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Deflategate Investigation: Complete ... Awaiting Report.

Wingman said:
Actually it did not matter at that point because the marker was already positioned. The steelers would have lined up behind the original placement.
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Say it's third and 2 feet. You (the center) move the ball up a half a foot before getting in position. You've basically stolen a quarter of the needed distance before the play even starts. Under circumstances like that, the move is not only "smart", it matters. It's not the same as deflating footballs, but under the right circumstances you could say the move gave the Steelers a competitive advantage. Again, iirc the announcers used to refer to the practice (used by many centers) as a "veteran" maneuver. lol
 
Kraft should take his team and move to L.A.!

That'll show the league!

BWAhahahahaha


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Does anyone here think that rubbing a bit of dirt on a brand new shiny football to make it easier to grip is the same as sticking a needle in it to deflate it?
 
Bellicheck, the "smartest coach in the league ", didn't know what was going on. Yeah, right.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
 
This may have been posted before but hell here it is and maybe again.



NEW YORK — The lawyer who investigated the New England Patriots insisted Tuesday that he found direct, not just circumstantial, evidence to show quarterback Tom Brady knew team employees were deflating footballs.

Miffed by criticism from Brady's agent, Ted Wells decided to take the unusual step of holding a conference call with reporters, a day after the NFL suspended the Super Bowl MVP for the season's first four games based on the report.

Wells said his findings would have been strong enough to convince a jury under the “preponderance of evidence” standard, which is used in many civil cases.

Wells released his report last Wednesday, asserting it was “more probable than not” that Brady “was at least generally aware” of plans by two team employees to prepare the balls to his liking, below the league-mandated minimum of 12.5 pounds per square inch.

His voice frequently rising Tuesday, Wells testily rebutted assertions from Don Yee, Brady's agent, questioning Wells' independence because his firm does other business with the NFL.

“What drove the decision in this report is one thing: It was the evidence,” Wells said. “I could not ethically ignore the import and relevancy of those text messages and the other evidence.”

Wells specifically mentioned two series of text exchanges between officials locker room attendant Jim McNally and equipment assistant John Jastremski. In one, McNally referred to himself as “the Deflator” and joked about going to ESPN. In another, Jastremski mentioned speaking to Brady the previous night, saying the quarterback knew McNally was stressed out by needing to deflate the balls.

“That is not circumstantial evidence,” Wells said. “That is two of the participants in a scheme discussing what has taken place.”

On Thursday, Yee had called Wells' report “a significant and terrible disappointment,” suggesting that it “reached a conclusion first, and then determined so-called facts later.”

Along with denying any bias, Wells derided the idea that the NFL wanted the investigation to implicate a quarterback he described as “one of the most popular, iconic players in the league.”

“That does not make sense,” Wells said. “It's a ridiculous allegation.”

Wells has conducted several high-profile sports investigations in recent years, including the NFL report on the Miami Dolphins bullying scandal.

Wells said the Patriots were cooperative, with two major exceptions: declining a request for a second interview with McNally, and Brady's refusal to turn over phone records.
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SteelBuckeye said:
Say it's third and 2 feet. You (the center) move the ball up a half a foot before getting in position. You've basically stolen a quarter of the needed distance before the play even starts. Under circumstances like that, the move is not only "smart", it matters. It's not the same as deflating footballs, but under the right circumstances you could say the move gave the Steelers a competitive advantage. Again, iirc the announcers used to refer to the practice (used by many centers) as a "veteran" maneuver. lol
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While I have heard announcers mention this, I still don't think it matters. The ball is positioned prior to that and the officials have it marked. So if the team is at the 40 yard line and needs the 42 to gain a first down, even if the center has stretch Armstrong-like arms and stretches it a full yard or more, the officials are still going to have the ball marked at the 40 and the team is still going to need to get the 2 full yards for the first. I mean the center moving the football up a couple of inches doesn't do much for the running back when he's lined up 4-5 yards deep.
 
chipped ham said:
While I have heard announcers mention this, I still don't think it matters. The ball is positioned prior to that and the officials have it marked. So if the team is at the 40 yard line and needs the 42 to gain a first down, even if the center has stretch Armstrong-like arms and stretches it a full yard or more, the officials are still going to have the ball marked at the 40 and the team is still going to need to get the 2 full yards for the first. I mean the center moving the football up a couple of inches doesn't do much for the running back when he's lined up 4-5 yards deep.
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The center and the offensive linemen are already positioned and in their stance before the movement happens as well.
 
