Trouble in PARADISE........................................... Mitch or Mason ?

[Drink IRON City]

Ben ROETHLISBERGER is a great example of a VERY good QB that was intended on sitting.

How many other VERY good QBs have endured the sitting ?

Fortunately circumstances dictated to unleash the ‘berger to his potential setting a record that may never be duplicated.


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[Drink IRON City]

Ben ROETHLISBERGER is a great example of a VERY good QB that was intended on sitting.

How many other VERY good QBs have endured the sitting ?

Fortunately circumstances dictated to unleash the ‘berger to his potential setting a record that may never be duplicated.


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Just to be clear, Mason Rudolf is NOT even remotely in this category.

He was sitting for a reason, not being kept for ”greatness learning” / clip board holding / thread starting player that he is.


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[topseed]

Aaron Rogers didn’t start 1 game his first 3 seasons after being drafted.

Jordan love had one emergency start in 2021 and thats it for his first three years… so neither prove the point you want. They drafted both in the first round and let both sit for three years each

Yeah, and Rudolph is a Johnny Unitas or Warren Moon just waiting to happen....but damn it, these NFL general managers must be blind.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Trubisky was 31-24 in his four years in Chicago. He left as that franchise's highest rated passer, along with the best completion percentage. The Bears are 9-25 since he went elsewhere. Their latest "high pick" QB is 5-20 as a starter.

But yeah, the Bears not re-signing Mitch tells us so much more than 31 other teams passing on Mason Rudolph, who remains a third-string quarterback...behind the very same guy you're arguing against. Great point.

Why did a franchise that spent such a high pick on him not bring him back? Why did he not get an offer to start elsewhere? I never once watched him play for the Bears and thought he could carry a team. I like him as a backup I also like Mason as a backup and think he is the better passer. They bring different things to the team. Mitch can survive a pass rush Mason can stand in the pocket make a read and get the ball downfield. If you combined them we would have something.

 

[FordFairLane]

Aaron Rogers didn’t start 1 game his first 3 seasons after being drafted.

Jordan love had one emergency start in 2021 and thats it for his first three years… so neither prove the point you want. They drafted both in the first round and let both sit for three years each

Who was in front of them? Hall of famers. If Rudolph WOULD have been a first round pick he’d have had a chance when Ben retired.

How about these. 2020 chargers boot Rivers for Herbert. Or better yet the 2020 Dolphins booting Fitzpatrick for Tua.
Daniel Jones taking over for Eli.

On and on and on. You don’t draft a QB in the first and never give them the starting job.

So once again. It didn’t matter how Mitch played or even how Mason balled out in camp. The writing was on the wall. When Mitch stumbled he was getting benched. It was just a matter of time.

 

[FordFairLane]

Your first two sentences don't make sense to me.

For the most part first round QB's don't sit, so you're right about that, even if they play sparingly.
But sometimes first rounders do sit.
First rounders Daunte Culpepper, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington and a couple more all sat. Pat Mahomes played in only one game his rookie year, so for all intents and purposes he sat too.
Ben was drafted in the first round. According to what I read the Steelers intention was to have him sit,
Maddox's injury changed the Steelers' original plan for Roethlisberger, which was for him to sit on the bench or play sparingly during the first season or two in order to learn the team's system. Instead, he started the third game of the season against the Miami Dolphins, finishing the 13–3 victory with 12 of 22 completions, 163 passing yards, one touchdown, and an interception.

Trub was named the starter in 2022. My opinion is that if Trubisky balled out he'd continue to be starter going into 2023. But it's only an opinion that can't be proven or disproven as is yours.

Yes, they all got opportunities. Thank you for agreeing with me. Find me a first round QB who didn’t get an opportunity to start. That’s the point. Doesn’t matter who’s in front of them it’s only a matter of time.

 

[FordFairLane]

Rudy had many opportunities to make something happen in that game. He sputtered. That was the moment that convinced me he was " below the line".

Wrong. But thanks for playing.

 

[FordFairLane]

Why did a franchise that spent such a high pick on him not bring him back? Why did he not get an offer to start elsewhere? I never once watched him play for the Bears and thought he could carry a team. I like him as a backup I also like Mason as a backup and think he is the better passer. They bring different things to the team. Mitch can survive a pass rush Mason can stand in the pocket make a read and get the ball downfield. If you combined them we would have something.

