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Yes, it is only practice...

while you are researching stats coach....how are Nick Bosa and Quinnen Williams doing?
 
A-N-D one wonders why couldn't he have fallen just one more place..................... (not sure the steelers would have taken him if so)




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I have no dog in this fight, but wanted to add a couple things...

I know he was a NT, but Big Snack was not a stat guy either and he was pretty damn good. He averaged 1.20 tackles, 0.95 assisted tackles, and 0.05 sacks a game for his career. Also, the other DT for the Bills, Star Lotulelei, has 1 tackle for the year. Carry on...


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Casey Hampton averaged a little over one solo tackle a game over his career. Guy had 9 career sacks. I don’t think anyone would deny the impact he had on the success of the defense. Aaron Donald is a freak and an anamoly as far as what he does as a DT. A very rare breed.

I think you have to know what Oliver is being asked to do. Is he being asked to sack the QB or is he being asked to clog the middle and occupy blockers? Depending on that, success or failure is measured by more than just stats. The Bills will be on TV up here in Northern New York, so I will have to watch.
 
Sarge said:
Casey Hampton averaged a little over one solo tackle a game over his career. Guy had 9 career sacks. I don’t think anyone would deny the impact he had on the success of the defense. Aaron Donald is a freak and an anamoly as far as what he does as a DT. A very rare breed.

I think you have to know what Oliver is being asked to do. Is he being asked to sack the QB or is he being asked to clog the middle and occupy blockers? Depending on that, success or failure is measured by more than just stats. The Bills will be on TV up here in Northern New York, so I will have to watch.
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Yep. Most times the dominance of a NT can be judged by the stats of the guys lining up beside him and behind him, rather than his own stats. His dominance boosts their numbers, just like Hampton.
 
Yo Coolie. One of the Bills DT's went on IR, so this means more reps and chances for Oliver. The thing is Oliver was shut out for the game vs the Patriots. 0.0

No tackles, no assisted tackles, and of course no sacks. In four regular season games played, Oliver has but three solo tackles and no sacks. And please stop making talking about Hampton as if they are similar players. Hampton was a pure 3-4 NT, and a very hard run to run on. He also didn't play much at all on nickel or dime, Oliver does. Besides Oliver is listed as a DT, not a NT. Oliver was pushed around by college players and can't get off block to make a tackle. That's what I predicted. Dead on so far. He's a light weight. Not a 320 pound rock like Hampton was.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/boxscore?id=8812
 
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Yo Coolie. One of the Bills DT's went on IR, so this means more reps and chances for Oliver. The thing is Oliver was shut out for the game vs the Patriots. 0.0

No tackles, no assisted tackles, and of course no sacks. In four regular season games played, Oliver has but three solo tackles and no sacks. And please shut up Hampton, he was a pure NT, and a very hard run to run on. Oliver was pushed around by college players and can't get off block to make a tackle. He's a light weight. Not a 320 pound rock like Hampton was.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/boxscore?id=8812
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oh shut the **** up do you ever watch any games, Oliver got pressure on brady and knocked him down twice...granted the first he barely touched him and he tripped over a guy on the ground. The second one he barely missed the sack and took him to the ground. The defense he is a big part of gave up 9 points to the pats.....******* 9. Brady was pressured many times and did not look good at all

crow all you want about lack of stats, he is more than holding his own and your views on his talent level (like 99.999999999999999321% of your posts) are ******* bullshit.
 
CoolieMan said:
while you are researching stats coach....how are Nick Bosa and Quinnen Williams doing?
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As I told you as of last week Oliver ranks 108 among defensive lineman in total tackles. With no production today, he'll push far back. Back ups are making more plays then he is!

78 defensive lineman register in the sack department, he's not one of them. That number should go up as well.

If you want a side wager on who has more sacks between Bosa and Oliver this season, we can talk about that one.
 
Coach said:
As I told you as of last week Oliver ranks 108 among defensive lineman in total tackles. With no production today, he'll push far back. Back ups are making more plays then he is!

78 defensive lineman register in the sack department, he's not one of them. That number should go up as well.

If you want a side wager on who has more sacks between Bosa and Oliver this season, we can talk about that one.
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who the **** would bet on a DT getting more sacks than a DE who is supposed to be in on more qb pressures? but the super stud bosa had the same number of tackles through 3 games as the dud Oliver....

from my earlier post.....an unbiased view of his games so far.....

By Mike Johnson
Published September 25, 2019|Updated September 25, 2019



Pro Football Focus will be contributing to BNblitz.com all season long.

While the offense has done enough to keep the Bills unbeaten through three weeks, the defense has been downright dominant, limiting their opponents to less than 16 points per game.

Among the standout playmakers on defense so far has been first-round draft pick Ed Oliver, the defensive tackle chosen at No. 9 overall.

Using the Premium Stats available with PFF Elite subscriptions, we analyzed the rookie interior defender’s impact to start his debut season with the Bills.

