaign as one of the primary driver of the excess disability. That is the assessment I have maintained as the numbers have updated. Ignoring a sustained, multi-sigma break in a core government survey does not make the break disappear. It only guarantees that the consequences continue to compound while institutions look the other way.

The July 2026 print at 37 million is simply the latest confirmation. The trend that began in February 2021 has not been explained by health authorities, has not been investigated with appropriate rigor, and has not been reversed. Until that changes, the data will keep speaking whether anyone in authority cares to listen or not.

 
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I thought you were of the opinion that the vaccine was good for those in high risk categories, now you say the data was flawed.
 
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