whiny ***** thread

[awboatguy]

I fat fingered the "thanks" and can't turn it off. Ben is the man and has been off a bit, but he has a no quit attitude and when he is on, he is one of the best in the league.


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[SteelChip]

no I know who Sanford and Son is. just didn't know who you were directing it towards.

The big dummy is whoever didn't draft Big Ben, he has done us well.

I thought he was talkin' about Bradshaw, he is the original " big dummy " around this town...LOL

 

[SteelerSask2]

If you grew up in Pittsburgh when the Steelers became the Steelers as you think of them, with the Immaculate Reception and our first ever playoff victory, then you might have due respect for it. Sounds like a few trips to Pittsburgh hasn't done that for you.

Or are you an old man, and as old men tend to do, remember the good old days as bigger than they were. Look it was a great play. Its Iconic. Maybe it helped launch a great team. I'm pretty sure with the overwhelming talent they had on that team it was pretty much destiny anyways.
Roethlisberger to Holmes was great skill on both players part to win a CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Jeez they talk about Montana to Clark as "The Catch". The degree of difficulty of that play was dwarfed by this play. Every kid who has ever dreamed of playing football has enacted some version of what transpired February 1, 2009. Look I'm not being disrespectful to Franco and the Immaculate Reception or the town. But lets be a bit objective here. Really when you look at the magnitude of the moment Roethlisberger to Holmes is honestly unbeatable by any play. And you can damn well bet if that play had been authored by Brady to say Welker (instead of the mired of other ways the PAts have won championships, mostly by their kicker) that it would be the greatest play ever. Lead pipe lock on that.

 

[steel dino]

But what I think your missing Sask, and what I believe Davenport was trying to imply, was that the Immaculate Reception meant much more than just an unbelievable football play for Pittsburgh and its citizens..

Prior to this most famous play in NFL history....Being from Pittsburgh in the minds of outsiders from other American cities, was not seen as a favorable thing...in fact, Pittsburgh was the brunt of jokes by others, that didn't appreciate what our great city and its citizens was all about..

 

[slashsteel]

Ben didn't seem to have any problems hitting his receivers in stride until a majority of the weapons offensive lineup turned into undrafted free agents.

The achilles heel for the Steelers has been two things. (not in order of preference)

1 The pass rush
2 O skill players not getting open.

So I have to agree the O's struggles all point to Coates,Wheaton,Green and Bryant. The lack of.

 

[MTC]

Ben is the Steelers heart. While Bell is the motor. Ben had an off game in between, but rallied back strong. I think that's all that needs to be said right now

 

[SteelerSask2]

But what I think your missing Sask, and what I believe Davenport was trying to imply, was that the Immaculate Reception meant much more than just an unbelievable football play for Pittsburgh and its citizens..

Prior to this most famous play in NFL history....Being from Pittsburgh in the minds of outsiders from other American cities, was not seen as a favorable thing...in fact, Pittsburgh was the brunt of jokes by others, that didn't appreciate what our great city and its citizens was all about..

But then you are perceiving something about the city and others view of it and taking it beyond the play itself to some mythical sphere. Ask yourself this, do you honestly believe that the Steelers don't win 4 Super Bowls without that play. Really. I'm pretty sure the rest of the country would have respected the Steelers and Pittsburgh for the 4 Super Bowls with or without that Divisional Win followed by a conference loss.

 

[steel dino]

But then you are perceiving something about the city and others view of it and taking it beyond the play itself to some mythical sphere. Ask yourself this, do you honestly believe that the Steelers don't win 4 lowB repuSs without that play. Really. I'm pretty sure the rest of the country would have respected the Steelers and Pittsburgh for the 4 lowB repuSs with or without that Divisional Win followed by a conference loss.

Were not connecting Sask..and it is difficult to articulate through written words what that play did for us Pittsburgher's imagine and our own self esteem..

So, to try to sum it up....and in the words of the great Pens announcer Mike Lange.....with a slight twist..

You have to be "from" here...to believe it!

 

[SteelerSask2]

Were not connecting Sask..and it is difficult to articulate through written words what that play did for us Pittsburgher's imagine and our own self esteem..

So, to try to sum it up....and in the words of the great Pens announcer Mike Lange.....with a slight twist..

