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Deflategate Investigation: Complete ... Awaiting Report.

apparently Tom Terrrrrrrrrrrrrific's appeals team of high priced attorneys believes his appeal will knock the suspension down to zero games, per the ESPN ticker.

http://nesn.com/2015/05/reports-tom...lawyer-jeffrey-kessler-in-deflategate-appeal/

That would be serious egg on the face of Goodell and Vincent.

I could never wish serious injury on someone, but wouldn't it be karma if Brady won the appeal and then suffered a season ending injury in a game for which he would have otherwise been suspended?
 
That would be serious egg on the face of Goodell and Vincent.

I could never wish serious injury on someone, but wouldn't it be karma if Brady won the appeal and then suffered a season ending injury in a game for which he would have otherwise been suspended?

This is now my secret wish... that he gets goodell fired, gets knocked out for the season again, and the two fired guys rat the whole team out and they are disbanded as a result
 
This is the SECOND time they've bee caught.............I say, if theres a 3rd, you ban the head coach for life. If theres a 4th, force Kraft to sell. This culture of cheating is rampant in Foxboro.
 
I hope Tom sues, then McNally and the other dude get to testify in court about all the shady **** the Pats do. Tommy cell would then be subpoenaed and all his call logs and texts will be revealed.
 
That would never happen. Br*dy's lawyer would be fully aware of any incriminating evidence on his phone and would move to avoid any disclosure. Obviously his first goal would be to avoid putting Br*dy in a worse position. Tantamount to that is hiding his cell phone logs as they would undoubtedly incriminate his client.

No, the lawyer is in a sticky spot as he's got to maneuver the league into reducing the penalty without cause. Everyone on the frickin' PLANET knows that Br*dy is guilty. Fighting it is merely T*m's pathetic attempt at character damage-control. He's hoping to change public perception somewhat. Nothing more.
 
I sort of have a problem with the NFL as much with the Patriots with much of these so-called "cheating" events.

While I certainly agree the Patriots pushed and bent the rules to their liking more-so than many other teams, there was also a clear lack of enforcement of the rules by the NFL and it's referees for DECADES.

It's easy to jump up and down and yell "Cheaters!" now but I sort of feel Brady (and likely many other quarterbacks) were tampering with the football long before any of this became a story. To what degree and extent each quarterback in the league tampered with the footballs, I have no clue. I'm sure there was a wide spectrum.

But the lack of enforcement and lack of interest on many, many issues (including the video tape issues, communication issues, etc.) by the NFL league office and the game day referees and the lack of consistent discipline (many things got slap on the wrists for years), doesn't feel fair to me that now the league decides to change course and consider minor infractions (asI consider spygate and deflategate and artificial noise and texts to the sideline and warming up footballs) to be very serious infractions.

In many ways, this whole situation feels like when the league all of sudden decided to ramp up it's penalties for illegal hits. We (i.e. Steeler Nation) complained strongly about the sudden increase in fines/suspensions for many Steelers players that got caught in that first year for illegal hits. I think if I was a Patriot fan, while I would agree to the fact of breaking the rules (just like I agreed that Harrison DID illegally hit some players that year), I might disagree with the sudden, drastic increase in the penalty as compared to similar ball tampering events in the past.

Again, the league is deciding fates based on the which way the public wind is blowing. That's their right. Just not sure I agree with it (now or when it happened to Harrison or when it happened to Roethlisberger).

I know they are different events, but the punishments all seem similarly dictated more by public opinion than by fair, historic comparisons.


Name one other team that you know did this. It is not so called cheating it is cheating. Until someone has proof that any of the other 32 teams were doing it they did not do it as much as you or others wish to use the everybody is doing it excuse. My children out grew that one in grade school. Deljzc the only reason I am asking you this is unlike the majority of brady* sympathizers you actually have knowledge of the game and provide worth while points on many issues when posting on the site. So is this something you have proof of or just want to believe?
 
Name one other team that you know did this. It is not so called cheating it is cheating. Until someone has proof that any of the other 32 teams were doing it they did not do it as much as you or others wish to use the everybody is doing it excuse. My children out grew that one in grade school. Deljzc the only reason I am asking you this is unlike the majority of brady* sympathizers you actually have knowledge of the game and provide worth while points on many issues when posting on the site. So is this something you have proof of or just want to believe?

