Marcus Mariotta

[freak]

mariotta will go in the top five .. or tampa at first or philly trading up or somebody else .. i think mariotta is good too and i will take him at 22 ,but no way he will pass philly

 

[Omar10213245]

Ok so this thread started with what if Mariotta falls to #22, nobody is talking about replacing Ben, What I am talking about and have been talking about is if MM is there at 22 I would take him. Do we have other needs hell yeah we sure the hell do but could we fill them needs also with the other picks and FA....heck yeah. Just for the record if we haven't screwed the other drafts up then this draft would be so "extremely important"!
You can't win in the NFL with a bad QB, are you good with going with Bruce or Landry for a good chunk of the season and maybe the playoffs? I am not, I would want a guy who could give us a chance to win and IMO MM has that ability. Now if he never see's the field fine I am sure he has value in the trade market if you would want to go that route.
With today being the Daytona 500 I will use that as an example, you bring several cars to the track with hopes you never need to use them but if you do the back up car is just as good as the primary one. I am not saying MM is anything like Ben **** they are very big shoes to fill but I like my chances better with MM then with these other two guys. QB is by far the hardest position to fill and most important so if a guy like MM falls I...ME am all about pulling the trigger and taking a chance at #22 in the draft for this guy........and yet again this is all for nothing not a snowballs chance in hell this guys falls that far.

No, MM does NOT have that ability. I'm sorry, but your whole premise is flawed, Mariota is another spread qb who will struggle just to tread water at the next level; I wouldnt take his *** at 42.

 

[Supersteeler]

Ok so this thread started with what if Mariotta falls to #22, nobody is talking about replacing Ben, What I am talking about and have been talking about is if MM is there at 22 I would take him. Do we have other needs hell yeah we sure the hell do but could we fill them needs also with the other picks and FA....heck yeah. Just for the record if we haven't screwed the other drafts up then this draft would be so "extremely important"!
You can't win in the NFL with a bad QB, are you good with going with Bruce or Landry for a good chunk of the season and maybe the playoffs? I am not, I would want a guy who could give us a chance to win and IMO MM has that ability. Now if he never see's the field fine I am sure he has value in the trade market if you would want to go that route.
With today being the Daytona 500 I will use that as an example, you bring several cars to the track with hopes you never need to use them but if you do the back up car is just as good as the primary one. I am not saying MM is anything like Ben **** they are very big shoes to fill but I like my chances better with MM then with these other two guys. QB is by far the hardest position to fill and most important so if a guy like MM falls I...ME am all about pulling the trigger and taking a chance at #22 in the draft for this guy........and yet again this is all for nothing not a snowballs chance in hell this guys falls that far.

The point is, unless you are prepared to bench #7 in favor of Mariota at some point, it is a completely wasted 1st Round pick when your team has tons of holes that desperately need filling. As I said, it would be something Al Davis would come up with. Fall in love with a guy and draft him even though it makes no sense whatsoever for your team.

 

[insaniti]

The point is, unless you are prepared to bench #7 in favor of Mariota at some point, it is a completely wasted 1st Round pick when your team has tons of holes that desperately need filling. As I said, it would be something Al Davis would come up with. Fall in love with a guy and draft him even though it makes no sense whatsoever for your team.

That Aaron Rodgers was such a wasted pick, sat on the bench learning the offense and how to be a professional NFL QB for three years before they gave that bum a shot. I bet GB would love to redo that draft...

 

[awboatguy]

I say we pass if either of them fell to us.

 

[Vader]

That Aaron Rodgers was such a wasted pick, sat on the bench learning the offense and how to be a professional NFL QB for three years before they gave that bum a shot. I bet GB would love to redo that draft...

Favre was 35 years old then and beaten to hell. He played all 16 games 12 years before Rodgers was selected. And that doesn't count his first two years where he played in 17 games total. Favre had been in the league 14 years before Rodgers was drafted. And they wanted him to sit behind Favre for a few more years. So that means by the time Rodgers was ready Favre had played in the league 17 years and was 38 years old. He only played 3 years after that and only had 1 good year with Minnesota. But hell he was 40 years old then. Ben is 2 years younger but has also has played 3 less years than Favre.