You have to be "from" here...to believe it!

Well you are right. You would have to be from Pittsburgh and of a certain age. Because you are connecting a significance that goes beyond the play or the game. But from a slightly more neutral perspective, sorry it just doesn't stand the eye test.
And answer one very simple question Dino. If Roethlisberger to Holmes was Brady to Welker (No Adam Vineteri or Malcom Butler) or Manning to Wayne, where would that play stand in the GREATER NFL HISTORY.

 

[slashsteel]

But then you are perceiving something about the city and others view of it and taking it beyond the play itself to some mythical sphere. Ask yourself this, do you honestly believe that the Steelers don't win 4 lowB repuSs without that play. Really. I'm pretty sure the rest of the country would have respected the Steelers and Pittsburgh for the 4 lowB repuSs with or without that Divisional Win followed by a conference loss.

of course not. But it is something to look back at and know it took place at a time is was needed for many of reasons.Pittsburgh in its life struggles embraced it. And when something is associated in a time of much needed, Anything that follows will be hard pressed to replace it. You can duplicate a great play, but hopefully never again the anguish and fear that consumed many at that time. And that play that team lifted many of peoples spirits. For one reason or another.

 

[steel dino]

Well you are right. You would have to be from Pittsburgh and of a certain age. Because you are connecting a significance that goes beyond the play or the game. But from a slightly more neutral perspective, sorry it just doesn't stand the eye test.
And answer one very simple question Dino. If Roethlisberger to Holmes was Brady to Welker (No Adam Vineteri or Malcom Butler) or Manning to Wayne, where would that play stand in the GREATER NFL HISTORY.

I understand your point...It would probably be seen and talked about more frequently and with greater reverence...

 

[SteelerSask2]

Enjoy it as long as you may live. Treasure it. And truthfully I get it. To me being 45 years old and living outside of Pittsburgh (By a long way) and always seeing the team be a brides made in the 90's and the somewhat unsatisfactory win over the Seattle, Roethlisberger to Holmes will always be the greatest moment in all of sports and it ain't even close.

 

[slashsteel]

Enjoy it as long as you may live. Treasure it. And truthfully I get it. To me being 45 years old and living outside of Pittsburgh (By a long way) and always seeing the team be a brides made in the 90's and the somewhat unsatisfactory win over the Seattle, Roethlisberger to Holmes will always be the greatest moment in all of sports and it ain't even close.

for you obviously sure

for the majority

probably not

 

[steel dino]

Enjoy it as long as you may live. Treasure it. And truthfully I get it. To me being 45 years old and living outside of Pittsburgh (By a long way) and always seeing the team be a brides made in the 90's and the somewhat unsatisfactory win over the Seattle, Roethlisberger to Holmes will always be the greatest moment in all of sports and it ain't even close.

I do absolutely enjoy and treasure it!

Just because the NFL media machine doesn't appreciate that play for what it was truly worth...

Does NOT diminish its significance with me...and that whats most important!

 

[SteelerSask2]

for you obviously sure

for the majority

probably not

Absolutely, but having the most votes makes something a truth for you and them. And I'd really have to venture to say that you would have to be mid 50s or older and from Pittsburgh to feel that way. And Steelernation is a very very large space.

 

[steel dino]

Absolutely, but having the most votes makes something a truth for you and them. And I'd really have to venture to say that you would have to be mid 50s or older and from Pittsburgh to feel that way..

And the problem with that is what?

 

[slashsteel]

Absolutely, but having the most votes makes something a truth for you and them. And I'd really have to venture to say that you would have to be mid 50s or older and from Pittsburgh to feel that way. And Steelernation is a very very large space.

48, 49 in April.

I was watching the Steelers on TV as a child in a log cabin in the country. I turned on the TV in a area of PA. that was considered heavy with Philly fans.

I didn't understand football then. I understood little at that early age. What I did understand was I liked the Steelers. Nobody knew why a adopted child, adopted them as a team. Nobody else I knew liked them.

But everything had to be Steelers. A gift that wasn't was frowned on.

I didn't understand the significance of the immaculate reception then, or what it meant to Pittsburgh.

As I grew older I just learned its significance.

I just appreciate the meaning behind it all.

What little hope many had and hung onto with watching that team grow and succeed.

