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whiny ***** thread

interesting debate let us poll it and see what the Steeler Nation opinion?
Absolutely. But my result would never come up. No one here is neutral about anything connected to this team. I meant unattached, non- passionate, non connected people.
 
My whinny ***** is the coordinators man talk about shittie play calling. I'm still not sold on butler ya I know hey and tuitts are out but the formations he call when they were being running over like a speed bump... I mean geez one down lineman in the red zone less that 2 minutes. If we cleaned out the coaching staff if we are one and out would not hurt my whinny ***** feelings one bit.
 
Absolutely. But my result would never come up. No one here is neutral about anything connected to this team. I meant unattached, non- passionate, non connected people.

so you want a poll about Steelers plays from non Steelers fans?

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What I'm saying is that we all come into it with our own biases. But if you remove that and take the passion out it looks like this:
Play one: In a time of total desperation against a hated foe a beligured QB throws up a prayer. The ball bounces off the defenders head (disputed this day by some) is scooped up by a future hall of famer who picked it off mere inches from the turf to gallop for an amazing astonishing TD. and then the next week they lost in the Semi Final game
Play 2: After dominating most of the game the team is suddenly behind with one possible drive remaining. After surviving a heart stopping third down play early in the drive they find themselves deep in the opponents territory with only two plays before having to kick a game tying field goal and going into overtime. The QB is flushed and throws for the smallest of windows. The receiver makes an amazing catch and deftly taps his feet down to win an unprecedented 6th title for the franchise.
 
Your personal attachment to the play and it's significance to you is indisputable. Its your life and its history. I'm glad you say that you learned its significance later in life because my recollection of being 5 or 6 is Susan C. saying she wanted to marry me in Kindergarten and my Evel Knievel wind up ramp jump set.
Look, you put 10 neutral people in a room show them the plays and explain the relevance to the season. 9 or more are picking Roethlisberger to Holmes. I get you emotional attachment to the play and its impact on your region and childhood. I truly do.
On an emotional level, my sons life long love of the Steelers was cemented for all times with Roethlisberger to Holmes. My oldest is almost 15. Its not an easy time for the two of us. But one thing I know we will always have is the Steelers. We went to Pittsburgh and had a most memorable weekend in the win over the Jets in October. We went absolutely ape **** last night when Brown scored.
But hey this is a great argument to be able to have. If we were our age and cheered for the Browns what would we argue. What tore your heart out more: Elway's Drive or Maddox's comeback. Or Bungles fans: The year we almost beat the Steelers in the playoffs only to have Carson Palmer's knee wrecked.


Your memory doesn't serve you well with that one. Palmers knee was wrecked on the opening drive. The bungles under Kitna were leading at halftime 17-14...then were shut out the second half.
 
There is no franchise without the Immaculate Reception. The Steelers were the joke of the NFL from 1933-1972. 39 years. One playoff appearance in 39 years, and they lost to Philly in 1947. Imagine living your whole live, rooting for the steelers and in 39 years, you never saw your team win a playoff game. That's a lifetime for most. And there were only 8-10 freaking teams. This is how bad the Steelers were.

Now you have a 4th year coach earning his first playoff appearance, playing the higher seeded Oakland Raiders. Your 2nd year QB throws a ball on 4th and long to Frenchy Fuqua, who is wrecked by Jack Tatum. The normal Steelers, used to losing, would expect a ball hitting the turf, ending the game, but something odd happened. Rookie Franco Harris, who didn't give up on the play, caught the deflected ball off his shoe tops and out ran the Raiders down the sideline for the first ever playoff win in Steelers 39 year history. That play launched the dynasty changing the Steelers from a team of lovable losers, to hard-nosed winners.

Ben to Holmes was a great play. It wouldn't have happened if Holmes didn't drop the easier pass on the other side of the endzone the play before. Though I personally thought the Harrison pick 6 was the greatest play in that game, and possibly the greatest SB play off all time, I can't discredit the skill needed by holmes to twist his body while keeping his toes down, and Ben's ability to drop a ball over 3 defenders to a spot where only his receiver could make the play.

It's a great play, and I understand why kids would point to that play as their top play, but I doubt the NFL will ever do an hour long segment on that play, the way they filled up an hour describing the significance of the Immaculate reception. It's also why the NFL continually points to that play as the single greatest play in NFL history. I can't disagree with the league on that one.
 
I prefer to think the Steelers teams of the 70s achieved their greatness because of the 9 future hall of fame players led by a hall of fame coach. But I guess it could because of the Immaculate Reception. Though I guess you could trace all of the Pat's 15 years of success to the tuck rule game. The reason Roethlisberger to Holmes doesn't get its due is the same reason nothing Ben does is good enough. Cause it's Ben.
 