Wingman said:
The center and the offensive linemen are already positioned and in their stance before the movement happens as well.
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Exactly. I've heard this discussed by announcers before and never quite understood how they see it the way they do. I don't see how it's beneficial for the offense. It strikes me as the same thing as a wide receiver extending his arm as far as it can go AFTER he's been tackled. The refs don't place the football there and the offense doesn't get the ball placed there.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Say it's third and 2 feet. You (the center) move the ball up a half a foot before getting in position. You've basically stolen a quarter of the needed distance before the play even starts. Under circumstances like that, the move is not only "smart", it matters. It's not the same as deflating footballs, but under the right circumstances you could say the move gave the Steelers a competitive advantage. Again, iirc the announcers used to refer to the practice (used by many centers) as a "veteran" maneuver. lol
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The only way that might make a difference is on a QB sneak. Can't see where it would matter to a RB getting the ball in the back field.
 
BREAKING NEWS: Patriots sign undrafted QB Dom Grady out of W. Michigan to play QB in weeks 1-4 while Tom Brady sits.

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There was more evidence in the Wells report against Brady than there was vs Shoeless Joe back in the day, who was legally acquitted, yet to this day cant be voted into the HOF because baseball choose to ban them all regardless of innocence for the image of the game....
 
I've been listening to sports talk radio from Boston the past couple of days. Those people, radio personalities included, are going absolutely bonkers. They cannot believe that this is happening to their team. They are positively delusional, denying any kind of foul play.

Their misery is gorgeous.
 
hamster said:
I've been listening to sports talk radio from Boston the past couple of days. Those people, radio personalities included, are going absolutely bonkers. They cannot believe that this is happening to their team. They are positively delusional, denying any kind of foul play.

Their misery is gorgeous.
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They cannot understand how much that team is known for bending and breaking the rules... you hear so many players and coaches harping about it right now... the league has given them more passes than it should have and the fanbase cannot understand that this is about a lot more than just deflating balls... its systematic cheating, entitled arrogance, and contempt for authority that has played out multiple times... Im telling you , if brady pushes this, there will end up being an "A few good men" moment when he snaps...
 
Steel G said:
The only way that might make a difference is on a QB sneak. Can't see where it would matter to a RB getting the ball in the back field.
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If it's third and 2 feet and you don't at least think about a QB sneak, then there's something wrong with you. So, yeah, it would make a difference in that situation. Look, I'm not saying it was cheating per se. Just a good old "veteran" move that provided an advantage in certain game situations.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Say it's third and 2 feet. You (the center) move the ball up a half a foot before getting in position. You've basically stolen a quarter of the needed distance before the play even starts. Under circumstances like that, the move is not only "smart", it matters. It's not the same as deflating footballs, but under the right circumstances you could say the move gave the Steelers a competitive advantage. Again, iirc the announcers used to refer to the practice (used by many centers) as a "veteran" maneuver. lol
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Technically, this is snapping the football and should result in an offsides penalty, or a defensive lineman should be allowed to jump on the ball forcing and recovering a fumble.
 
hamster said:
I've been listening to sports talk radio from Boston the past couple of days. Those people, radio personalities included, are going absolutely bonkers. They cannot believe that this is happening to their team. They are positively delusional, denying any kind of foul play.

Their misery is gorgeous.
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So are their new Super Bowl rings.....View attachment 1491
 
Troglodyte said:
Technically, this is snapping the football and should result in an offsides penalty, or a defensive lineman should be allowed to jump on the ball forcing and recovering a fumble.
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Untechnically, he did it and got away with it.
 
The majority of people supporting Brady are direct new england Fans and ultra casual fans who are looking at this simply as "he deflated balls and got a bigger suspension than Ray Rice"
 
I've said it before, tommy boy appealing, may just open the can of provibial worms. Bet the organization is weighing in to tommy boy and leagal team on how they approach the appeal. I just hope it opens up the headgates, all the way back to spygate / hoodie starting their. Lots of talking heads / fan think tommy ois the greatest, how do we know, with the cheating. He is the greatest cheater to ever play the game, i'll give him that. But how do we judge his actual play ability>??? you can't.



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I don't give 2 ***** and popsicle what happens to other teams - this has all been pure entertainment gold to me
 
Spike said:
I don't give 2 ***** and popsicle what happens to other teams - this has all been pure entertainment gold to me
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Oh yes, that is the underlying truth. A battle to the death between Roger vs TFB and the Cheatriots would just be a total win win regardless of the result....
 
I still do not believe the investigation went far enough. At this point direct evidence may not be available but witnesses could be compelled to talk particularly the ball boy and equipment guy. The other 31 teams could file a law suit against the team for doing damage to them and loss of income resulting from their actions. A good lawyer could get direct testimony from these guys to go back the entire time they were doing it as well as additional things they would do to affect the out comes of games such as electronic use bugging locker rooms etc.
 
Wingman said:
I still do not believe the investigation went far enough. At this point direct evidence may not be available but witnesses could be compelled to talk particularly the ball boy and equipment guy. The other 31 teams could file a law suit against the team for doing damage to them and loss of income resulting from their actions. A good lawyer could get direct testimony from these guys to go back the entire time they were doing it as well as additional things they would do to affect the out comes of games such as electronic use bugging locker rooms etc.
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exactly.

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