My point is that GB knew Favre's time was short. Also people forget that many in GB wanted Rodgers to start in 2005 because the team sucked. They went 4-12 with Favre. He threw 20 TDs with 29 ints. He had one good year after Rodgers was drafted. Some could argue that Rodgers should have played before the 3 years.

 

[STEELERS R GR8]

The point is, unless you are prepared to bench #7 in favor of Mariota at some point, it is a completely wasted 1st Round pick when your team has tons of holes that desperately need filling. As I said, it would be something Al Davis would come up with. Fall in love with a guy and draft him even though it makes no sense whatsoever for your team.

Now way do I want to bench Ben but no way do I pass on MM at 22. You really think one pick will fix this team then fine live in you Al Davis fantasy world cause you are missing the freakin point. I am not in love with MM I am in love with BPA at at 22 there would not be a better player there. You an Vader can think what you want I am all about BPA and we all have our opinions on this and that is fine. It is all for nothing cause he won't be there anyways...probably cause Al Davis will pick him from above......lmao!

 

[Ron Burgundy]

There is absolutely no way that guy drops to our pick. No way.

1. We don't need to replace Ben yet. I'm sure there will be better QB's in the future when we do.
2. He won't be there by the time we pick.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Now way do I want to bench Ben but no way do I pass on MM at 22. You really think one pick will fix this team then fine live in you Al Davis fantasy world cause you are missing the freakin point.

I think the Steelers are closer to one player fixing this team than Mariota is to being a franchise quarterback.

 

[Vader]

Now way do I want to bench Ben but no way do I pass on MM at 22. You really think one pick will fix this team then fine live in you Al Davis fantasy world cause you are missing the freakin point. I am not in love with MM I am in love with BPA at at 22 there would not be a better player there. You an Vader can think what you want I am all about BPA and we all have our opinions on this and that is fine. It is all for nothing cause he won't be there anyways...probably cause Al Davis will pick him from above......lmao!

If Ben were 25 would you take MM? Hell no. So you say "BPA" but you don't really mean that. If you always took BPA regardless of position then the Steelers would have drafted more than 1 QB in the first round over the past 30 years. MM won't fall to the Steelers so it doesn't really matter. However, taking a QB now hurts the team around Ben. Think of it this way. Take all the first round players off this team and how bad would it be. Miller, Pouncey, DeCastro, Heyward, Timmons etc.. Which one would you take off to draft Manzeil, Bridgewater, EJ, Weeden, Tebow, Quinn, or Jason Campbell. Those are the QBs that lasted to 22 over the past few years.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Winston ... Mariota ... who cares? One will go to a team not even in our conference and the other will go to the Jets to be ruined.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Yes he is. Winston ran a 4.97 and 4.99. Winston's hands were on the small side too. I now think MM has passed Winston on draft boards. This QB class if awful. We need these two to go before we pick in round one.

Unequivocally untrue statement right here lol. Winston has essentially locked himself into the #1 spot.

Maybe if jameis fell to 1.22, you may have an argument. Very similar to Ben and already a smart prostyle QB. But it would be a waste for a number 1 to sit for 3 years. It would be an even more idiotic waste to use that pick on a project QB who may not even be ready in 3 years.

 

[Vader]

Unequivocally untrue statement right here lol. Winston has essentially locked himself into the #1 spot.

Maybe if jameis fell to 1.22, you may have an argument. Very similar to Ben and already a smart prostyle QB. But it would be a waste for a number 1 to sit for 3 years. It would be an even more idiotic waste to use that pick on a project QB who may not even be ready in 3 years.

I agree for the most part. Winston is the #1 pick for TB IMHO. However, I don't like Winston as a QB. He is averaging 1 int. per game. And that is against college level talent. ACC college level talent. I don't think he is that bright. He does remind me of Ben in one aspect... he holds the ball way too long. He isn't a quick read so he waits for WRs to come open. I think he struggles to decipher defenses so he waits.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I agree for the most part. Winston is the #1 pick for TB IMHO. However, I don't like Winston as a QB. He is averaging 1 int. per game. And that is against college level talent. ACC college level talent. I don't think he is that bright. He does remind me of Ben in one aspect... he holds the ball way too long. He isn't a quick read so he waits for WRs to come open. I think he struggles to decipher defenses so he waits.