Trubisky has 55 starts and 1765 NFL pass attempts. I would say at this point he’s had an opportunity. People who say Rudolph with 384 pass attempts and 10 starts has had his opportunities and they know who he is but then go around saying that Pickett with 389 pass attempts and 12 starts hasn’t had enough of an opportunity is just laughable. The funniest part is they can get slapped in the face with those facts. Those hard numbers. And still be too inane to understand how absurd they sound.

 

[slashsteel]

Why did a franchise that spent such a high pick on him not bring him back? Why did he not get an offer to start elsewhere? I never once watched him play for the Bears and thought he could carry a team. I like him as a backup I also like Mason as a backup and think he is the better passer. They bring different things to the team. Mitch can survive a pass rush Mason can stand in the pocket make a read and get the ball downfield. If you combined them we would have something.

Wouldn't a better passer be more accurate, which he isn't? I think you might be looking at arm strength which I would agree with. But for me the buck stops there

 

[slashsteel]

Wrong. But thanks for playing.

Your third stringer is nothing more than that Suzie snowflake . You are wrong please don't continue, your agenda is old an inaccurate.

 

[slashsteel]

Trubisky has 55 starts and 1765 NFL pass attempts. I would say at this point he’s had an opportunity. People who say Rudolph with 384 pass attempts and 10 starts has had his opportunities and they know who he is but then go around saying that Pickett with 389 pass attempts and 12 starts hasn’t had enough of an opportunity is just laughable. The funniest part is they can get slapped in the face with those facts. Those hard numbers. And still be too inane to understand how absurd they sound.

You don't think ten starts is a significant opportunity? Yeah most know who the absurd poster is. Stop jacking off to that poster of Rudy shirtless on the ceiling and get with reality.

 

[Hypocycloids]

Yes, they all got opportunities. Thank you for agreeing with me. Find me a first round QB who didn’t get an opportunity to start. That’s the point. Doesn’t matter who’s in front of them it’s only a matter of time.

Those that didn't get the opportunity to play their rookie season I listed them for you.
Of course first round QB's will have the opportunity to play or start. Thats not exclusive to only first round QB's.

You're giving us the impression (me anyway) that from managements viewpoint, that it imperative that Pickett starts because he is a first rounder. If that's not what you're saying then I wasted a lot of time.
I will say this, that it's very possible that Trubisky was put on a short leash because of management/coaching eagerness to see what Picket could do. He was a first rounder after all. If that's what you're saying, then I have no issues with that.

 

[madinsomniac]

Trey lance is a high first round Qb. In two seasons, he has 4 starts to his name and looks like he will be traded before his 3rd nfl season. He lost his spot to a 7th round QB with a tiny amount of experience and a retread qb on his third team with a career sub 60% completion percentage…

Josh rosen was a Top 10 pick in the nfl draft. He got 13 starts as a rookie when the Cardinals decided they hated his intangibles and drafted his replacement and traded him in the offseason…
Teams can move on quickly from a first round qb if a better option is readily available and they really think he isn’t going to work out..

Hell the Redskins outright cut Haskins after two seasons … his stats were just marginally worse than alex smith’s that season…

 

[Drink IRON City]

First off, I’m pretty sure Rudy wasn’t drafted in the first round.

Why the **** are some saying he deserves 1st round treatments?

He has time to shine and barely lit the dim sleigh star.

One or the other (Mitch / Rudy) will be gone end of season as there will be room. For a young “rookie” up and comer. My less than “Santa” gut feels it will the Rudy “walking along…. Singing a song… in his winter wonderland.


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[jitter77]

Trey lance is a high first round Qb. In two seasons, he has 4 starts to his name and looks like he will be traded before his 3rd nfl season. He lost his spot to a 7th round QB with a tiny amount of experience and a retread qb on his third team with a career sub 60% completion percentage…

Josh rosen was a Top 10 pick in the nfl draft. He got 13 starts as a rookie when the Cardinals decided they hated his intangibles and drafted his replacement and traded him in the offseason…
Teams can move on quickly from a first round qb if a better option is readily available and they really think he isn’t going to work out..

Hell the Redskins outright cut Haskins after two seasons … his stats were just marginally worse than alex smith’s that season…

Trey Lance was one of the dumbest high 1st round QB picks I can remember. He barely had any experience and teams fell in love w/ his physical abilities. I guess he could still turn out to be something, but to me he should have been a 3rd or 4th round pick that teams took a flyer on. Rosen bounced all around. I think his attitude got in the way of him even trying to develop. On the flip side if you watched a guy like Eli Manning his rookie year he looked beyond terrible. I did not see much potential there, but he turned into a decent QB. Even golden child Lawrence really flipped a switch last year. Mason never really seemed to take that next step up, but I think Kenny will based on what we are hearing about his work ethic.

