Trouble in PARADISE........................................... Mitch or Mason ?

[FordFairLane]

Oh thank you. We have been going around about Mitch and Rudy for what three days using cherry picked numbers and metrics (admittedly on both sides) but those do not apply to KP apparently. Cause I could look at raw stats and make a strong case for Mitch and KP being very equal last year. But that is ridiculous because there is something called watching and feel. It's not just fantasy football. Which is why KP is one, Trubu is 2 and Rudy is 3.

He is the clear number one because he was a first round pick. That is the only reason. And anyone who watches and knows football without rose colored glasses on knows that is a fact. If KP was a 7th round pick do you think he is starting this year with no competition? HELL NO.

 

[Hypocycloids]

He is the clear number one because he was a first round pick. That is the only reason. And anyone who watches and knows football without rose colored glasses on knows that is a fact. If KP was a 7th round pick do you think he is starting this year with no competition? HELL NO.

Recall that Mitch was the starter last year and was benched in favor of KP. Mitch played like garbage. Had Mitch played well, KP may still be waiting in the wings as a QB in training.

 

[topseed]

I believe it was the game against the Lions when Rudy did some pretty good running.

To the bathroom at halftime?

 

[FordFairLane]

Recall that Mitch was the starter last year and was benched in favor of KP. Mitch played like garbage. Had Mitch played well, KP may still be waiting in the wings as a QB in training.

 

[SteelerSask2]

He is the clear number one because he was a first round pick. That is the only reason. And anyone who watches and knows football without rose colored glasses on knows that is a fact. If KP was a 7th round pick do you think he is starting this year with no competition? HELL NO.

Look with a few exceptions most of these guys are not head and shoulders above eachother. They were all the best around in high school, near tops in college. But there are traits, metrics and winning in college that put them above eachother. Rudy was a third or 4th they hoped would be a starter. He got his chance and whatever you think of my opinion.....they decided no he is not. Mitch was very high first. He has certainly not lived up to that billing. Kenny was the Steelers first round and is in his second season. If anyone thinks that draft position doesn't mean anything they are joking themselves. It does. It's an investment. Buy Kenny doesn't get to sit there and have people speculate what he couod do. He has to produce. I believe he will.

 

[Hypocycloids]

That makes no sense. If Trub played well, its a good possibility he'd still be the starter. You don't agree?

 

[Hypocycloids]

To the bathroom at halftime?

Yep. But it was during the game. 4 trips for 36 yds.

To much Gatorade or something.

 

[topseed]

When Rudy was waived and no-one bit, that should tell you what the NFL scouts think of Rudy.

Mitch being cut after being a high pick should tell you a lot more than no one signing Mason.

Just for the sake of accuracy, neither Mitch nor Mason was ever waived or cut. They played out their contracts, then signed new ones as free agents. Although the Bears did not pick up Trubisky's fifth-year option in 2020.

To me, it speaks volumes that Rudolph re-signed with the Steelers for a drastic reduction in pay compared to last season, and (maybe more importantly) the understanding that he will be the third-string quarterback in Pittsburgh and nothing more.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

To me, it speaks volumes that Rudolph re-signed with the Steelers for a drastic reduction in pay compared to last season, and (maybe more importantly) the understanding that he will be the third-string quarterback in Pittsburgh and nothing more.

Rudy simply had an epiphany that he could make more $$ as the Steelers QB3 than anything else he could do in life. We all should be so lucky.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Just for the sake of accuracy, neither Mitch nor Mason was ever waived or cut. They played out their contracts, then signed new ones as free agents. Although the Bears did not pick up Trubisky's fifth-year option in 2020.

To me, it speaks volumes that Rudolph re-signed with the Steelers for a drastic reduction in pay compared to last season, and (maybe more importantly) the understanding that he will be the third-string quarterback in Pittsburgh and nothing more.

Not being re-signed. Sorry. Semantics to a degree when referring to a high pick aside from salary cap issues.

 

[topseed]

Rudy simply had an epiphany that he could make more $$ as the Steelers QB3 than anything else he could do in life. We all should be so lucky.

Hey, those clipboards are heavy!

 

[topseed]

Not being re-signed. Sorry. Semantics to a degree when referring to a high pick aside from salary cap issues.

Trubisky was 31-24 in his four years in Chicago. He left as that franchise's highest rated passer, along with the best completion percentage. The Bears are 9-25 since he went elsewhere. Their latest "high pick" QB is 5-20 as a starter.

