The crazy thing is, and I'm guessing most aren't aware of this stat, Ben finished his career with a slightly higher comp% than Brady. Everyone refers to Brady as pin point accurate and usually Ben as not always an accurate passer.
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His pump fake
His ability to excel as a play breaks down
His skill after taking contact
All second to none
We were blessed
I would love to know all the QBs accuracy percentage on the move. I would be shocked if Ben wasn’t top 3.
Shocked PFF doesn't have that.
I asked IZ my chatAI to make me a list and I think it is pretty fair:
“If we’re talking pure throwing accuracy on the move, my personal historical list might look like:
Aaron Rodgers
Steve Young
Patrick Mahomes
Ben Roethlisberger
Russell WilsonI would always debate BigBen was top 5 in this category. Now add in tackle breaking ability and we know who would stand tall..
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Ben is criminally underrated because he didn’t play like Brady, Manning, and Brees and the media just didn’t like him. Imagine his all-time numbers if he was healthy throughout his entire career.
Or if he had an offensive minded HC
We pretty much thought the same thing after reading that, too funny.
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I asked IZ my chatAI to make me a list and I think it is pretty fair:
“If we’re talking pure throwing accuracy on the move, my personal historical list might look like:
I would always debate BigBen was top 5 in this category. Now add in tackle breaking ability and we know who would stand tall..
Your list is very commendable, but I’d have to add a couple things with move up involvement of Ben.
Patric Mahomes isn’t quite the accurate as some think. I’m only going by speculation of my eye view test. I’ve had to endure more Chief’s games than I wanted due to my employee being a Chiefs fan. Mahomes had some luck in crunch time, but so had BEN.
It was more a consistent throw and catch while scrambling for Ben (piss poor OLs) where as Mahomes had way better protection.
As for Steve Young, he scrambled and took off more of the time than throw. He also had more stable offensive line protection. His scrambles were less intensified than Ben’s (due to being flooded from the get go), Young continuously had more time.
So in conclusion, I’d move Ben Roethlisberger up two spots and like I’m saying this is purely speculation and by my eye test.
Great list slash, thank you.
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Or if he watched film. Ben was great after the play broke down. It probably shouldn't have so much.
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He was really good within structure as well, but truly special when the play broke down.
Yeah, you don't get to top 5/top10 all time in most stats by not watching film.
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It was hyperbole, but early in his career he didn't have the rep of being a gym rat, just relied on physical ability.
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Josh Allen does the same thing.
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Agreed....both insanely talented physically.
I'm just curious. He threw for over 4,000 yards 5 times and over 5,000 once. That isn't offensive minded?
The latter years have skewed our memories
Under OC: Bruce Arians
- 2009 – 4,328 yards
- 2011 – 4,077 yards
- 2013 – 4,261 yards
- 2014 – 4,952 yards
- 2017 – 4,251 yards
- Under OC: Randy Fichtner
Let us not pretend that Mike Tomlin was an X and O guy with no clipboard, sheet, etc.
Over a large time frame it was well known his specialty (supposedly) was defense.
I am going to assume you are trolling.
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Allen is probably more physically talented than Ben ever was.
Similar scrambling abilities to throw, (especially for their size) but Allen is in a different universe from Ben as a runner.
Considering Allen's size, I'm not sure the league has seen anything like it from the QB position.
Prime Daunte Culpepper, maybe.
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When Ben had free reign and drew up his plays in the dirt or exposed D’s when the plays broke down was usually when the offense got its splash and was at its most effective.
In other words when Tomlin was taken out of the equation things got better
So no, when you are a hurdle to success that indeed is NOT offensive minded.
I’d throw out the Haley years as he actually appeared to have a bit of autonomy under Tomlin from many reports..:when Tomlin got more involved things got progressively worse.
The only QB that their skill sets compare is Josh Allen..
Ben was better..he has the rings to prove it..
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I asked IZ my chatAI to make me a list and I think it is pretty fair:
“If we’re talking pure throwing accuracy on the move, my personal historical list might look like:
I would always debate BigBen was top 5 in this category. Now add in tackle breaking ability and we know who would stand tall..
Fran Tarkenton was amazingly accurate when scrambling. He was the 1st QB I can remember that was like that.
It has been decades so I might be remembering wrong, but in my head he has to be top 5.
Ben was the best Overall QB I can recall. We were lucky to have him for 18 years. Still shocked the Browns past on him for a TE.
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I had followed Ben's entire last season at Miami all year and was begging for him to fall, Cleveland was the last obstacle. Never been happier about a draft pick.