 

[Hypocycloids]

When FordFairlaine posts I'm sometimes reminded of my younger days. It seems most punks my age were Chevy lovers but since my dad was a Ford guy, I too was a Ford guy.
My first car was not a Fairlane but a 1964 Ford Galaxy 500. It's counterpart the 64 Chevy Impala was far more popular, but the 64 Galaxy 500 looked pretty cool all souped up as well. Mine was a dark blue. I had painted the grill black. It looked really cool.

God I wished the girl got out of the way so you guys could see the car better.

So after I parted with the Galaxy, I bought a 1966 Ford Mustang from a truck driver who hauled it from California to Pa. Being a California car, it didn't have freakin spot of rust. I sold it for $550 before enlisting in the Air Force, only to learn a couple years later that these cars would become collectors items. I so wanted that car back.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

You don't think ten starts is a significant opportunity? Yeah most know who the absurd poster is. Stop jacking off to that poster of Rudy shirtless on the ceiling and get with reality.

Now I will have to FFF side on that particular statement. The 10 starts he got were mostly with a very inexperienced at best WR group and a rapidly declining line. Also if you think 10 starts is enough where would Bradshaw be or Manning or many others. He was very accurate in his first 5 or so starts. He has shown the ability to be accurate, at least until he gets inside the 20 and there he has improving to do for sure. If he had better mobility laterally he would or would have been worth giving him a bigger shot. His mobility doomed him with the line and scheme we had.

 

[slashsteel]

Now I will have to FFF side on that particular statement. The 10 starts he got were mostly with a very inexperienced at best WR group and a rapidly declining line. Also if you think 10 starts is enough where would Bradshaw be or Manning or many others. He was very accurate in his first 5 or so starts. He has shown the ability to be accurate, at least until he gets inside the 20 and there he has improving to do for sure. If he had better mobility laterally he would or would have been worth giving him a bigger shot. His mobility doomed him with the line and scheme we had.

Yeah see here is the thing inside the 20 is relevant. "Some improving to do". That coincides with the it factor. You can squeeze it into tight windows or you can't. One thing I seen from Rudy this off-season. More so than in recent memory is that his INTs have gone up in practices. He isn't improving with yet another training camp under center. You also have to remember when I say they should have seen enough with ten starts that is just the iceberg. We are talking countless of behind closed door sessions going against one of the best pressure defenses in the NFL. So the Steelers have had more than ample looks at him up close. Moreso than you and me. With that they let the guy float around in free agency and gave him every opportunity to be snatched up elsewhere and he still came floating back. So the Steelers actions scream they like what they see in Mitch and Kenny better. It also screams that they have seen enough of Rudolph and like his familiarity within scheme, etc. But th buck stops there.

So sure you can have your opinion and like the guy and think this or that. You are entitled to it sure. But their opinion based on their acts doesn't align with Rudy just hasn't gotten the opportunity he deserves.

I share their opinion because I trust their evaluations of the guy and won't get caught up in what he occasionally looks like in vanilla TV ball.

My opinion which I have been wrong on some of them always that possible. But in this case I strongly feel we have seen Rudy's best and besides that nice occasional deep ball, the rest of his game won't come together to where you feel confident with him under center.

 

[topseed]

Why did a franchise that spent such a high pick on him not bring him back? Why did he not get an offer to start elsewhere? I never once watched him play for the Bears and thought he could carry a team. I like him as a backup I also like Mason as a backup and think he is the better passer. They bring different things to the team. Mitch can survive a pass rush Mason can stand in the pocket make a read and get the ball downfield. If you combined them we would have something.

The Bears are not a model franchise, so the fact that they didn't bring Trubisky back has absolutely no credibility. Chicago has had one winning record in the past ten years. Trubisky was the quarterback, They've made the playoffs twice in the last 12 years. Trubisky was the quarterback. Mitch was 31-24 as a starter there. The guy they replaced him with is 5-20. And you want to put stock in what the Bears' front office does? OK.

Trubisky did get an offer to start elsewhere. In Pittsburgh. Rudolph didn't get an offer to start anywhere, ever.