Look. I'm barking up a dead tree on this issue. The pitchforks have been out in Steeler Nation for Belichick, Brady and the Patriots since spygate. The whole deflategate was like throwing gasoline on a fire around here. It's explosive.

I don't consider "cheating" in sports as this clear black/white issue. I think bending the rules is rampant in every sport, in every locker room. I don't believe in the least that there are so-called "ethical" teams and "unethical" teams. I think there are too many coaches, GM's, players moving from locker room to locker room that bending the rules only exists in some organizations.

Do I have proof? Of course not. I have inklings. Like when Neil O'Donnell (and others) have complained about the slickness of the Super Bowl footballs vs. what they are used to. I'm not 100% sure, but I bet 99% sure that Neil O'Donnell did as much as he could to roughen up footballs to his liking when he played here. I am INFERRING that opinion.

I strongly believe that "it was just done" by quarterbacks to kind of work in footballs to their liking as close to and often past the legal guidelines. I also think that the NFL's lack of enforcing these rules strongly led to more and more quarterbacks around the league to "push the envelope" on what was allowed and what wasn't.

Even the new rules and pushed through by Brady/Manning and a majority of quarterbacks in the league in 2006/2007 (whenever that was) tells me the league kind of agreed with the basic premise that quarterbacks should get GREATER leeway to doctor balls to their liking.

Having said all that, I agree with the penalty. I agree that doctoring the balls AFTER inspection by the referees is wrong. Now I'm not 100% sure this was some directive or mastermind plan by Belichick and Brady to improve performance and reduce fumbles like some here suggest. I just don't believe that.

I think it is much more likely that McNally/Jowinski knew Brady liked soft, underinflated balls. I think Brady chastised them in the past when the balls were over-inflated (and he might have been an ******* about it based on the text messages). I mean, I doubt (and put yourself in Brady's position) that he came right out and said "let the air out of the balls during the game". I think he much more likely said "Don't tell me how you do it, just get the balls how I like it and I'll do you a couple favors.". I mean, Brady never went about with a PSI gauge or said "I want the balls 12.0 psi". He is going completely by feel of what he likes.

For all we know, using needles, being called the "deflator" and how much stuff he got in return was all stuff discussed only between McNally and Jagowski. Brady might not have know (and why would he WANT to know?) any of the HOWS that went into this.

The fact McNally kind of went from that into blackmailing his superior into getting more and more free stuff is very, very surprising to me and very unprofessional.

I just don't believe in the level of conspiracy some here think. That's just me. I also don't know if I believe (without much more further statistical study/proof) that the inflation level of the balls is the sole basis of the Patriots' lack of fumbles. That's a scientific conclusion I'm not willing to make.

I think the punishment is much more for lying during the investigation than the "cheating" of letting air out of the balls or the advantage that gave the Patriots during games. I think the punishment is much for because of the possibility the ball boys were letting air out of balls often to make Brady happy than Brady's actual planning and implementing a method of cheating.

That's just my opinion.
 
I hope Tom sues, then McNally and the other dude get to testify in court about all the shady **** the Pats do. Tommy cell would then be subpoenaed and all his call logs and texts will be revealed.

This is all I'm waiting for. T*m shouldn't open this can of worms...
 
Look. I'm barking up a dead tree on this issue. The pitchforks have been out in Steeler Nation for Belichick, Brady and the Patriots since spygate. The whole deflategate was like throwing gasoline on a fire around here. It's explosive.

I don't consider "cheating" in sports as this clear black/white issue. I think bending the rules is rampant in every sport, in every locker room. I don't believe in the least that there are so-called "ethical" teams and "unethical" teams. I think there are too many coaches, GM's, players moving from locker room to locker room that bending the rules only exists in some organizations.

Do I have proof? Of course not. I have inklings. Like when Neil O'Donnell (and others) have complained about the slickness of the Super Bowl footballs vs. what they are used to. I'm not 100% sure, but I bet 99% sure that Neil O'Donnell did as much as he could to roughen up footballs to his liking when he played here. I am INFERRING that opinion.

