Who is going to be the right tackle to start the season?

[slashsteel]

Fielder is expected to start at LG.

fwiw, dk said in an article today he thinks banner will start rt. certainly the biggest question for camp it seems.

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Tomlin per reports today said that it will be a fair battle but not necessarily an even snap count. So they might be leaning one way early we just won't know which way until we see who is getting the heavier workload.

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[Ike Kelly]

To the trolls, this is a football question, and debate so go **** yourself. The board itself has been quiet. When a good topic come up, try adding to it.


Our OL is in the process of going from Good to suspect, which started about the time Munchak left Tomlin to coach elsewhere.


RT is a position you don't screw around with. Last camp Fieler beat out Chuks in 2 weeks. The gap was that wide. Chucks doesn't get much push in the running game ( a problem for the Steelers ) nor is he agile. He doens't stand out with size either.


Banner did well in a limited role, but he has been cut from many teams, and IMO needs to watch his weight as he would be the slowest footed among the starting NFL tackles. Speed rushers will eat him alive if he starts and once-beaten, defensive coaches will zero in on that weakness.


Why the Steelers want Feiler, a solid right tackle in his prime to move to guard when the Steelers signed Wisniewski and drafted a guard in round four is something that make little sense.


They must think Feiler can help the interior rushing game, and either Chucks or Banner can be nearly as good at RT. Too bad they can't simulate that in pre-season games to see how it work out.


Ya want a solution? Okay. On obvious running downs, let Banner play Right tackle and move Feiler to Guard and rotate Wisniewski out. On obvious passing down, let the best past protecting tackle play ( Feiler ). Best of both worlds. Feiler starts at RT. We aren't the sharpest team when it comes to situational football, and that's the way the game is going. Keep an eye on Watt, I want to see he if can root out / blow people up at FB.


As for Fieler, I don't think he likes this move. He's a solid right tackle in his prime about to enter free agency, and he will be paid more at Right Tackle not Guard. The Steelers who are up against the cap in 2021 with a too many unrestricted free agents can afford him. So either Banner or Chucks needs to pan out, or were are effed.

Do you even read your comments before posting them? You start the thread with a one sentence question. No elaboration in the post on the question you asked. Yet, now you whine about some of the responses and NOW give your opinion, albeit a bit ludicrous and all over the place.

Munch didn’t return because he had an offer to coach close to his daughter and grandchildren. Something he (and his wife) wanted to do. As for the OL performance last year......hard to judge when your starting QB goes out in game 2, and then your backup 4 games later. Any D Coord will dare the pass and load the box, thus limiting the play calling.

Your comments on what player and as to what position they fit, makes about as much sense as the rotating OL reasoning. We aren’t in the 1950s anymore where substituting guards sent in the plays to the QB.


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[Superman]

amazes me that Cooch wants to bag on Banner for being on a few teams prior to coming here, but was also one of the guys who was giddy about Deebo's breakout.
Hypocrisy is on the phone for you, Cooch, Line 1.

 

[Coach]

Saying this over and over again does not make it true.
Any offensive line woes are easily chalked up to aging Pouncy, new starting right tackle in feiler who was supposed to be a guard, Ramone fosters aging and retirement, no passing game to speak of in 2019 sans ben.

Sounds like you agree with me. By the ya is Big Al leaves, who the heck on the roster can play left tackle? You tell me.


Banners weight and weight loss has already been well documented. "needs to watch his weight as he would be the slowest footed among the starting NFL Tackles" wow. You actually choose those words don't you. I mean really carefully. You didn't really say anything here. Banner has lost weight and seems to be on a better track than he was his first few years. Which I think will attribute to him winning the starting role. But who knows.

Banner has been cut often. He's big and slow.

Well, the rookie Dotson isn't going to start this year, Obviously. They have an experienced lineman in wisnewski that can play guard or center if something should happen to Pouncy. I believe they brought him in to be the interior swing back up.

Why move Feiler if Wisenewki was singed to play guard? Dotson isn't the answer. He's got limited movement skills and had not pro day nor was he invited to the combine


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[Hines57]

amazes me that Cooch wants to bag on Banner for being on a few teams prior to coming here, but was also one of the guys who was giddy about Deebo's breakout.
Hypocrisy is on the phone for you, Cooch, Line 1.

he must have cell phone coverage like MoPed

 

[Steelworth]

Hypocrisy is on the phone for you, Cooch, Line 1.