I agree that he definitely is not a quick read Peyton QB, which is why I use the big Ben reference. But when you watch the Mooch interview, you can automatically see that the kid is incredibly football smart. Probably the most important aspect for a QB.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I agree for the most part. Winston is the #1 pick for TB IMHO. However, I don't like Winston as a QB. He is averaging 1 int. per game. And that is against college level talent. ACC college level talent. I don't think he is that bright. He does remind me of Ben in one aspect... he holds the ball way too long. He isn't a quick read so he waits for WRs to come open. I think he struggles to decipher defenses so he waits.

Apparently you are wrong in this regard. I'd say that scouts mentioning his football IQ as being up there with Peyton Manning is pretty darned good.

http://gamedayr.com/sports/jameis-winston-smart-peyton-manning-133161/

Apparently he's actually been preparing like Manning for years. Keeping notebooks full of schematic diagrams of defenses and such.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/63029016/

Then again, maybe Steve Mariucci has the kid all wrong and he really isn't all that bright.

During his workout on Saturday at the combine, Winston looked throwing the ball, but his most impressive quality wasn’t what we got to see during the NFL Network’s coverage of the event. According to Rich Eisen, his NFL Network colleague, Steve Mariucci called Winston “the most astute X’s and O’s guy that he’s ever put on the board” for his draft breakdowns.

“He was not only answering the questions that Steve was throwing at him but anticipating what that question might lead to next and answering that question before Steve even posed it,” Eisen said, via NFL.com.

NFL Media draft analyst Mike Mayock confirmed what Eisen relayed from Mariucci when he said Winston’s work ethic and football intelligence are off the charts.

http://fansided.com/2015/02/21/mariucci-jameis-winstons-work-ethic-football-iq-off-charts/

So, from what I'm reading coming out of the Combine, the football professionals disagree with your assessment of Winston's intelligence. But, I guess they could all be making it up. While I would agree that the kid has exhibited an alarming lack of "common sense" and a sense of entitlement, I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's not that bright.

 

[Vader]

Apparently you are wrong in this regard. I'd say that scouts mentioning his football IQ as being up there with Peyton Manning is pretty darned good.

http://gamedayr.com/sports/jameis-winston-smart-peyton-manning-133161/

Apparently he's actually been preparing like Manning for years. Keeping notebooks full of schematic diagrams of defenses and such.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/63029016/

Then again, maybe Steve Mariucci has the kid all wrong and he really isn't all that bright.



http://fansided.com/2015/02/21/mariucci-jameis-winstons-work-ethic-football-iq-off-charts/

So, from what I'm reading coming out of the Combine, the football professionals disagree with your assessment of Winston's intelligence. But, I guess they could all be making it up. While I would agree that the kid has exhibited an alarming lack of "common sense" and a sense of entitlement, I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's not that bright.

I've read all that before. I've seen the interviews as well. I just don't agree. Talking about plays and then doing it on the field is totally different. He holds the ball to long IMHO. Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean I have to stoop to the idea that they are "making it all up". It just means I don't agree. I remember these same people talking about how great other QBs were going to be... doesn't mean they made it up either. They were just wrong. Just like I've been wrong about many players. I don't have to say they are making anything up even when they are wrong.

 

[Coach]

I still think Lovie is going to take Winston. None of these QB are that good IMHO. I've watched all of them throw and run. Not impressive at all.

I would not touch Winston. He's mistake prone on and off field and slow. Yeah he's got a good arm, but I think the guy is lazy and will gain weight as a pro.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I would not touch Winston. He's mistake prone on and off field and slow. Yeah he's got a good arm, but I think the guy is lazy and will gain weight as a pro.

I struggle to believe that a 2 sport college athlete is lazy.

Knuckle head? Possibly. Lazy? Highly doubtful.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I've read all that before. I've seen the interviews as well. I just don't agree. Talking about plays and then doing it on the field is totally different. He holds the ball to long IMHO. Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean I have to stoop to the idea that they are "making it all up". It just means I don't agree. I remember these same people talking about how great other QBs were going to be... doesn't mean they made it up either. They were just wrong. Just like I've been wrong about many players. I don't have to say they are making anything up even when they are wrong.