I strongly believe that "it was just done" by quarterbacks to kind of work in footballs to their liking as close to and often past the legal guidelines. I also think that the NFL's lack of enforcing these rules strongly led to more and more quarterbacks around the league to "push the envelope" on what was allowed and what wasn't.

Even the new rules and pushed through by Brady/Manning and a majority of quarterbacks in the league in 2006/2007 (whenever that was) tells me the league kind of agreed with the basic premise that quarterbacks should get GREATER leeway to doctor balls to their liking.

Having said all that, I agree with the penalty. I agree that doctoring the balls AFTER inspection by the referees is wrong. Now I'm not 100% sure this was some directive or mastermind plan by Belichick and Brady to improve performance and reduce fumbles like some here suggest. I just don't believe that.

I think it is much more likely that McNally/Jowinski knew Brady liked soft, underinflated balls. I think Brady chastised them in the past when the balls were over-inflated (and he might have been an ******* about it based on the text messages). I mean, I doubt (and put yourself in Brady's position) that he came right out and said "let the air out of the balls during the game". I think he much more likely said "Don't tell me how you do it, just get the balls how I like it and I'll do you a couple favors.". I mean, Brady never went about with a PSI gauge or said "I want the balls 12.0 psi". He is going completely by feel of what he likes.

For all we know, using needles, being called the "deflator" and how much stuff he got in return was all stuff discussed only between McNally and Jagowski. Brady might not have know (and why would he WANT to know?) any of the HOWS that went into this.

The fact McNally kind of went from that into blackmailing his superior into getting more and more free stuff is very, very surprising to me and very unprofessional.

I just don't believe in the level of conspiracy some here think. That's just me. I also don't know if I believe (without much more further statistical study/proof) that the inflation level of the balls is the sole basis of the Patriots' lack of fumbles. That's a scientific conclusion I'm not willing to make.

I think the punishment is much more for lying during the investigation than the "cheating" of letting air out of the balls or the advantage that gave the Patriots during games. I think the punishment is much for because of the possibility the ball boys were letting air out of balls often to make Brady happy than Brady's actual planning and implementing a method of cheating.

That's just my opinion.

McNally is knowingly cheating by deflating balls, and you knock him down only because he lacks professionalism by demanding compensation for his transgressions for another's benefit? Really? This is simple quid pro quo.

On the science side, just because you aren't comfortable doesn't make it so. Occam's razor n'at.

Lastly, if everbody cheats, how come only one team gets caught, and is a repeat offender? Don't you think that the admittedly close relationship of Krapft and Goodell really, really matters right here at the margin? Especially because they have more SBs, now under great suspicion, than any other team? This is pretty easy for most folks to line up....
 
McNally is knowingly cheating by deflating balls, and you knock him down only because he lacks professionalism by demanding compensation for his transgressions for another's benefit? Really? This is simple quid pro quo.

On the science side, just because you aren't comfortable doesn't make it so. Occam's razor n'at.

Lastly, if everbody cheats, how come only one team gets caught, and is a repeat offender? Don't you think that the admittedly close relationship of Krapft and Goodell really, really matters right here at the margin? Especially because they have more SBs, now under great suspicion, than any other team? This is pretty easy for most folks to line up....

The Vikings cheated last year to heat up balls on a cold day. That's as clearly illegal in the rule book as letting out some air. They got a $25,000 fine.

Again, I think you guys are concentrating too much on the deflation of the footballs and jumping to a lot of conclusions about it's importance rather than understanding the punishment has a lot more to do with public opinion (which all of you are apart) and their non-cooperation with the investigation.

I don't think coaches, the NFL or NFL players really think this is a game-changing advantage nearly as much as people here do.
 
del, I'm not dumping on you, but read this open-mindedly...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...yan-clark-doesnt-buy-their-deflategate-story/
After watching the Patriots in preseason practices, Ryan Clark doesn’t buy their Deflategate story


The Redskins-Patriots preseason practices offered both teams a briefly more interesting experience, different from the occasional monotony of training camp. Apparently, they also offered a window into whether the Patriots have been truthful in explaining away their deflated footballs.

