Will there be value for us in round one?

[STEELERS R GR8]

I can already see the Steelers sprinting up to pick Todd Gurley in the first with 10 seconds off their clock

I may be one of the few but I would have no problem with it. Look what happened when Bell went down, don't get a vet get a young guy who won't cost much for the next 3-4 years and has tons of talent. I happen to like this years class of rb's and if Gordon or Gurley are our pick at 22 I am cool with that. Let me add before all the haters jump on me I would not pick either over the top 3-4 corners if they are there. Yes we have needs other then RB but talent over needs, jmo!

 

[Coach]

I can already see the Steelers sprinting up to pick Todd Gurley in the first with 10 seconds off their clock

Didn't he recently tear an ACL? Bell was fantastic last year, but keep in mind he worked hard, and lost 20 pounds. He needs to stay in that type of shape, and avoid legal issues. This seems like a long shot in round one.

 

[Steelerfan]

The only thing that's sure is that Tombert will **** it up.

 

[bermudasteel]

Zack,

I saw the youtube clips on Peters. He is a very good to great corner once the ball is in the air. Capable of jumping routes, contesting jump balls, or breaking up passed by knocking them away. His hands and ability to track a football are outstanding! His hands are glue. I'm not sure how quick / fast he is. The combine or pro days will tell us that. I did see him caught from behind with a lead. Just a hunch, he's not a sub 4.4 40 guy. More like 4.45-4.55. I'm not comfortable with 4.55 or slower to play corner on the outside.

Top 15? I'd learn toward yes. However his football character is very bad. If he has a rocky start as a rookie, he could implode. If the best pass rushers and Waynes are gone, Peters is a option.

The only thing I agree with is - "if the best pass rushers are gone"...Peters IS a blue chip DB/CB - if he's there - you take him...

I agree with this. I understand you can't give up the entire draft but you can target a guy and at least try to find a trade partner to move up.

What bothers me about the Steelers is that they have drafted exactly who they've wanted without moving up and their guys just aren't good enough.

Exactly...

We got Heath Miller at 30 10 years ago. There's always value if we draft the right player rounds 1-5, sometimes 6. Round 7 not so much.

Kelvin Beachum disagrees w/ this comment...

 

[Hines57]

Kelvin Beachum disagrees w/ this comment...

I'm sure Keisel would as well, but you're going to have more busts in round 7 then hits. Credit to the FO when they get a round 7 guy to stick.

 

[F83]

Just a thought if they don't like the remaining Db's collins, darby, williams left at 22 and if shelton gets by Chicago and Goldman is on the board if MT @ Butler see a quick way to go 4-3 perhaps, MT wanted to but Lebeau was always in the way maybe he does if eithier of these 2 NG's are on the board, as you can play Tuitt as a 3T DT and go get a RE like Clayborn or Jerry Hughes to play RE and can let Worlids go and use that money to submit a solid offer for Maxwell. We without Worlids would have the LB's for a 4-3
ROLB stuck with Jones use him like how miami used Porter MLB Timmons LOLB Shazier and a DL of LE Heyward NG Shelton/Goldman DT Tuitt/Mclendon RE Fa

just this tought came as Tuitt is very versatile and eithier Goldman or Shelton would make our front 4 very hard to run at.

 

[Vader]

I'm sure Keisel would as well, but you're going to have more busts in round 7 then hits. Credit to the FO when they get a round 7 guy to stick.

Just a semantical note but I wouldn't consider any 7th rounder a bust. Most don't work out but I see a bust as a higher pick that has more expectations.

 

[keslerclan]

IMO, there will always be a value in round 1 for us...somebody always slips through the cracks (why is the question). This draft is a bit different as their are some 'sure-fire' 1st round talents that may be passed over due to personal/injury concerns. Others may fall because not all FO's draft with a level measure to BPA vs Need.