But yeah, the Bears not re-signing Mitch tells us so much more than 31 other teams passing on Mason Rudolph, who remains a third-string quarterback...behind the very same guy you're arguing against. Great point.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Interesting article by Madden this morning as it pertains to all this. I can't link but don't think we are supposed to link Trib articles anyhow. To summarize it basically talks about KP having a lot of intangibles and light on tangible. Placing him behind so many AFC Q's. What always gets lost in all of this is it's a team game. The Q. Is the most important piece if the puzzle. I will admit that. But Kenny doesn't have to do this himself. Ben's first SB was clearly not the Ben show. It was a team championship. The second was certainly him and passing game and then a defense for the ages. I really do not believe this team is so much different then that. I'd argue a little less mature then the second SB team especially on offense. I'd argue no bell cow coordinator like DL, but very similar.
I think the way you defeat the Mahomes, the Burrows, the Allen's is a total team effort with the Q. With the intangibles.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Yep. But it was during the game. 4 trips for 36 yds.

To much Gatorade or something.

But also, didn’t Mason get the “L” for that game ?


Salute the nation

 

[FordFairLane]

Look with a few exceptions most of these guys are not head and shoulders above eachother. They were all the best around in high school, near tops in college. But there are traits, metrics and winning in college that put them above eachother. Rudy was a third or 4th they hoped would be a starter. He got his chance and whatever you think of my opinion.....they decided no he is not. Mitch was very high first. He has certainly not lived up to that billing. Kenny was the Steelers first round and is in his second season. If anyone thinks that draft position doesn't mean anything they are joking themselves. It does. It's an investment. Buy Kenny doesn't get to sit there and have people speculate what he couod do. He has to produce. I believe he will.

I know all about the metrics and analytics in evaluating an NFL prospect. If you think draft class has nothing to do with WHERE you are drafted then you really don't know anything about the draft. The 2018 was one of the deepest NFL QB draft classes we have ever seen. 5 first round QB's for the first time in 20 years. So while Rudolph might not have had a 1st round grade in 2018 he was rated a 2nd in almost all sports publications. 2022 was one of the weakest draft classes for QB in... well maybe ever. The 2013 class at a minimum. There is no telling how far Pickett might have fallen in the draft if the Steelers didn't take him. Ridder, Howell, Willis, Corrall, and Pickett were all pick your flavor at QB with no true defined #1 overall at the position.

Now I can go over the numbers again... for the millionth time. But the simple fact is Mason with almost the same amount of attempts has out produced Pickett. But the Steelers didn't draft Rudolph number one and have no long term commitment to him. The second they drafted Pickett the writing was on the wall for Mitch and Mason. Whether it was week one, mid season or 2023 Mitch and Mason were not going to be the long term solution at QB. If KP would have been a 4th round pick then the Steelers wouldn't have much in terms of draft capital invested in him and I would say Mitch and Mason might have had a shot. But with the money invested in Mitch he would have got the nod over anyone in that scenario but Mason might have got a shot after Mitch **** the bed the first few weeks of the season.

 

[FordFairLane]

That makes no sense. If Trub played well, its a good possibility he'd still be the starter. You don't agree?

Well, nope. Not a snowballs chance in hell. If he balled out... most likely but not for more than 2022 as 2023 if Mitch started off bad they wouldn't have hesitated to pull him for KP in your scenario. Because you don't draft a QB in the first round and just let him sit. Rodger pushed Favre off the team, Love pushed Rodgers off the team.

 

[madinsomniac]

Well, nope. Not a snowballs chance in hell. If he balled out... most likely but not for more than 2022 as 2023 if Mitch started off bad they wouldn't have hesitated to pull him for KP in your scenario. Because you don't draft a QB in the first round and just let him sit. Rodger pushed Favre off the team, Love pushed Rodgers off the team.

Aaron Rogers didn’t start 1 game his first 3 seasons after being drafted.

Jordan love had one emergency start in 2021 and thats it for his first three years… so neither prove the point you want. They drafted both in the first round and let both sit for three years each

 

[madinsomniac]

Ot is quite clear the Steelers signed Mitch with the intention that he be a two year starter and the terrible start spooked them. They had zero intention of starting Pickett last year. It was a hail mary to try to salvage the season

 

[slashsteel]

"But the simple fact is Mason with almost the same amount of attempts has out produced Pickett"



This guy is some kind of special snowflake. We are talking cooch's doppelganger.