Redskins safety Ryan Clark — now back in his perch as an ESPN analyst and commentator — brought up those preseason practices on ESPN Radio Monday, when asked to assess the explanations offered by Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.

“I really liked Tom Brady,” Clark said, discussing their meetings in Richmond. “I didn’t like him before, because I was a Steeler. But I talked to him for like 30 minutes [in August], and I was like ‘Man, he is a good dude.’ I even called my wife, I was like ‘Man, Tom is a good cat.’

“But I watched a guy run a route at 14-and-a-half yards and not 15, and get scolded and get reamed and screamed at,” Clark went on. “I watched guys line up in the wrong place and Tom go nuts because [the guy] wasn’t where he was supposed to be. I saw after practice, where everybody ran together, everybody stretched together in a circle – grown men, that Bill Belichick had this much power and this much control over.

“So you mean to tell me those two people — that won’t let you run a route at 14-and-a-half yards if it’s 15, that won’t let you stretch by yourself, that won’t let you condition by yourself after practice — are gonna let a ballboy – not the head equipment guy, a ballboy – stick pins and needles in balls and deflate em? I don’t buy it.”

Which is why you can count Clark among those skeptical about New England.

“I hate to say that they’re cheating, but if it keeps coming up that you may be cheating, eventually one of these things has to stick,” he said.

Later, Clark discussed Belichick’s explanation to the press in more depth.

“Belichick doesn’t care,” Clark said. “He truly does not care what people think of him. He doesn’t care that you may think he answered the questions a certain way. I don’t think he even cares that he’s being considered a cheater. The bottom line with him, he’s going to everything and push the rules in every way in order to win football games and find ways to win them.

“I guess in some way, as a competitor, it’s commendable,” Clark went on. “But as a football player and somebody who’s competing against them, you want a level playing field, in all aspects of it. And it doesn’t seem like they want to do football that way. And for me, if I was Roger Goodell, or if I was part of the NFL, ‘the Shield,’ I would feel like he’s laughing at me. He’s spitting in my face by the way he’s answering these questions.”

But despite Robert Kraft’s protestations, Clark does not believe the NFL is liable to crack down on New England.

“You know, I think the guy that hit on it the best was Richard Sherman,” Clark said. “And I know sometimes people probably tune him out because he says a lot of things. But he wasn’t even really concerned about the balls. When asked would they be punished, he was like ‘Well you know, the commissioner’s taking pictures at Mr. Kraft’s house before the game last week.’ The New England Patriots are posting these things.

“And I’m a member of the [NFLPA’s] executive committee, and I would always talk [about] that, and Roger would be like ‘I work for the players,’ this and that. He’s never at a player’s house. The players don’t have a meeting with Roger Goodell during the year. He’s re-elected and elected by the owners….And so from a player’s standpoint, when you see the Jim Irsays and you see the New England Patriots do these things, it is difficult to deal with. It does frustrate you. Because players are disciplined harshly and immediately most times when they have these things happen.”

Clark’s frustrations extend to the fines levied on Marshawn Lynch for grabbing his private parts, even as the NFL markets photos of such displays.

“It goes back to them selling James Harrison’s hit on Colt McCoy, selling the picture and suspending him for those hits,” Clark said. “I mean, the NFL man, they do what they want to, you know? They do what they want to, and whether it’s hypocritical to us or to anybody else who pays attention, they don’t really care.”
Dan Steinberg writes about all things D.C. sports at the D.C. Sports Bog.
 
I don't think coaches, the NFL or NFL players really think this is a game-changing advantage nearly as much as people here do.


you'd be wrong.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/12213363/tom-brady-tale-hold-weight

ESPN reaction to Brady

Mark Brunell
: "I did not believe what Tom had to say. Those balls were deflated. Somebody had to do it. I don't believe there's an equipment manager in the NFL that would, on his own initiative, deflate a ball without the starting QB's approval ... That football is our livelihood. If you don't feel good about throwing that ball? Your success on the football field can suffer from that."

Jerome Bettis: "I'm so disappointed because I thought this was a perfect opportunity for Tom Brady to go and say 'You know what? I made a mistake. I blew it. It's on me. I'll take the blame here, and this will go away.' He didn't do that ... I'm disappointed in you, Tom Brady."