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[Coach]

Do you even read your comments before posting them? You start the thread with a one sentence question. No elaboration in the post on the question you asked. Yet, now you whine about some of the responses and NOW give your opinion, albeit a bit ludicrous and all over the place.

Munch didn’t return because he had an offer to coach close to his daughter and grandchildren. Something he (and his wife) wanted to do. As for the OL performance last year......hard to judge when your starting QB goes out in game 2, and then your backup 4 games later. Any D Coord will dare the pass and load the box, thus limiting the play calling.

Your comments on what player and as to what position they fit, makes about as much sense as the rotating OL reasoning. We aren’t in the 1950s anymore where substituting guards sent in the plays to the QB.


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The question was fine.
[h=1]Who is going to be the right tackle to start the season?[/h]
You have no answer. If you have been paying attention the Steelers did rotate in Banner as an extra TE/block quite a bit last season with success. DUH. Munch did not return because he didn't want to be here. Perhaps the gold jacket theory caused tension. Ben has praised coach Munchak in the past saying he's has the credibility, which to sensitive ears could be a swipe at Tomlin.

If it's an obvious pass play, I want the best pass blocker in there. If it's an obvious running play, that same thing. I'd leave Feiler where he is. Chucks who I did not like as a draft pick looks very mediocre in there. Banner can impress as a run blocker. as a tackle out on an island, I'm telling ya speed rushers will eat him alive. Tackle is a position teams fight like heck not to lose in free agency. Banner has been cut by the Colts, Browns and Panthers. In other words he was not one of there 3-4 best tackles, nor did he show upside to develop.

 

[Coach]

amazes me that Cooch wants to bag on Banner for being on a few teams prior to coming here, but was also one of the guys who was giddy about Deebo's breakout.
Hypocrisy is on the phone for you, Cooch, Line 1.

I was one who was upset when Deebo was cut. You're memory is like Joe Biden's.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I would say you should actually have a pretty good idea if Banner or Okorafor are ready and who is better. They go up against probably top five edge rusher every day in practice. If you can do ok vs. Watt you can start.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

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moving feiler because they intended to. Banner or chuks are apparently ready to play RT. Wisnewski brought in to play the back up to pouncy or at guard. Dotson is more of a project to develop.

the rest of what you wrote is you grasping .

 

[SteelerSask2]

moving feiler because they intended to. Banner or chuks are apparently ready to play RT. Wisnewski brought in to play the back up to pouncy or at guard. Dotson is more of a project to develop.

the rest of what you wrote is you grasping .

I would imagine they have a plan A, B and possibly C here. It is tough without preseason, but like I said at least they go against quality guys on a daily basis. If they get to the games and the stage is too big they can flip to Feiler at Tackle and Weisnewski at guard quickly. Banner gets the Love, but i'm gonna bet on Chuks. He has started more games and was a top 100 pick. I really wish Munch was coaching this unit. I'd feel a lot better about their development and his eye on who should play. If I ran an NFL team I would pay premium for position coaches. Tomlin gets the praise and the criticism and he makes the most important final decisions. However, most in game decisions are black and white. Great position coaches make your team and often set the culture quietly.

 

[Stryker]

Wis is a vet backup and the best backup center we've had in a long time. He is starter capable and more solid than any of the young guys we mold for the swing IOL role. He's also a safety net if we have a severe injury to any of the interior 3 linemen.

We are THICK at tackle talent. Coach doesn't read up on camp performances from last year, but Chukes and Banner have been killing it. They are both starter capable in this league. Chucks was the one that started last year when Feiler started at G for Foster and he did a good job. Next year they should be our starting bookend tackles.

Banner is a competitor and a fighter, and he's ENORMOUS!! You can't teach size like that. I really think that paired with Chuke's enormous wingspan, is the reason why they didn't need Feiler at T anymore. Steelers have been doing a great job of rotating and developing talent across the line, and that is continuing in the wake of Munch, and his protege Coach Sweet Feet, is more than up to the task in continuing his legacy here.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I agree with most here Cope, but the part about Sweet Feet. Now everything that happened on offense is predicated by the QB play. So it is somewhat unfair, but for example, I thought Al took a step back. Pouncey won unearned honors and the line as a whole just wasn't as good. Munch was the only coach on the staff that I believe could fix something with technique and scheme. Every other unit on this team only gets better with talent infusion. In contrast, the Pats oline might look like hot garbage week 1-5, but will become unnoticeable by mid season. That is coaching.