It is always a crap-shoot BUT if we don't see someone who we feel can help us right away BUT represents a solid pick with future All-Pro talent, I think we take the pick. If not, the draft is pretty solid through round 3, IMO and we wouldn't hurt ourselves by getting some extra picks in this area either.

I always assume we take the best player available who fits our scheme and hope to fill needs through FA after the draft if necessary. I have our needs at OLB, CB, S and TE (in order of need).

If none of the need positions present themselves with value at #22, I trade down hoping to get more options UNLESS their is a Pro-Bowl talented player at ANY other position available.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I may be one of the few but I would have no problem with it. Look what happened when Bell went down, don't get a vet get a young guy who won't cost much for the next 3-4 years and has tons of talent. I happen to like this years class of rb's and if Gordon or Gurley are our pick at 22 I am cool with that. Let me add before all the haters jump on me I would not pick either over the top 3-4 corners if they are there. Yes we have needs other then RB but talent over needs, jmo!

I'd be fine with it to, but I'm a die hard GA Bulldog fan. Was just poking at how we seem to insta-pick when we get on the clock and then take a player with injury questions or position of "lesser need". I think the value will probably be in trading back unless someone falls.

At least Gurley could get AB off of returns and solve the depth issue at RB.

Totally agree on the rook over vet idea.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Didn't he recently tear an ACL? Bell was fantastic last year, but keep in mind he worked hard, and lost 20 pounds. He needs to stay in that type of shape, and avoid legal issues. This seems like a long shot in round one.

Sure did, or he'd be top 10

 

[freak]

The only thing that's sure is that Tombert will **** it up.

90%.....,,,,

 

[freak]

cameron erving lael collins andrus peat erck flowers ..ot
trae waines marcus peters ..cb
landon collins ss
as a pass rusher i will wait what is there in rd 2 i like mauldin and kihaka

 

[TWEEK1106]

Will there be value? Yes. Will our FO be able to identify it.........now that is the question.

 

[Super Dave]

Coach doesnt like Peters
many moons ago, Coach didnt like another secondary player whose head was too large.

I say we draft Peters.

Many moons ago there was a TE named Peters who Coach liked for a LT........he wanted the Stillers to draft him, ala Larry Brown. He went undrafted and most everyone laughed and laughed.

Jason Peters has played in 7 pro bowls and been named 1st team all pro 3 times, 2nd team all pro 3 times.

 

[Superman]

Many moons ago there was a TE named Peters who Coach liked for a LT........he wanted the Stillers to draft him, ala Larry Brown. He went undrafted and most everyone laughed and laughed.

Jason Peters has played in 7 pro bowls and been named 1st team all pro 3 times, 2nd team all pro 3 times.

yes, but had we listened to Coach and drafted only whom he wanted, we'd have not had MonsterHead Polamalu.
so, there is that.

 

[F83]

22 pick pool
cb Waynes,Peters, Carter, PJ Williams Darby
NT Goldman NT Shelton
OLB Harold Dupree

S wait till mid rounds Holliman Harris, Rowe Drummond

I see Collins as a big swing aND MISS

 

[Super Dave]

yes, but had we listened to Coach and drafted only whom he wanted, we'd have not had MonsterHead Polamalu.
so, there is that.

Yes.....and you had already mentioned that, which is why I provided the Peters story for balance.

 

[F83]

with Beasley showing up at 247 up from 235 from what he finished at Clemson and running a 4.56 he could be a good op pick at 22, drawing comparisons to Robert Mathis and had he his whole career has been a beast off the edge whether it has been 3-4 or as a LOLB. We could start him right him right away and let Worlids walk retain both Harrison and Moats have Beasley and Moats split the duties when whey are in base 3-4 at the weak side.
Letting this happen gives us more than enough money to load up on D i.e if a average CB like Cortez is worth 5 mill 25 mill hometown discount, the 2nd best CB after Revis is worth probebly 7 mill we could offer Maxwell 5 years 33 million 9 mill SB, sign Adrian Clayborn 2 years 2.5 mill, DE Jerry Hughes 4 years 11 mill, RB Bilal Powell 3 years 7 mill, Extend Ben 6 years 100 million 25 million gauranteed. Sign eithier Will Allen back for 1 last time or go after Bills S Searcy on a mid deal