Brian Dawkins: "This is unbelievable. For you not to know what you touch every play? ... The equipment manager is being thrown under the bus now. Now he's the guy. Now he's the one responsible. He took it upon himself to doctor up the balls when nobody else knew about it? That hard [to believe]."
 
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I think the Steelers should use nerf balls on running plays. I think they should make the nerf balls look as much as possible like real ones so the referees don't realize they're nerf balls but, for sure, use nerfs. That way the RBs are very unlikely to fumble.

There's no rule against that is there? And even if there was, everyone does it, right? I mean hell Delzc. Why do we even bother with the rules. Why NOT get a couple deaf kids on the defensive line? I mean really. Is it against the rules if they hit Br*dy late a few times? THEY can't hear the whistle. It's not like it was INTENTIONAL. You can't PROVE that career ending knee injury was done on purpose. We just put a high-motor kid on the defensive line who happens to have a disability.

But ya. We'll take the 15 yards. Of course. It was a late hit. And no, we won't let you see his text messages or view the details of his contract. And you can interview him, but he's deaf so it would be kind of fruitless. He doesn't actually know sign language. But I can tell you, he feels terribly about the incident and he'd like to send a fruit basket or something to T*m's family.
 
The Vikings cheated last year to heat up balls on a cold day. That's as clearly illegal in the rule book as letting out some air. They got a $25,000 fine.

Again, I think you guys are concentrating too much on the deflation of the footballs and jumping to a lot of conclusions about it's importance rather than understanding the punishment has a lot more to do with public opinion (which all of you are apart) and their non-cooperation with the investigation.

I don't think coaches, the NFL or NFL players really think this is a game-changing advantage nearly as much as people here do.


Then why do it in the first place if the benefit is negligible? Why risk all this for a few pounds of air if it didn't provide some kind of competitive edge? There's a reason it's a rule in the first place...to prevent teams from gaining an unfair advantage. So it most certainly could be a game changing advantage.

The Vikings also weren't repeat cheaters. We all know Goodell plays the repeat offender card pretty harshly.
 
Look. I'm barking up a dead tree on this issue. The pitchforks have been out in Steeler Nation for Belichick, Brady and the Patriots since spygate. The whole deflategate was like throwing gasoline on a fire around here. It's explosive.

I don't consider "cheating" in sports as this clear black/white issue. I think bending the rules is rampant in every sport, in every locker room. I don't believe in the least that there are so-called "ethical" teams and "unethical" teams. I think there are too many coaches, GM's, players moving from locker room to locker room that bending the rules only exists in some organizations.

Do I have proof? Of course not. I have inklings. Like when Neil O'Donnell (and others) have complained about the slickness of the Super Bowl footballs vs. what they are used to. I'm not 100% sure, but I bet 99% sure that Neil O'Donnell did as much as he could to roughen up footballs to his liking when he played here. I am INFERRING that opinion.

I strongly believe that "it was just done" by quarterbacks to kind of work in footballs to their liking as close to and often past the legal guidelines. I also think that the NFL's lack of enforcing these rules strongly led to more and more quarterbacks around the league to "push the envelope" on what was allowed and what wasn't.

Even the new rules and pushed through by Brady/Manning and a majority of quarterbacks in the league in 2006/2007 (whenever that was) tells me the league kind of agreed with the basic premise that quarterbacks should get GREATER leeway to doctor balls to their liking.

Having said all that, I agree with the penalty. I agree that doctoring the balls AFTER inspection by the referees is wrong. Now I'm not 100% sure this was some directive or mastermind plan by Belichick and Brady to improve performance and reduce fumbles like some here suggest. I just don't believe that.

I think it is much more likely that McNally/Jowinski knew Brady liked soft, underinflated balls. I think Brady chastised them in the past when the balls were over-inflated (and he might have been an ******* about it based on the text messages). I mean, I doubt (and put yourself in Brady's position) that he came right out and said "let the air out of the balls during the game". I think he much more likely said "Don't tell me how you do it, just get the balls how I like it and I'll do you a couple favors.". I mean, Brady never went about with a PSI gauge or said "I want the balls 12.0 psi". He is going completely by feel of what he likes.

