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Why is everyone assuming a franchise tag on Bell will cost $14.5 million?

Coryea said:
He still would've had 30 million instead of 26(if he signs the tag), and a 3rd year at an extra 10 or 12 million. For them to cut him after two seasons, his dead money hit would be around 18 million I think. 30 million signing bonus prorated over the 5 years would be 6 million per, with 3 years left if cut after the first two.

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Regardless of what it cost the team as a CAP hit, that 3rd season is outside of his control. He wanted control, bet on himself that he could survive the season unhurt and not suspended. He won that bet.

Now, he either gets tagged for 14m+ and gets a big contract from someone next year or he gets a big contract from us this year.

Last year it was, sign $30m guaranteed contract or get, basically, $26m+ guaranteed, THEN get a big contract. By NOT signing it, he will be making that $26m+ and be getting a big contract next year. That $3m wasn't enough incentive, clearly. He was willing to bet that $3m and he did. Maybe, a $35m guarantee would have done it, who knows.

The overall result, as we discussed int he other thread (rookies having such a good year, players like Barklay coming in) is that his next contract after the 2 franchise tags might not be as much has he expected. In that happens (i.e. he is not as unique, anymore), he lost.

So, let's look at a reasonable probability. He gets 12.5m from us last year and 14.2m this year (i dont know exact numbers, but these are close enough) and he gets offered a $50m/5 year contract in year 3 ($30 guaranteed for 2 years and $6.667m for the last 3 years) . Versus the $60m/5 year contract.

After year 1, he is down $23.5m (assuming he gets most of $30m up front and basically, nothing for annual salary). After year 2, he is down $3.2m. Year 3 he is up $16.7m. Over the 3 year period he is up over $3m.

The only wild card is injuries. He can make sure he stays clean and he can make sure he continues to perform at a top level. The next 3-4 years are key, because those are the most likely that he will be able to collect. Over the next 3 years he is up over $16m and over the next 4 he is up over $6.5m. And that is with a fairly low contract in year 3.
 
Coryea said:
Peterson's contract doesn't exist anymore, so quit bringing it up.
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ACTUALLY, Peterson's contract is the MAIN REASON Bell played under the $12.6m mark last year, and will make $14+ this year if tagged again. We tagged him when Peterson was still on the books with the Vikes. Peterson's contract actually does still exist, and is still a part of this debate. But keep downplaying it, and pretending that somehow Freeman's deal is the one that Bell should be closer to.

Coryea said:
Like I said, 30 million is 12 million more guaranteed than the #2 RB and puts him around top 5 in guaranteed wr money

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Best RB in the NFL, second best WR on his own team that sports the BEST WR in the NFL... yeah, **** Bell for asking for more money than a one dimensional guy like Freeman...
 
insaniti said:
ACTUALLY, Peterson's contract is the MAIN REASON Bell played under the $12.6m mark last year, and will make $14+ this year if tagged again. We tagged him when Peterson was still on the books with the Vikes. Peterson's contract actually does still exist, and is still a part of this debate. But keep downplaying it, and pretending that somehow Freeman's deal is the one that Bell should be closer to.



Best RB in the NFL, second best WR on his own team that sports the BEST WR in the NFL... yeah, **** Bell for asking for more money than a one dimensional guy like Freeman...
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Do you read or just get all ******* pissed and rant? Find me one post complaining that Bell wants more than Freeman?

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Coryea said:
Do you read or just get all ******* pissed and rant? Find me one post complaining that Bell wants more than Freeman?

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Are you turning into coach or are you having trouble reading? Call me out for something I didn't say, but ignore all the things I said that prove my arguments have merit, that is a coach thing to do.

You implied that Peterson's contract doesn't exist and therefore should not be brought up, yet continue to use Freeman's as the measuring stick for what Bell's "market value" should be. I have shown several times that Bell asking for double what Freeman makes is actually his market value, I have also shown that Peterson's contract does indeed still matter and count towards this situation.

So who's the one all ******* pissed and ranting?
 
insaniti said:
Are you turning into coach or are you having trouble reading? Call me out for something I didn't say, but ignore all the things I said that prove my arguments have merit, that is a coach thing to do.

