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WindyCitySteel said:
I had followed Ben's entire last season at Miami all year and was begging for him to fall, Cleveland was the last obstacle. Never been happier about a draft pick.
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I just remember wanting Rivers and Ben as a second. So glad how it turned out. When the Browns skipped a QB the wait to our pick was an eternity.

Rivers went like 4th so Ben was the only guy left to pick. No way he gets past the QB needing Browns right?
Hahahaha
 
slashsteel said:
Under OC: Bruce Arians
  • 2009 – 4,328 yards
  • 2011 – 4,077 yards
Under OC: Todd Haley
  • 2013 – 4,261 yards
  • 2014 – 4,952 yards
  • 2017 – 4,251 yards

  • Under OC: Randy Fichtner
2018 – 5,129 yards

Let us not pretend that Mike Tomlin was an X and O guy with no clipboard, sheet, etc.

Over a large time frame it was well known his specialty (supposedly) was defense.

I am going to assume you are trolling.
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He threw his damn elbow our there at 2018.
 
I think I'm going to settle on Cole Payton as the QB I want the Steelers to draft. A pure developmental QB, but a lot of tools and is fun to watch. He's the most "Pittsburgh" QB in this draft.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
I think I'm going to settle on Cole Payton as the QB I want the Steelers to draft. A pure developmental QB, but a lot of tools and is fun to watch. He's the most "Pittsburgh" QB in this draft.
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Hand size?

Asking for a friend
 
slashsteel said:
Under OC: Bruce Arians
  • 2009 – 4,328 yards
  • 2011 – 4,077 yards
Under OC: Todd Haley
  • 2013 – 4,261 yards
  • 2014 – 4,952 yards
  • 2017 – 4,251 yards

  • Under OC: Randy Fichtner
2018 – 5,129 yards

Let us not pretend that Mike Tomlin was an X and O guy with no clipboard, sheet, etc.

Over a large time frame it was well known his specialty (supposedly) was defense.

I am going to assume you are trolling.
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I'm not trolling. What would have the stats been if they had an "offensive minded" head coach? It's a dumb assertion. When Mike Tomlin had the offensive firepower, he let it thrive. It's largely his fault when he didn't have the firepower, so I'm not defending him, so don't go there. I'm objecting to something that just isn't true for large parts of Ben's career and the stats support that.
 
Yeesh -- Payton started one season after four years as a benchwarmer at an FCS school. If you're taking a mid-round flier on a guy, Beck and Allar are much better options.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
When Ben had free reign and drew up his plays in the dirt or exposed D’s when the plays broke down was usually when the offense got its splash and was at its most effective.

In other words when Tomlin was taken out of the equation things got better

So no, when you are a hurdle to success that indeed is NOT offensive minded.

I’d throw out the Haley years as he actually appeared to have a bit of autonomy under Tomlin from many reports..:when Tomlin got more involved things got progressively worse.
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I think your first point is more urban legend than anything at this point. No Qb is going to throw for over 4,000 yards 5 times and over 5,000 once by drawing shiit up in the dirt. He was great at making reads and throws from the pocket as well.

I just don't know what more any fan could have asked for in some of those years to be more "offensive minded." Maybe in those years if they would have been a little more "defensive minded" they would have actually won something.
 
diver said:
I'm not trolling. What would have the stats been if they had an "offensive minded" head coach? It's a dumb assertion. When Mike Tomlin had the offensive firepower, he let it thrive. It's largely his fault when he didn't have the firepower, so I'm not defending him, so don't go there. I'm objecting to something that just isn't true for large parts of Ben's career and the stats support that.
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We don’t know what the stats would be as it would be differ for each offensive minded coach right?

When Mike had the fire power he let it thrive huh.

What the stats support was he wasn’t good enough when it mattered the most. When those X and O matchups happened Mike didn’t cut the mustard.

I showed the O stats as those OCs were mainly responsible for them.

They were the X and Os behind them.

What Mike was credited for was being able to squeeze out regular season wins.

What he is blamed for was not bringing in a good supporting staff to make up for his deficiencies.

You seem like you do a decent amount of not defending him. I am not interested in defending him or not defend him. I just don’t want fans to get it twisted he held this organization back.

And thankfully he is gone.

That is what he should get credit for nothing more or less.
 
diver said:
I think your first point is more urban legend than anything at this point. No Qb is going to throw for over 4,000 yards 5 times and over 5,000 once by drawing shiit up in the dirt. He was great at making reads and throws from the pocket as well.

I just don't know what more any fan could have asked for in some of those years to be more "offensive minded." Maybe in those years if they would have been a little more "defensive minded" they would have actually won something.
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Your mancrush on the former Mike is showing
 
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