 

[FordFairLane]

Those that didn't get the opportunity to play their rookie season I listed them for you.
Of course first round QB's will have the opportunity to play or start. Thats not exclusive to only first round QB's.

You're giving us the impression (me anyway) that from managements viewpoint, that it imperative that Pickett starts because he is a first rounder. If that's not what you're saying then I wasted a lot of time.
I will say this, that it's very possible that Trubisky was put on a short leash because of management/coaching eagerness to see what Picket could do. He was a first rounder after all. If that's what you're saying, then I have no issues with that.

My point was those guys were hall of fame QBs. The teams still booted them for first round guys. Manning, Rivers, etc they got the boot in favor of a first round pick. Even if Mitch played well he was not going to be the long term starter. Kenny was always going to be handed the job.
Yes, I am saying there is no condition that Mitch or Mason were ever going to be the long term solution at QB the second Pickett was drafted. There’s no scenario that pickett would not be given the starting job. Maybe mitch could have kept the starting job with excellent play for a season or perhaps two but that was about it.

 

[steel dino]

When FordFairlaine posts I'm sometimes reminded of my younger days. It seems most punks my age were Chevy lovers but since my dad was a Ford guy, I too was a Ford guy.
My first car was not a Fairlane but a 1964 Ford Galaxy 500. It's counterpart the 64 Chevy Impala was far more popular, but the 64 Galaxy 500 looked pretty cool all souped up as well. Mine was a dark blue. I had painted the grill black. It looked really cool.

God I wished the girl got out of the way so you guys could see the car better.

So after I parted with the Galaxy, I bought a 1966 Ford Mustang from a truck driver who hauled it from California to Pa. Being a California car, it didn't have freakin spot of rust. I sold it for $550 before enlisting in the Air Force, only to learn a couple years later that these cars would become collectors items. I so wanted that car back.

Great headlights BTW..

 

[FordFairLane]

Trey lance is a high first round Qb. In two seasons, he has 4 starts to his name and looks like he will be traded before his 3rd nfl season. He lost his spot to a 7th round QB with a tiny amount of experience and a retread qb on his third team with a career sub 60% completion percentage…

Josh rosen was a Top 10 pick in the nfl draft. He got 13 starts as a rookie when the Cardinals decided they hated his intangibles and drafted his replacement and traded him in the offseason…
Teams can move on quickly from a first round qb if a better option is readily available and they really think he isn’t going to work out..

Hell the Redskins outright cut Haskins after two seasons … his stats were just marginally worse than alex smith’s that season…

Trey Lance did start over Jimmy G. If it wasn’t for his injury he probably would be starting this year. And if they don’t trade him and Purdy doesn’t play well I guarantee they don’t hesitate to put him back in.
Haskins was released because of his off the field antics. If Pickett or anyone acted that way they’d be cut too. I’m not saying that a first round qb is impervious to being released or benched. Just there’s no first round qb who wasn’t given the opportunity to start. I wouldn’t doubt the Steelers FO isn’t sold on Pickett. And keeping mitch around and resigning Mason isn’t their insurance policy if he falters and is the one piece of the puzzle from us winning vs losing. I personally wouldn’t pull him. I would take my licks and bruises now so I know what I have in a year or two. Give him a fair opportunity to grow and develop.

 

[Drink IRON City]

You don't think ten starts is a significant opportunity? Yeah most know who the absurd poster is. Stop jacking off to that poster of Rudy shirtless on the ceiling and get with reality.

For a second, I thought I was going to have to take dow2n me Farrah Faucet poster……….


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[Drink IRON City]

Great headlights BTW..

The “side” trunk looks pretty good too !!!!


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[Drink IRON City]

When FordFairlaine posts I'm sometimes reminded of my younger days. It seems most punks my age were Chevy lovers but since my dad was a Ford guy, I too was a Ford guy.
My first car was not a Fairlane but a 1964 Ford Galaxy 500. It's counterpart the 64 Chevy Impala was far more popular, but the 64 Galaxy 500 looked pretty cool all souped up as well. Mine was a dark blue. I had painted the grill black. It looked really cool.

God I wished the girl got out of the way so you guys could see the car better.

So after I parted with the Galaxy, I bought a 1966 Ford Mustang from a truck driver who hauled it from California to Pa. Being a California car, it didn't have freakin spot of rust. I sold it for $550 before enlisting in the Air Force, only to learn a couple years later that these cars would become collectors items. I so wanted that car back.

H-I-T twice

not the car



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