The Bills’ ability to recognize Oliver’s skill set has paid off in a major way during their perfect start to the season. The rookie has posted a 75.3 overall pass-rush grade, in the top 20 among all interior defenders with 50 or more snaps this season, and third among first-year defenders. He has also generated 10 total pressures on the quarterback (nine hurries and one quarterback hit), which is among the top 15 among all interior defenders and first among rookies.


But the week-by-week breakdown of Oliver’s performance proves that the Bills are allowing the rookie to flourish in their versatile 4-3 defensive scheme.

Week 1 vs. the Jets

Oliver was a force against the Jets in Week 1 as he graded better than 75.0 as both a pass rusher and a run defender. He ended the game with a defensive stop against the run and five total pressures – Nick Bosa was the only rookie to have more in Week 1.

Week 2 vs. the Giants

The Bills’ rookie defender added two more pressures and a batted passes to his first-year pass-rush résumé.



Week 3 vs. the Bengals

Another week, another multi-pressure outing. In his third game, against the Bengals, Oliver produced three hurries from just 24 pass-rushing snaps.

Through three weeks, his pass-rush win rate of 14.1% ranks 18th among 55 qualifying interior defenders.

The competition gets a little tougher for Oliver against the Patriots in Week 4 as their interior offensive line has allowed only 15 total pressures on 124 pass-block snaps. As always, getting pressure on Tom Brady will be a key in the Bills’ hopes in pulling the upset.

Story topics: Ed Oliver/ Pro Football Focus
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CoolieMan said:
oh shut the **** up do you ever watch any games, Oliver got pressure on brady and knocked him down twice...granted the first he barely touched him and he tripped over a guy on the ground. The second one he barely missed the sack and took him to the ground. The defense he is a big part of gave up 9 points to the pats.....******* 9. Brady was pressured many times and did not look good at all

crow all you want about lack of stats, he is more than holding his own and your views on his talent level (like 99.999999999999999321% of your posts) are ******* bullshit.
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You were much better off talking about practice, and as I showed you Oliver had struggled to produce the pre-season when veterans are really not trying hard, and he's playing 2nd string guys. That was the first red flag. The regular season, 25% in the books shows he's producing below pretty much every NFL Starting DT. That amigo is a fact. It's still early. I'll give you that. He can slide backward as he did today, or do something besides making a tackle a game next week.


This is the NFL, not the AAC where Oliver gets to pad his stats by playing Navy or East Carolina, which is where his only sacks came from last season. Where are these plays behind the LOS? GONE, not happening at all vs.NFL lineman. By the way how are you Houston boys doing this year? What's that? Last in the AAC West. Ouch, tough football season for you so far.


You must be a big fan of horseshoes with your almost explanations!:sad1:
 
The thing I really can't stand about "gotcha" ********, is when they're also self-serving morons who have no idea as to what they're talking about, and they're also too lazy to actually do any work to back up what they're talking about.
 
Coach said:
You were much better off talking about practice, and as I showed you Oliver had struggled to produce the pre-season when veterans are really not trying hard, and he's playing 2nd string guys. That was the first red flag. The regular season, 25% in the books shows he's producing below pretty much every NFL Starting DT. That amigo is a fact. It's still early. I'll give you that. He can slide backward as he did today, or do something besides making a tackle a game next week.


This is the NFL, not the AAC where Oliver gets to pad his stats by playing Navy or East Carolina, which is where his only sacks came from last season. Where are these plays behind the LOS? GONE, not happening at all vs.NFL lineman. By the way how are you Houston boys doing this year? What's that? Last in the AAC West. Ouch, tough football season for you so far.


You must be a big fan of horseshoes with your almost explanations!:sad1:
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You are a true ********....

UH has played one conference game and yes they lost. They are in a transition year and their senior qb and one of their top wrs just decided to redshirt for the season...they have a lot of transfers who have to sit out this season so if King does return after his redshirt year, next year could be a lot better

UH played well against Oklahoma and had a second half lead on ranked Washington State until their defense decided tackling was against the rules...same thing happened against their only AAC opponent Tulane.

Is Oliver a All Pro at this point, Nope...but he is doing very well for a rookie in his first few games. Watch objectively and you would see that....hell watch at all. Only ******* douchebags try to judge players based solely on stats without any actual game film. and you sir are the king of the douchebags....
 
By the way Coolie, you're using PFF now? Hahaha. The NFL keeps QB pressure stats, and Oliver has a grand total of 2 for the year according to the NFL.


But okay if you believe PFF he's got 9. We'll see where PFF rates him after this week is over. Once they catch on, you will dump then and trash them as you have done before. Using them here is somewhat hypocritical when you factor in how much you bashed them in the past. But hey I understand, hold on to that straw! By the way I've got nothing against the Houston football program itself. You didn't expect them to be in last place now, did you? I think not, not even in a traction year.

And stop lying bout the games. I have seen Oliver play in the NFL with focus on him. He does nada. Do I need to post pictures of my TV to prove this? Too funny! I'll bump the thread with more comments next week.


https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/ed-oliver-player-stats
 
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By the way Coolie, you're using PFF now? The NFL keeps QB pressure stats, and Oliver has a grand total of 2 for the year according to the NFL.