 

[freak]

beasley is a top ten pick now

 

[F83]

Shelton looks top 10 too now as well, Malcom Brown by some reporters at the combine and scouts said he looked like Hampton, he could be a solid rnd 2, if we let Worlids go we take if Waynes falls to 22 if not which CB has the best workout that Butler Lake @ MT can see could start or push hard to, there are 3 guys, both of the FSU CB's (Robinson, Darby) @ Peters.
Sheard at cost efficient cost can replace Worlids and let us focus pick 22 on a immediate need i.e a shutdown NT, a long term CB who can start soon, worlids is going to cost anywhere from 5.75 that is hometown discount- 7 mill Sheard I think can be had in the 3.5-4.5 range, if so Sheard is more logical as we can then be realistic bidders for Maxwell.
If we can get Maxwell then we can at 22 take the BPA it could be Dupree, Harold or the big TE.

options with letting Worlids go sign Maxwell
22 OLB Harold/ Dupree
rnd 2 Olumu
3 SS Holliman
4 NT

option 2
sign OLB/DE Sheard DE/OLB Clayborn SS Rolle
round 1 trade up 1,3 to above Miami and take Trai Waynes he starts from day 1 or you bring back McCain back at 2 years 2.8 mill and he opens as default starter until Waynes unseats him until Waynes plays slot.
rnd 2 DT Malcom Brown
rnd 3 S Anthony Harris
rnd 4 NT

 

[Hines57]

So Trae Waynes won't be happening at 1.22. Probably gonna be a DE/OLB at our spot in round 1. We're gonna have to sign a bargain DB in UFA prior to the draft so we aren't locked in and hope we can connect on a round 2-3 player who can play in our nickel & dime packages.

 

[freak]

to me the option are these in these order
dupree
peters
maxx williams
harold
pj williams

 

[ZACKB]

Too high for Williams and Harold. If Peters checks out, he is my guy. Dupree is pretty raw as well. Collins, the LSU corner has looked good. I would consider trading down and then taking Collins, PJ or Harold...especially if it netted me a 2nd rounder.

to me the option are these in these order
dupree
peters
maxx williams
harold
pj williams

 

[bermudasteel]

with Beasley showing up at 247 up from 235 from what he finished at Clemson and running a 4.56 he could be a good op pick at 22, drawing comparisons to Robert Mathis and had he his whole career has been a beast off the edge whether it has been 3-4 or as a LOLB. We could start him right him right away and let Worlids walk retain both Harrison and Moats have Beasley and Moats split the duties when whey are in base 3-4 at the weak side.
Letting this happen gives us more than enough money to load up on D i.e if a average CB like Cortez is worth 5 mill 25 mill hometown discount, the 2nd best CB after Revis is worth probebly 7 mill we could offer Maxwell 5 years 33 million 9 mill SB, sign Adrian Clayborn 2 years 2.5 mill, DE Jerry Hughes 4 years 11 mill, RB Bilal Powell 3 years 7 mill, Extend Ben 6 years 100 million 25 million gauranteed. Sign eithier Will Allen back for 1 last time or go after Bills S Searcy on a mid deal

If Beasley is there at 1.22 - something has gone DRASTICALLY WRONG in the world. No way will he be there...

 

[bermudasteel]

So Trae Waynes won't be happening at 1.22. Probably gonna be a DE/OLB at our spot in round 1. We're gonna have to sign a bargain DB in UFA prior to the draft so we aren't locked in and hope we can connect on a round 2-3 player who can play in our nickel & dime packages.

It is depressing - BUT - who knows what we have in Shaq Robinson and B.W. Webb??? Maybe we're not as bad as it seems?