For all we know, using needles, being called the "deflator" and how much stuff he got in return was all stuff discussed only between McNally and Jagowski. Brady might not have know (and why would he WANT to know?) any of the HOWS that went into this.

The fact McNally kind of went from that into blackmailing his superior into getting more and more free stuff is very, very surprising to me and very unprofessional.

I just don't believe in the level of conspiracy some here think. That's just me. I also don't know if I believe (without much more further statistical study/proof) that the inflation level of the balls is the sole basis of the Patriots' lack of fumbles. That's a scientific conclusion I'm not willing to make.

I think the punishment is much more for lying during the investigation than the "cheating" of letting air out of the balls or the advantage that gave the Patriots during games. I think the punishment is much for because of the possibility the ball boys were letting air out of balls often to make Brady happy than Brady's actual planning and implementing a method of cheating.

That's just my opinion.


WTF, Deljzc, Your saying that, If i was in a atmosphere, that gave me life breathing air but I had to hop around on a one foot pogo stick to get it, the harder I hopped the more bank air i'd get. You bet your *** I'm hopping above the line. Another anology. I'm a money guy, need money. BRADY*** indicates a certain way he likes the balls. The more closer I get them to that level, the more $$$$ i'm able to bank....
.............Doesn't matter what the heck tommy boy knows or doesn't know, about the process. He knows regulation inflation and not regulation inflation. RIGHT FROM WRONG Kapish?????
.............TOMMY is directly responsible, outright or not, he is responsible. PAY for end product, knows what end product will be, does tommy think it's just majic??? Do you think it is just majic?????? Does anyone here think it's just majic??????
..............You have a great many knowlegable and awesomly good post(s). I fully appreciate that and the work you put into them. THIS one, I can't find the reasoning to support the tommy pass. He is as guilty as his ******** coach and owner, ignorance is bliss. Conveinent when working in your favore. If they don't need a deflated football to help win, why go through this much effort to acheive a football to tommy boy's liking???? The fact is, tommy boy got caught cheating, live with it tommy flame, live with it tommy flame.



Salute the nation
 
I think the big difference between our two view points is this I don't consider "cheating" in sports as this clear black/white issue. . You see I see it as black and white clear cut issue. If the ball is under 12.5 pounds per square inch and it was done by your actions or by an agent of yours acting on your behalf that is cheating. It is not bending them it is very simply cheating. As to doctoring the footballs by neil o dummel I do not know what was allowed at that time, to put it in perspective that is prior to Bettis being on the team a player who has been retired for some time. I know at one time a lot of different break in procedures were allowed by the league. There were even rumors that the raiders filled their footballs with helium back in the day. So trying to go back farther than the present rule is irrelevant, and has as much bearing on the discussion as how bowling balls should be weighted.

I am also not ready to take it as scientific fact that the cheatriots have been cheating since the rule was changed to allow the teams to supply their own footballs. However it sure seems odd that the team that gets caught cheating the most has found a way to fumble much less often than every other team in the game and this coincides with them being able to provide their own footballs.

They say if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck...... right now it is quacking real loud. Somethings you have to take on faith. Like why a coach that could not do much when in Cleveland goes to a team in new england and becomes super coach, never mind that the team that moved from cleveland went on to win a world championship after super coach left.

The great qb was a back up in college and passed on by every team in the nfl multiple times. So everything that has been accomplished by the team found to be cheating is tainted.
 
I'd say it's really simple...

Get T*m and B*l*ch*ck to turn over their phones for full disclosure of their messages. Get the equipment boys in and grill them. Lift the "lifetime ban" on the morons in return for cooperation. Basically, give the ******* a plea deal. Do it like real detectives and lawyers. Watch the rats abandon the sinking ship.

No, this was a "Sting" alright. It was a sting on the idiot ball-boys. Those ******* morons were too stupid to realize they were being hung out to dry all along.
 
The Vikings cheated last year to heat up balls on a cold day. That's as clearly illegal in the rule book as letting out some air. They got a $25,000 fine.