But okay if you believe PFF he's got 9. We'll see where PFF rates him after this week is over. Once they catch on, you dump then and trash them as you have done before. Using them here is somewhat hypocritical when you factor in how much you bashed them in the past. But hey I understand, hold on to that straw! By the way I've got nothing against the Houston football program itself.


https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/ed-oliver-player-stats
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I bash PFT...PFT whorios stupd ******* site

if I have bashed PFF in the past it must have been for some stupid **** they posted. I may be wrong but I believe you have quoted PFF in the past and that is why I pulled that article....

and by the way, no one gives a **** about your thoughts on the Houston program.
 
Sarge said:
Casey Hampton averaged a little over one solo tackle a game over his career. Guy had 9 career sacks. I don’t think anyone would deny the impact he had on the success of the defense. Aaron Donald is a freak and an anamoly as far as what he does as a DT. A very rare breed.

I think you have to know what Oliver is being asked to do. Is he being asked to sack the QB or is he being asked to clog the middle and occupy blockers? Depending on that, success or failure is measured by more than just stats. The Bills will be on TV up here in Northern New York, so I will have to watch.
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I watched the game, and he's certainly not being asked to sack the quarterback. He was double-teamed quite a bit and is clogging lanes. I know it wasn't all just Buffalo's front, but Tom Brady's stats prior to this game:

72/106 for 911 yards, 68% completions 8.6 YPA 7 TDs 0 INTs passer rating 116.5

This game:

18/39 for 150 yards, 46% completions 0 TDs 1 INT
 
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The NFL keeps QB pressure stats, and Oliver has a grand total of 2 for the year according to the NFL.



/www.foxsports.com/nfl/ed-oliver-player-stats
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FWIW - here is a link to NFL stats, not Faux News Sports.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...=DEFENSIVE_LINEMAN&season=2019&seasonType=REG


I don't give two ***** about stats, but if you are going chastise a guy for not using official source material, the least you could do is link to actual source material yourself.
 
Coach said:
By the way Coolie, you're using PFF now? Hahaha. The NFL keeps QB pressure stats, and Oliver has a grand total of 2 for the year according to the NFL.


But okay if you believe PFF he's got 9. We'll see where PFF rates him after this week is over. Once they catch on, you will dump then and trash them as you have done before. Using them here is somewhat hypocritical when you factor in how much you bashed them in the past. But hey I understand, hold on to that straw! By the way I've got nothing against the Houston football program itself. You didn't expect them to be in last place now, did you? I think not, not even in a traction year.

And stop lying bout the games. I have seen Oliver play in the NFL with focus on him. He does nada. Do I need to post pictures of my TV to prove this? Too funny! I'll bump the thread with more comments next week.


https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/ed-oliver-player-stats
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Hey Dumb ***, it’s not hypocritical. It’s called using your own source to disprove your BS. Everyone on this board knows you plagiarize others research, with PFF being your favorite site since you subscribe to it. Your subscribed site disagrees with your own observations, even if you have watched games (which is highly doubtful). Watching a game in a crowded bar joint isn’t the same as watching the 22 film.

As for your college ball comments, you already know you have no credibility on evaluating college players so don’t waste your time. That floor job should be your priority.


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Ike Kelly said:
Hey Dumb ***, it’s not hypocritical. It’s called using your own source to disprove your BS. Everyone on this board knows you plagiarize others research, with PFF being your favorite site since you subscribe to it. Your subscribed site disagrees with your own observations, even if you have watched games (which is highly doubtful). Watching a game in a crowded bar joint isn’t the same as watching the 22 film.

As for your college ball comments, you already know you have no credibility on evaluating college players so don’t waste your time. That floor job should be your priority.


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The one time cooch did look at something he slanted his viewing to his ****** opinion.

So he is the one fan who could break something down ten people could see it one way, and there cooch would be still hanging onto whatever ****** opinion he had from the getgo.
 
it is not paying off in sacks but.....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...s-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard

Top 10 DT Pass Rush Win Rate
1. Aaron Donald, Rams, 28%
2. Grady Jarrett, Falcons, 23%
3. Ed Oliver, Bills, 19%
4. Calais Campbell, Jaguars, 19%
5. Maliek Collins, Cowboys, 18%
6. Vita Vea, Buccaneers, 18%
7. Chris Jones, Chiefs, 16%
8. Matt Ioannidis, Redskins, 15%
9. Corey Peters, Cardinals, 14%
10. D.J. Reader, Texans, 14%
 
and to make this thread bump Steeler related....

from the same article

Top 10 DE/OLB Pass Rush Win Rate
1. T.J. Watt, Steelers, 33%
2. Robert Quinn, Cowboys, 30%
3. Myles Garrett, Browns, 28%
4. Preston Smith, Packers, 28%
5. Jadeveon Clowney, Seahawks, 27%
6. Dante Fowler Jr., Rams, 27%
7. Matthew Judon, Ravens, 26%
8. Khalil Mack, Bears, 26%
8. DeMarcus Lawrence, Cowboys, 26%
10. Shaquil Barrett, Buccaneers, 25%
 
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