 

[Stryker]

I agree with most here Cope, but the part about Sweet Feet. Now everything that happened on offense is predicated by the QB play. So it is somewhat unfair, but for example, I thought Al took a step back. Pouncey won unearned honors and the line as a whole just wasn't as good. Munch was the only coach on the staff that I believe could fix something with technique and scheme. Every other unit on this team only gets better with talent infusion. In contrast, the Pats oline might look like hot garbage week 1-5, but will become unnoticeable by mid season. That is coaching.

That is fair, I was speaking more to developing the talent we have below the starters. I also thought Foster had a bad year, so it was clear to see he wan't going to be brought back.

 

[SteelerSask2]

That is fair, I was speaking more to developing the talent we have below the starters. I also thought Foster had a bad year, so it was clear to see he wan't going to be brought back.

Agreed. I'm gonna go Missouri with Sarrett. I wanna see him put together a line that gels and plays well. Asked and Answered pretty much dealt with it here via Decastro today:

Q. Did you guys notice a difference without Mike Munchak and his voice in the run game?
DECASTRO: Munch [Mike Munchak] was great. You can't really sugarcoat it. He was a great coach, smart. I just think the injuries really took a toll. Losing a quarterback like Ben [Roethlisberger], you lose a guy who allows you to have a passing game that really opens up the run. Yeah, maybe there's a factor of Munch. He's one of a kind. I'll vouch for him on that. We had a lot of factors going last year being the disaster it was on our side of the ball.

Q. Other than the injuries, what are other things you think you need to get back to in order to improve the run game?
DECASTRO: You guys love talking about the running game like it's the starting point of the offense. I just always try to tell you guys: It's a combination. You can't have a good running game without a good passing game, without an honest, balanced offense. If they can just stack the box and run a safety down and you can't throw over the top or you can't keep them honest, then it's easier to stop the run. We just weren't good at all.

Now while that certainly does not put the blame on Sarrett, it isn't exactly a ringing endorsement either

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

the question was presented as a softball to give love to Munchak. Just my opinion.

 

[SteelerSask2]

the question was presented as a softball to give love to Munchak. Just my opinion.

I don't know. I saw Munchak take a UFA player who was paying to go to regional combines and in one year he made him a starter. He took a line that was perennially bitched about and made them a top 5 unit. He was able to do that with a 4th round Gerald Hawkins and a 3rd round Chuks Okorafor which he barely coached. So tell me one other position coach in the Tomlin era with that success. They should have gave Munchak a title promotion and more cash. But my guess is that the got tired of the Tomlin show. (opinion)

 

[slashsteel]

I don't know. I saw Munchak take a UFA player who was paying to go to regional combines and in one year he made him a starter. He took a line that was perennially bitched about and made them a top 5 unit. He was able to do that with a 4th round Gerald Hawkins and a 3rd round Chuks Okorafor which he barely coached. So tell me one other position coach in the Tomlin era with that success. They should have gave Munchak a title promotion and more cash. But my guess is that the got tired of the Tomlin show. (opinion)

Reports were it was a move to be closer to family.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Reports were it was a move to be closer to family.

Sure bit no coach is gonna say I'm leaving cause this is a **** show. That was clearly the parting words of Jesse James who seemed like a pretty solid dude.

 

[Ike Kelly]

The question was fine.
[h=1]Who is going to be the right tackle to start the season?[/h]
You have no answer. If you have been paying attention the Steelers did rotate in Banner as an extra TE/block quite a bit last season with success. DUH. Munch did not return because he didn't want to be here. Perhaps the gold jacket theory caused tension. Ben has praised coach Munchak in the past saying he's has the credibility, which to sensitive ears could be a swipe at Tomlin.

If it's an obvious pass play, I want the best pass blocker in there. If it's an obvious running play, that same thing. I'd leave Feiler where he is. Chucks who I did not like as a draft pick looks very mediocre in there. Banner can impress as a run blocker. as a tackle out on an island, I'm telling ya speed rushers will eat him alive. Tackle is a position teams fight like heck not to lose in free agency. Banner has been cut by the Colts, Browns and Panthers. In other words he was not one of there 3-4 best tackles, nor did he show upside to develop.

If you had any reading comprehension you would realize there was no disagreement with the question, only that in your initial post you failed to include or elaborate or an answer to your question. Dumb ***.