Look. the two pics by Ben were terrible decisions and throws by Ben not ****** play calling. If the play fake doesn't fool anyone there is no rule that he has to throw the ball to the other teams LB. The chicken **** game plan the first half, with them utilizing YMCA level corners was baffling though. The fact that Bell was gashing them would have opened up the passing game all day long. Ben had a fantastic fourth quarter. The same players on the field walking up and down the field the last fifteen minutes played the entire game. It should have never come to that. Bottom line is the defense did enough when the offense was struggling to keep it close. Once they quit crapping the bed the Rats were done. The Steelers have the best all around WR and RB in the game, get them the ball. They have a QB who can play as good as anyone, stop setting him up repeatedly in third and long by over forcing the run. Even the secondary offensive weapons are stepping up.

As for the Immaculate Reception debate? Anyone who thinks the team wasn't going on that run without that amazing fluke play is delusional. It is one of the most iconic plays in the history of the league, no doubt. They were completely loaded pre free agency though, it was happening, big play that day against the Raiders or not.
 
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It's a young world Justin.

Yeah, I forgot to put that a twitter poll may be skewed towards younger crowd. But it's even and according to sask he didn't believe it would be.
 
My whinny ***** is the coordinators man talk about shittie play calling. I'm still not sold on butler ya I know hey and tuitts are out but the formations he call when they were being running over like a speed bump... I mean geez one down lineman in the red zone less that 2 minutes. If we cleaned out the coaching staff if we are one and out would not hurt my whinny ***** feelings one bit.

can anyone translate this for me, please?
 
can anyone translate this for me, please?

His complaint is about the Coordinators. He feels that their game planning and play selection leaves more than a little to be desired. He's still unsure whether Butler is the man for the DC job. While recognizing that Heyward and Tuitt have been missed, he feels that Butler could put the players in better positions to succeed by calling better formations against the run. He cites an instance where he observed one DL in the redzone with Baltimore attempting to score with under two minutes left in the game. He would feel no remorse if the entire coaching staff were let go; contingent on his perception that we will be one and done in the playoffs.
 
Holy **** Buckeye, that was epic! Sorry, I've already given you karma today. You're going to have to settle for a like now.
 
Holy **** Buckeye, that was epic! Sorry, I've already given you karma today. You're going to have to settle for a like now.

I live in Appalachia ... I could translate that **** in my sleep. lol
 
Yeah, I forgot to put that a twitter poll may be skewed towards younger crowd. But it's even and according to sask he didn't believe it would be.
No it went approximately how I would expect. My point was that if you polled a bunch of people with no connection to it. Showed the highlight and explained the significance to the season. Everything else is yours or mine projection of the importance. It changed your community it was the most thrilling moment of my pro sports life.
 
Haha the plays were on NFLN for the greatest catches of all time. Immaculate Reception was 10. Ben to Holmes was 3. How is that for ironic timing.
 
No it went approximately how I would expect. My point was that if you polled a bunch of people with no connection to it. Showed the highlight and explained the significance to the season. Everything else is yours or mine projection of the importance. It changed your community it was the most thrilling moment of my pro sports life.

I have a site I will throw a poll up.


BTW in the grand scheme do we really give a **** what others think outside of Steeler Nation! lol
 
Or are you an old man, and as old men tend to do, remember the good old days as bigger than they were. Look it was a great play. Its Iconic. Maybe it helped launch a great team. I'm pretty sure with the overwhelming talent they had on that team it was pretty much destiny anyways.
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Well you are right. You would have to be from Pittsburgh and of a certain age. Because you are connecting a significance that goes beyond the play or the game. But from a slightly more neutral perspective, sorry it just doesn't stand the eye test.
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Seems pretty obvious to me. He's from Saskatchewan for Christ's sake. As us old men tend to do, we remember it as it was in da 'Burgh, not in some newspaper left in an outhouse in the woods....in another damn Country.

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People can revise history any way they choose, but they can't relive memories they never experienced.

**** abuncha Saskatchewian opinions.
 
Yeah, I forgot to put that a twitter poll may be skewed towards younger crowd. But it's even and according to sask he didn't believe it would be.

Probably 75% of the board wasn't even born in 1972. I was 12 and at least remember it happening. That's the other thing, we had to listen to the game on the radio. It was blacked out on TV in Pittsburgh because it was not a sellout. Hard to believe. Since then every home game since 1973 has sold out.
 
Seems pretty obvious to me. He's from Saskatchewan for Christ's sake. As us old men tend to do, we remember it as it was in da 'Burgh, not in some newspaper left in an outhouse in the woods....in another damn Country.

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People can revise history any way they choose, but they can't relive memories they never experienced.

**** abuncha Saskatchewian opinions.
First sign of someone losing an argument is throwing insults. All I'm gonna say is that if someone believes that the Immaculate Reception was required to magically send the Steelers to the heights they climbed in the 70's then I would say they severely underestimate the talent of those teams. And if someone believes that a football play somehow changed the fortunes and perception of their community, I would say they didn't have too much belief in the community in the first place.
 
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