Oh, I agree that it's one thing to do it under pressure and another to do it on a dry erase board. But, I wouldn't say that the kid that can who can break down a defense on a dry erase board, and identify the QB's reads, etc.when faced with that defense is not that bright. In fact, I'd say the kid who can do that is pretty intelligent. Just not able to translate that intelligence to actions on the field. I'm just saying that your statement makes it seem as if the kid is some kind of dumb jock, when in reality, he could probably break down offensive and defensive formations better than most people on the internet who consider themselves experts.

You raise some valid concerns about interceptions against the level of talent he faced. However, I believe that's the kind of stuff you have a QB coach on hand to help rectify. And, from what I've seen of Winston, he doesn't have a problem translating "board" knowledge to the field. I've seen a kid who reads a defense fairly well and gets the ball to where it's supposed to be a majority of the time. Where he does have a problem is that he tends to throw off his back foot if faced with direct, in your face, pressure and that has led to some interceptions. Again, those type of mechanical issues are why you hire a QB coach.

Personally, I don't think either Winston or Mariota is a super star waiting to bust out on the NFL scene. Just my opinion. But, I do think that Winston is the more "Pro Ready" of the two.

 

[insaniti]

Favre was 35 years old then and beaten to hell. He played all 16 games 12 years before Rodgers was selected. And that doesn't count his first two years where he played in 17 games total. Favre had been in the league 14 years before Rodgers was drafted. And they wanted him to sit behind Favre for a few more years. So that means by the time Rodgers was ready Favre had played in the league 17 years and was 38 years old. He only played 3 years after that and only had 1 good year with Minnesota. But hell he was 40 years old then. Ben is 2 years younger but has also has played 3 less years than Favre.

My point is that GB knew Favre's time was short. Also people forget that many in GB wanted Rodgers to start in 2005 because the team sucked. They went 4-12 with Favre. He threw 20 TDs with 29 ints. He had one good year after Rodgers was drafted. Some could argue that Rodgers should have played before the 3 years.

You know, not that long ago people were saying Ben didn't have much time left because of the hits he has taken. Now it's he's only 33. The question was asked if he fell, do you take him and put him in a situation LIKE Favre and Rodgers. You don't know if another prospect falls to you, we were lucky as hell that Ben made it to us to begin with, and it took us 20 years of ****** QB play to finally get Ben. I love Ben, I know as long as he's under center we have a shot. I also know that he isn't going to last forever, and Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones aren't exactly people you can hope do more than hold the spot for a few plays while Ben is out.

We all know that Mariotta isn't getting past Philly in ANY scenario. But when a prospect is there, you have to consider it. I hope to hell Ben lasts another 6-7 years like some have said (prob the same people that said 2-3 years left before Haley got here). But I'm also not going to look past a serious QB prospect if he were to fall to us because of a NEED. Drafting for need always gets you into trouble. The other thing NOT being discussed here is what OTHER prospects are on the board when we draft? The combine is still going on, players are going to rise and fall for the next few weeks with the combine and pro days. IF Mariotta were to fall, who's to say there was someone on the board that we would take anyway?

I definitely consider taking him if he were to drop.

 

[Supersteeler]

You know, not that long ago people were saying Ben didn't have much time left because of the hits he has taken. Now it's he's only 33. The question was asked if he fell, do you take him and put him in a situation LIKE Favre and Rodgers. You don't know if another prospect falls to you, we were lucky as hell that Ben made it to us to begin with, and it took us 20 years of ****** QB play to finally get Ben. I love Ben, I know as long as he's under center we have a shot. I also know that he isn't going to last forever, and Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones aren't exactly people you can hope do more than hold the spot for a few plays while Ben is out.

We all know that Mariotta isn't getting past Philly in ANY scenario. But when a prospect is there, you have to consider it. I hope to hell Ben lasts another 6-7 years like some have said (prob the same people that said 2-3 years left before Haley got here). But I'm also not going to look past a serious QB prospect if he were to fall to us because of a NEED. Drafting for need always gets you into trouble. The other thing NOT being discussed here is what OTHER prospects are on the board when we draft? The combine is still going on, players are going to rise and fall for the next few weeks with the combine and pro days. IF Mariotta were to fall, who's to say there was someone on the board that we would take anyway?