I commented on this topic and offered my view on the OL in another thread. It’s Banner/Okafor’s job to lose at RT in 2020, with one being the swing tackle this year and then both being starters in 2021.

Your opinions don’t match the actual reports coming out of camp from writers and coaches. Okafor in his start last year against LA was impressive even by PFF standards....the rag you often preach with. Banner will get his chance to validate his weight loss/kick slide has improved his ability to be the starter. Being the eligible 6th OL was match up winner for him in 2019. 2020 will be the acid test for him. BTW, Banner was a 4th rd pick by the Colts, and released in Sept of his rookie season. He was claimed on waivers by CLE played ST’s was then waived/picked up, waived again and signs by the Steelers all in a 6 month 2018 offseason span. Common for players who aren’t multi millionaire starters and are roster builders.

You have no proof to back up your opinion about Munch. NONE. He has responded and practically every local writer covering the team has stated the following: Munch’s contract expired. When they offered to resign him he also had other offers of which included Denver. He and his wife had been wanting to be closer to his daughter and grandchildren late in his coaching career, and being his daughter lived in Colorado, Denver was the obvious choice. Not money, drama, or this fictional “gold jacket theory” you are spewing. Just more agenda pushing BS regarding your hate of all things Tomlin and to make you feel like you know something others don’t.

I was pointing out you provided nothing to your own question submission, and you only did after others apparently didn’t follow your asinine opinion (which you never provided in the original post). Again, get a remedial course on reading comprehension, or just stick to asking questions and not replying to them.




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[Steelworth]

Reports were it was a move to be closer to family.

I'll go there I guess. While this could absolutely be the case, why didn't Munchak just move there earlier then? From everything I remember, his family lived there for quite a while. If that's not accurate, someone please correct me on it.

I think while Munchak loved his players, there was a little something going on behind the curtains that soured him a bit. I can't cite anything concrete in particular, but I just got that impression (yeah, call me Coach Jr.). Hear me out though. You've got a Hall of Fame former player and HC that players absolutely love--up against a former college WR, that by all accounts, the players also seem to love.

There may have been a little friction there and going by some of Tomlin's past decisions and ego (from my point of view, settle down), there may have been a little disagreement on who was (or potentially) captain of the ship.

Don't hate me Steeler Nation for posing a potential scenario.

 

[Steelworth]

And this is from, with all of his warts, a Tomlin believer (I can't rightfully say fan anymore with all of the ****-ups that haven't been corrected). You'll probably ask why I still believe then; it's because I believe Tomlin is a wise enough guy to eventually realize his weaknesses.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

if I wasn't from either city, I mean the people in Pittsburgh are great. But If I had my druthers,, I would go to Denver. Mountains and bears and skiing and idk.. Add the grand kids.. Im gone. Too easy.

 

[SteveA]

Reading this thread makes me realize how important preseason is...

Coach clearly is off because he simply isn't getting enough reps...If you aren't gettting on the field Coach, when you do, you better make it count. There is no garbage time here in The Nation.

And all of you piling on Coach are not anywhere close to being ready for the start of the season...Your posts are ineffective & lackluster to say the least. It's embarrasing to need to point out to all of you that most of these potshots @ Coach are missing as badly as Artie Burns trying to make a tackle...

Slash, normally you would've taken Cooch down cleanly, but you needed several shots. What the hell is that all about? I need you to stay focused, & keep your head in the damn game...You've done it before, you can do it again...PittsburghKid, you need to really run cleaner routes. If you are a troll as you have been accused, it may be time for you to pick a side. This half-stepping it ain't cutting it. And your stutter step really needs work....Drink? You left your man Coach standing...Please finish off the damn tackle...At the very least give us a solid forearm shiver...You want the helmet, earn the helmet. I got faith in you Drink...And talk about invisible? Steelworth, your post was invisible. Look man when you are in the game, we need you in the game. Stop taking plays off !!! And Superman? Are you gonna come as Superman or Clark Kent? That has always been your Kryptonite. Don't treat Coach like he's freaking Lex Luther...And leave Lois Lane alone. Women weaken legs...

BlacknGold, Cope & Ike are the only ones giving us the type of effort we need here. Their posts were concise, pinpoint accurate, & more importantly game-ending. Cope was in mid -season form. Did you see how in mid-sentence of his thesis he threw in the subtle left handed jab to the juggler for Coach not being properly prepared? Epic...

The rest of Ya'll better get your **** together...