You implied that Peterson's contract doesn't exist and therefore should not be brought up, yet continue to use Freeman's as the measuring stick for what Bell's "market value" should be. I have shown several times that Bell asking for double what Freeman makes is actually his market value, I have also shown that Peterson's contract does indeed still matter and count towards this situation.

So who's the one all ******* pissed and ranting?
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I never said Freeman's contract is the measuring stick, I bring it up because he's the second highest paid RB right now.
Just because he's the 2nd leading wr on our team doesn't mean he deserves wr money.

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Coryea said:
I never said Freeman's contract is the measuring stick, I bring it up because he's the second highest paid RB right now.
Just because he's the 2nd leading wr on our team doesn't mean he deserves wr money.

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Why doesnt he deserve it?? Even after a year where he asked for it the Steelers could have said we can nip this arguement in the bud. We arent going to use him as much in the passing game. We arent going to line him up at WR. Cant ask for it if you arent doing it. Did that happen? Even after all the talk here on this board well Bryant is back his usage in the pass game will go down. No way he will be the second leading reciever now. Well he was and the Steelers even after his want to get WR money too continued to use him that way. So again why doesnt he deserve it??
 
antdrewjosh said:
Why doesnt he deserve it?? Even after a year where he asked for it the Steelers could have said we can nip this arguement in the bud. We arent going to use him as much in the passing game. We arent going to line him up at WR. Cant ask for it if you arent doing it. Did that happen? Even after all the talk here on this board well Bryant is back his usage in the pass game will go down. No way he will be the second leading reciever now. Well he was and the Steelers even after his want to get WR money too continued to use him that way. So again why doesnt he deserve it??
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The majority of his catches come out of the backfield, not when he's lined up as a wr.
Again they offered him a contract that would make him the highest paid RB by a mile, and would've put him in the top 10 wrs as well. Tell me how is that not fair to him?

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Coryea said:
The majority of his catches come out of the backfield, not when he's lined up as a wr.
Again they offered him a contract that would make him the highest paid RB by a mile, and would've put him in the top 10 wrs as well. Tell me how is that not fair to him?

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A catch is a catch. And he had 85 of them. Also him lining up at WR which he does often has an affect on defenses or they wouldnt do it. Whats fair to you or me doesnt matter. Only matters whats he believes is fair. And like Ark said 3 million dollars obviously wasnt enough.
 
antdrewjosh said:
A catch is a catch. And he had 85 of them. Also him lining up at WR which he does often has an affect on defenses or they wouldnt do it. Whats fair to you or me doesnt matter. Only matters whats he believes is fair. And like Ark said 3 million dollars obviously wasnt enough.
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So I guess what the team thinks doesn't matter then? They obviously thought it was fair. If Ben comes out and starts saying I want 50% more than Garappolo and Stafford because I've accomplished way more than them, this board would go insane bitching about him.

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Coryea said:
So I guess what the team thinks doesn't matter then? They obviously thought it was fair. If Ben comes out and starts saying I want 50% more than Garappolo and Stafford because I've accomplished way more than them, this board would go insane bitching about him.

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Who said that?? It does matter thats why he isnt signed. I have no problem with the Steelers doing whats best for them. Just like he should do whats best for him. I just dont agree with the Bell is greedy or diminishing what he is doing. Frankly its remarkable and should be acknowledged.

As far as Ben if he did that i would have an issue because he has made alot of money over his career. But i wouldnt knock his right to do it. Like i said 179 million vs Bells 16 million. So who should leave a little for his teamates??
 
Coryea said:
The majority of his catches come out of the backfield, not when he's lined up as a wr.
Again they offered him a contract that would make him the highest paid RB by a mile, and would've put him in the top 10 wrs as well. Tell me how is that not fair to him?

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This is as solid of an argument that I've seen on Bell's pay structure. In this instance, he was getting WR money, not RB money.
 
I've been wondering how Bell ends up being the highest paid RB when the franchise tag means you get paid the average of the top five highest-paid players at the position?
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I've been wondering how Bell ends up being the highest paid RB when the franchise tag means you get paid the average of the top five highest-paid players at the position?
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When he was tagged last year, Adrian Peterson's ridiculous contract was still on the books, so now if they tag him again, it just goes up 20% i think of what his tag was last season.