I showed last off-season stats and they didn't show Rudy the red nose third stringer out performing anyone. His accuracy was clearly the worst.

But let's pull **** out of your arse and pass it off as fact.

A whole year and this guy is still hanging on Rudy's nutsack.

Like Pickett didn't look the best out there against the Bucs.

Get the **** out with this nonsense.

 

[Drink IRON City]

"But the simple fact is Mason with almost the same amount of attempts has out produced Pickett"



This guy is some kind of special snowflake. We are talking cooch's doppelganger.

I showed last off-season stats and they didn't show Rudy the red nose third stringer out performing anyone. His accuracy was clearly the worst.

But let's pull **** out of your arse and pass it off as fact.

A whole year and this guy is still hanging on Rudy's nutsack.

Like Pickett didn't look the best out there against the Bucs.

Get the **** out with this nonsense.

ALL I can say is Mason Rudolf will NOT surpass Kenny Pickett on the depth chart. Mitch will either be gone or Mason will be gone at the conclusion of this season. One may get a trade offer but unless circumstances call for it………

Rudy will be out of football, but he will have a SB ring to show for his time here………….


Salute the nation

 

[Hypocycloids]

Well, nope. Not a snowballs chance in hell. If he balled out... most likely but not for more than 2022 as 2023 if Mitch started off bad they wouldn't have hesitated to pull him for KP in your scenario. Because you don't draft a QB in the first round and just let him sit. Rodger pushed Favre off the team, Love pushed Rodgers off the team.

Your first two sentences don't make sense to me.

For the most part first round QB's don't sit, so you're right about that, even if they play sparingly.
But sometimes first rounders do sit.
First rounders Daunte Culpepper, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington and a couple more all sat. Pat Mahomes played in only one game his rookie year, so for all intents and purposes he sat too.
Ben was drafted in the first round. According to what I read the Steelers intention was to have him sit,
Maddox's injury changed the Steelers' original plan for Roethlisberger, which was for him to sit on the bench or play sparingly during the first season or two in order to learn the team's system. Instead, he started the third game of the season against the Miami Dolphins, finishing the 13–3 victory with 12 of 22 completions, 163 passing yards, one touchdown, and an interception.

Trub was named the starter in 2022. My opinion is that if Trubisky balled out he'd continue to be starter going into 2023. But it's only an opinion that can't be proven or disproven as is yours.

 

[topseed]

But also, didn’t Mason get the “L” for that game ?

No, Mason managed to get a "T" in that game, compiling a 70.6 rating at home against the 0-8 Lions and their bottom ten pass defense. But a certain somebody likes to blame everyone and anything else besides Rudolph for that debacle.

 

[xjx]

Rudy had many opportunities to make something happen in that game. He sputtered. That was the moment that convinced me he was " below the line".

 

[slashsteel]

Aaron Rogers didn’t start 1 game his first 3 seasons after being drafted.

Jordan love had one emergency start in 2021 and thats it for his first three years… so neither prove the point you want. They drafted both in the first round and let both sit for three years each

Not a snow ball chance in hell that will change his locked in opinions. You are right Kenny would have rode that bench if Mitch was lighting it up.

 

[slashsteel]

Your first two sentences don't make sense to me.

For the most part first round QB's don't sit, so you're right about that, even if they play sparingly.
But sometimes first rounders do sit.
First rounders Daunte Culpepper, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington and a couple more all sat. Pat Mahomes played in only one game his rookie year, so for all intents and purposes he sat too.
Ben was drafted in the first round. According to what I read the Steelers intention was to have him sit,
Maddox's injury changed the Steelers' original plan for Roethlisberger, which was for him to sit on the bench or play sparingly during the first season or two in order to learn the team's system. Instead, he started the third game of the season against the Miami Dolphins, finishing the 13–3 victory with 12 of 22 completions, 163 passing yards, one touchdown, and an interception.

Trub was named the starter in 2022. My opinion is that if Trubisky balled out he'd continue to be starter going into 2023. But it's only an opinion that can't be proven or disproven as is yours.

They way the Steelers operate you can bank on your opinion being more accurate. That is how they started out the gates. They planned on starting Mitch and seeing how far he took them.