Again, I think you guys are concentrating too much on the deflation of the footballs and jumping to a lot of conclusions about it's importance rather than understanding the punishment has a lot more to do with public opinion (which all of you are apart) and their non-cooperation with the investigation.

I don't think coaches, the NFL or NFL players really think this is a game-changing advantage nearly as much as people here do.

And it looked like they did it one time in the open and did not realize it. They did not take them into a bathroom and alter them after being approved, the zebras also dry them off in the rain is that cheating by them?
 
no big deal no big deal

I keep hearing this from apologists

no big deal


well let every team that faces the pats tape their signals and deflate the footballs to their liking regulation or not

for one year

and let us see first hand


if it is

no big deal
 
Would it be cheating if we moved the ball forward a yard on every play from scrimmage? It is only a yard. Or how about we supply our own chain and the other team can use the one that is ten yards we will use the one that is eight yards long that's only bending the rules a bit.
 
Having said all that, I agree with the penalty. I agree that doctoring the balls AFTER inspection by the referees is wrong. Now I'm not 100% sure this was some directive or mastermind plan by Belichick and Brady to improve performance and reduce fumbles like some here suggest. I just don't believe that.

I think it is much more likely that McNally/Jowinski knew Brady liked soft, underinflated balls. I think Brady chastised them in the past when the balls were over-inflated (and he might have been an ******* about it based on the text messages). I mean, I doubt (and put yourself in Brady's position) that he came right out and said "let the air out of the balls during the game". I think he much more likely said "Don't tell me how you do it, just get the balls how I like it and I'll do you a couple favors.". I mean, Brady never went about with a PSI gauge or said "I want the balls 12.0 psi". He is going completely by feel of what he likes.

That sure as hell sounds like a directive in my book.

I have a super hard time believing two goofy equipment guys took it all on themselves to develop a plan of how, where and exactly when to get the balls and let the air out of them. And to know how much to let out.

Furthermore, if it was all much ado about nothing and everybody doctors and does things to the balls in some way, then why would the Colts even care in the first place? Why wouldn't Tom just come out and say it's all ridiculous and it means nothing? Why did Belichick have two different press conferences on the matter, one where he threw it all on Tom and then another that tried to explain it away with fuzzy math and science? Why did Tom give one of the weirdest interviews with Costas on SB Sunday where he didn't emphatically proclaim his innocence? Why did Tom not give up his text messages? Why has he said nothing at all about it now? Why did the P*ts shut everything down when Wells wanted to talk to McNally a second time?

I know it all sounds silly and stupid cause it's a just a game and nobody ever gave one thought to a football's PSI before all this. But there must be something to it or else the league wouldn't have wasted the time and money. After the year they had leading up this January, do you honestly think Goodell wanted this on top of all that too if it was just silly nonsense. I don't think so.

Furthermore, I still don't see what's so harsh about the punishment. What they got was nothing. The only thing they got hit with that can't be reversed or undone is some damage in the court of public opinion. And that too will fade with time, if they stay clean, especially once Bill and Tom are gone.
 
Would it be cheating if we moved the ball forward a yard on every play from scrimmage? It is only a yard. Or how about we supply our own chain and the other team can use the one that is ten yards we will use the one that is eight yards long that's only bending the rules a bit.

I believe it may have been Dermontti who used to, under the guise of positioning the football in the manner that made it easiest for him to snap, move the football forward about a half foot before each snap. It wasn't a full yard of course. But in a "game of inches", I'd imagine those extra feet per game probably helped out a whole lot. lol
 
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The chain and chain gang is a PERFECT example Wingman. When WE go to Foxboro, let US supply our own chains and chain officials. The P*ts have to use the regular NFL chains, we'll use our own. No big deal. Funny how right after that rule change the Steelers begin finding themselves ALWAYS just making the 1st downs.
 