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Coryea said:
When he was tagged last year, Adrian Peterson's ridiculous contract was still on the books, so now if they tag him again, it just goes up 20% i think of what his tag was last season.
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Okay.
 
Coach said:
I found this poll on line.

Should the Steelers trade Bell in an attempt to gain more draft picks and solve salary cap issues?

80%
Yes
(4126 votes)

20%
No
(1042 votes)


5168 votes total


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I would. Not just his salary but even though I think he knows to stay away from the chronic I don't like his injury history. I think he's still franchised regardless and another team has to give up a first round pick and only two teams, Browns and Raiders, are dumb enough to do that.
 
Cope said:
This is as solid of an argument that I've seen on Bell's pay structure. In this instance, he was getting WR money, not RB money.
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And if someone can explain to me, why a RB gets paid so much less than a WR that'd be great. Yeah, you have certain teams that do the RB by committee kind of thing, but for a true workhorse RB, that rarely is off the field, why SHOULDN'T he make more than a WR.

Lets dive into this a little bit more.

LeVeon Bell lead the league in rushing attempts with 321 attempts, he also logged 107 targets. That's 428 plays where he was the focal point.

Antonio Brown, was second in the league in targets at 162, he had 21 punt returns (11 actual returns 10 fair catches), and no rushing attempts. That's 183 plays where he was the focal point. That's 42%, or less than HALF of the plays Bell was involved in.

So forget what the "league market value" for a RB is right now, because it's flat out wrong. And that's what Bell is doing. He's correcting a wrong. There is no reason what so ever that Bell shouldn't make something close to what Antonio Brown makes. And this is coming from one of the biggest Antonio Brown fans out there. I completely understand what he brings to the table, the coverages he pulls away from other players. The same type of attention that LeVeon Bell brings as well. In fact, when Brown went down in the NE game, Bell performed just as well as he did when Brown was available. And he became EVEN MORE of a focal point for the offense.

Ben is the number one player on offense. If he goes down, we all know we are screwed. Bell and Brown are 1a and 1b. Why should Bell, who touches the ball even more than Brown does, arguably has more impact on a game (arguably) than Brown, NOT make what Brown is making? Because the "market value" for RB has been driven down by a league that uses and spits out RB's like candy. A league that uses multiple backs to try and mimic everything that Bell brings to the table in just himself?

Sorry, reset the market Bell. Do what you gotta do. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bell making top ten WR money, he brings more to the table, touches the ball more than double than ALL WR's including our very own, historic record setting, best WR in the game Antonio Brown.
 
And you're right Insaniti. The reason why RBs don't get paid is they RARELY get a 3rd contract. WRs get much less actual touches, so they have a much higher chance of earning a 3rd contract than RBs. That's where the money is. In that 3rd contract. By that point RBs are usually out of the league from overuse.
 
Cope said:
And you're right Insaniti. The reason why RBs don't get paid is they RARELY get a 3rd contract. WRs get much less actual touches, so they have a much higher chance of earning a 3rd contract than RBs. That's where the money is. In that 3rd contract. By that point RBs are usually out of the league from overuse.
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I would venture to guess our RB will fall under that "no 3rd contract" syndrone. He is being used at an alarming pace and I just don't think he will hold up, he has already had leg issues. Those number of "game already decided but still run his wheels off touches" all add up and his career will be that much shorter. I want Bell but the cost ratio may be to much to afford so either way I'm ready for the decision. I hope he doesn't hold them ransom, signs right away and if so finds a trade he wants, otherwise just play hard.




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Technically a 2nd tag this year, would be a 3rd contract, and is the biggest reason why he's making way more than the rest of the RBs in the league per year.
 
RBs are paid less, not that I agree with it, is because they take a beating, have a higher chance of getting hurt, this a big chance of having dead money tied to them. This is still a business, and money talks. The market for RBs is what it is, and Bell is a RB. He could not line up as a wr vs DBs and get 80 catches.
The leading rusher this year had 1327 yards, there were 4 or 5 wr's that had more receiving yards than that, so WRs make bigger plays in a passing league.

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my hope is that we reach a long-term deal.
my head tells me that we don't reach a long-term deal and Bell gets FT'd.
my desire if he doesn't get a long-term deal is to let him walk and bolster your defense in FA.
my dream is to FT him and trade him for picks. again, that's a dream.
 
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