I definitely consider taking him if he were to drop.

You can break it down a hundred different ways, but for me it boils down to this and nothing else. If you take a player, knowing that he most likely will be halfway towards his own retirement before you get to find out if he's any good, it's a dumb pick. Especially when your team is an absolute shambles on the other side of the ball.

 

[STEELERS R GR8]

If Ben were 25 would you take MM? Hell no. So you say "BPA" but you don't really mean that. If you always took BPA regardless of position then the Steelers would have drafted more than 1 QB in the first round over the past 30 years. MM won't fall to the Steelers so it doesn't really matter. However, taking a QB now hurts the team around Ben. Think of it this way. Take all the first round players off this team and how bad would it be. Miller, Pouncey, DeCastro, Heyward, Timmons etc.. Which one would you take off to draft Manzeil, Bridgewater, EJ, Weeden, Tebow, Quinn, or Jason Campbell. Those are the QBs that lasted to 22 over the past few years.

First off Ben isn't 25 and we are not talking about who we want to pick at 22 we are talking if Mariotta falls(which is stupid cause he won't) would I take him. Yes I WOULD take BPA(MM), we are not talking about Manzell, Teddy B., Weeden, Tebow etc we are talking about MM who a lot of people think can go #1 which these players you listed never had that kinda hype. I get it you don't like MM that's fine so the way you look at him isn't the same way me and a few others here look at him.

 

[Omar10213245]

First off Ben isn't 25 and we are not talking about who we want to pick at 22 we are talking if Mariotta falls(which is stupid cause he won't) would I take him. Yes I WOULD take BPA(MM), we are not talking about Manzell, Teddy B., Weeden, Tebow etc we are talking about MM who a lot of people think can go #1 which these players you listed never had that kinda hype. I get it you don't like MM that's fine so the way you look at him isn't the same way me and a few others here look at him.

The way you and a few others here look at him, is NOT how the great majority of people see this kid. In my opinion, you and those few others have bought the hype from the 24-hr hype machine. If he somehow dropped to us and the Steelers picked him?? Yeah, I'd be pissed off

 

[STEELERS R GR8]

You can break it down a hundred different ways, but for me it boils down to this and nothing else. If you take a player, knowing that he most likely will be halfway towards his own retirement before you get to find out if he's any good, it's a dumb pick. Especially when your team is an absolute shambles on the other side of the ball.

So let me ask you a question, let's say week 1 next season 2016 season Ben gets hurt(god forbid) and is done for the season. Your good with going with Bruce and Jones instead of having a quality guy like Mariotta with a year under his belt learning from Ben to control our season? If your fine with that then cool I understand you being against the MM pick at 22. I am not and with QB being the main position and us being a more offensive team I want a guy I feel could lead this team. JMO
Yeah we have much more bigger holes to fill but we are not talking just an avg guy we are talking the potential #1 pick in this years draft. Which like I just said in my last post is stupid cause we all are going back and forth for no reason cause MM will not even be close to #22 for us to pick.

 

[STEELERS R GR8]

You know, not that long ago people were saying Ben didn't have much time left because of the hits he has taken. Now it's he's only 33. The question was asked if he fell, do you take him and put him in a situation LIKE Favre and Rodgers. You don't know if another prospect falls to you, we were lucky as hell that Ben made it to us to begin with, and it took us 20 years of ****** QB play to finally get Ben. I love Ben, I know as long as he's under center we have a shot. I also know that he isn't going to last forever, and Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones aren't exactly people you can hope do more than hold the spot for a few plays while Ben is out.

We all know that Mariotta isn't getting past Philly in ANY scenario. But when a prospect is there, you have to consider it. I hope to hell Ben lasts another 6-7 years like some have said (prob the same people that said 2-3 years left before Haley got here). But I'm also not going to look past a serious QB prospect if he were to fall to us because of a NEED. Drafting for need always gets you into trouble. The other thing NOT being discussed here is what OTHER prospects are on the board when we draft? The combine is still going on, players are going to rise and fall for the next few weeks with the combine and pro days. IF Mariotta were to fall, who's to say there was someone on the board that we would take anyway?

I definitely consider taking him if he were to drop.

Nice post I think this is pretty much what I have been trying to say as well.