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The way I see it, and many NFL players agree is that you would have to have very small hands NOT to immediately realize the difference between a 13.5# ball and an 11# ball. (Bettis and Brunnell were given 3 balls, one at 15#, 13# and 11# and not only knew which ones were which, but Brunnell flatly said the under-inflated ball would allow him better grip and the ability to throw farther and more accurately) Bettis said he saw it as a distinct advantage as a ball carrier as well.
It has been basically unanimous amongst NFL players that under-inflated balls offer a distinct advantage.
It has also been basically unanimous that NO equipment manager/ball-boy would mess with a ball's pressure whatsoever without SPECIFIC DIRECTION from the QB.
The thing that most NFL players agree on is that Bellicheat "probably" didn't know a thing (other than to tell his QB to get his equipment issues worked out ahead of time)


Giving Brady and the Cheats the benefit of the doubt...it is possible that Brady told his equipment guys he likes the balls on the low-side of allowable inflation.
(~except that in 2011, he was recorded on the radio saying he likes "Deflated balls")
Giving Brady and the Cheats the benefit of the doubt...it is possible that Brady told his equipment guys he likes the balls on the low-side of allowable inflation.
(~except that he was recorded in his first press conference following deflategate as saying BOTH "that he likes the balls right at 12.5#, which he feels is perfect" AND - REPORTER: Have you reached out to the equipment staff to see if they did anything to the footballs?

BRADY: Yeah, and they haven't, and I believe them, and they also know how I like the balls, and I tell them how great they are before the game — 'Perfect job, great job'. So, they know how I like it, and that's exactly the way they are. AND that he didn't notice a difference in how the footballs felt. Uh, Tom, if YOU don't notice a difference then why are you recorded as saying how you like them inflated?

Even with this ^, I believe (as with Bettis) that IF Tom had just stated that he likes the balls at 12.5#, and he admits that his equipment handlers know that's how he likes his balls...all of this could GO AWAY using the "ideal gas laws" theory.

No doubt, if his equipment guys inflate the balls to his liking at 12.5#, the balls are "cleared for use" by the rulebook. The under-inflation could then be explained away at half-time when the balls come in lower using the "ideal gas laws". Simple...party's over.

But that's NOT how he and the team handled it. He came out denying knowing anything about footballs and air pressure and equipment personnel.
(except that he is on record of speaking to the "unknown equipment guy" for years and at least 6 times immediately after the story broke) Is Tom the ONLY QB in NFL history to not inspect the balls he's going to use or have conversations about how he likes the balls WHILE he is in the process of admitting to both? (by saying they "know how I like them" and I tell them how "they did a good job")

Belicheat is smart, he not only distances himself from the situation BUT introduces the SCIENCE behind how balls can lose pressure. (would have been perfect IF Tom would have just admitted that he told his equipment guys he likes the balls at the lower end of "legal") Again, this all goes away.

But we know that's not what happened. Tom continues to play dumb. Aikman and a slew of former QBs call him a liar and he continues. (while attempting to coach his witnesses with phone calls and texts, refusing to provide such relevant information as evidence)

NOW the club steps in and wants their say so. Kraft (unlike Bilicheat) is NOT very smart. He comes in and lambastes Goodell, the NFL and the whole proceeding, demanding an apology. (there's your lost draft picks and fine Dingus)

Most, if not all of this drama would have gone away IF Krapt and Tommy would have just listened to Billy. Instead, we have an UNBELIEVABLE story told by the only NFL QB who doesn't ask his help to alter his footballs to make them the way HE likes them. (Why? Because he doesn't know who they are...according to him)

And an owner so painfully stupid and arrogant that his "puppet" will back him up, (not realizing, of course that Wells is running an independent investigation out of Roger's control) going off on a drunken rant...again.

It is what it is fellas. They probably would have gotten off with a light fine (similar to Minnesota's, Cleveland's or Atlanta's) but took this thing into another dimension BECAUSE they couldn't tell the ******* truth if they had to.

So now, they allowed the whole thing to spin into the "public confidence in the sport" and "spirit of the rules" dimension. It's their own fault.

So either they cheated OR they lied about NOT cheating. They deserve what they get in my book.
 
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I believe it may have been Dermontti who used to, under the guise of positioning the football in the manner that made it easiest for him to snap, move the football forward about a half foot before each snap. It wasn't a full yard of course. But in a "game of inches", I'd imagine those extra feet per game probably helped out a whole lot. lol

Actually it did not matter at that point because the marker was already positioned. The steelers would have lined up behind the original placement.
 
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