Perhaps it gave them hope they could grow and succeed, when things looked like bleak and desperate.

I can see the meaning behind football for many... and didn't have to be in my 50's to appreciate it.

I had earlier struggles more than the average, and many then struggled more than the average.

Perhaps for me why I identify with it.

As it holds a special place for me and always will.

Perhaps to many of all ages there is a lot to focus in on why it will be held a little bit higher than later great plays.

Just a lot of emotion tags along with that play

that team.......

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Or are you an old man, and as old men tend to do, remember the good old days as bigger than they were.

Now you just sound like a dumbass.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

48, 49 in April.

I was watching the Steelers on TV as a child in a log cabin in the country. I turned on the TV in a area of PA. that was considered heavy with Philly fans.

I didn't understand football then. I understood little at that early age. What I did understand was I liked the Steelers. Nobody knew why a adopted child, adopted them as a team. Nobody else I knew liked them.

But everything had to be Steelers. A gift that wasn't was frowned on.

I didn't understand the significance of the immaculate reception then, or what it meant to Pittsburgh.

As I grew older I just learned its significance.

I just appreciate the meaning behind it all.

What little hope many had and hung onto with watching that team grow and succeed.

Perhaps it gave them hope they could grow and succeed, when things looked like bleak and desperate.

I can see the meaning behind football for many... and didn't have to be in my 50's to appreciate it.

I had earlier struggles more than the average, and many then struggled more than the average.

Perhaps for me why I identify with it.

As it holds a special place for me and always will.

Perhaps to many of all ages there is a lot to focus in on why it will be held a little bit higher than later great plays.

Just a lot of emotion tags along with that play

that team.......

48 here ... 49 in January. While that youngster from the Philly area was having that magnificent experience, a child of roughly equal age sat watching with his grandfather in a part of Ohio that's roughly 45 miles from "The 'Burgh". In that area of Ohio, there were many more Browns fans than Steelers fans at the time. However, because his grandfather loved the Steelers, that kid loved them from the start. Much to the chagrin of his own father I might add.

Later, when the Steelers started winning lowB repuSs, many of the Browns "fans" started switching allegiances. But, to that kid, and to his older self, those "fans" weren't true fans, they were leaches, hangers on.

As a Petty Officer stationed in Southern Maryland, that kid was able to score two Steelers/Browns tickets. He was honored to return to Ohio, pick up his grandfather and take him to his first ever Steelers game in person. It remained the only Steeleers game that the grandfather saw in person til the day he died and a special memory for me.

Steeler Nation ... We're a diverse, passionate group. We probably all have a story of that moment that answers the question "When did you fall in love with the Steelers". It's a fantastic thing to share.

Now, enough with memory lane ... Come on Steelers, make me some fantastic NEW memories THIS postseason!! Climb that Stairway To Seven!!!

 

[SteelerSask2]

48, 49 in April.

I was watching the Steelers on TV as a child in a log cabin in the country. I turned on the TV in a area of PA. that was considered heavy with Philly fans.

I didn't understand football then. I understood little at that early age. What I did understand was I liked the Steelers. Nobody knew why a adopted child, adopted them as a team. Nobody else I knew liked them.

But everything had to be Steelers. A gift that wasn't was frowned on.

I didn't understand the significance of the immaculate reception then, or what it meant to Pittsburgh.

As I grew older I just learned its significance.

I just appreciate the meaning behind it all.

What little hope many had and hung onto with watching that team grow and succeed.

Perhaps it gave them hope they could grow and succeed, when things looked like bleak and desperate.

I can see the meaning behind football for many... and didn't have to be in my 50's to appreciate it.

I had earlier struggles more than the average, and many then struggled more than the average.

Perhaps for me why I identify with it.

As it holds a special place for me and always will.

Perhaps to many of all ages there is a lot to focus in on why it will be held a little bit higher than later great plays.

Just a lot of emotion tags along with that play

that team.......

Your personal attachment to the play and it's significance to you is indisputable. Its your life and its history. I'm glad you say that you learned its significance later in life because my recollection of being 5 or 6 is Susan C. saying she wanted to marry me in Kindergarten and my Evel Knievel wind up ramp jump set.
Look, you put 10 neutral people in a room show them the plays and explain the relevance to the season. 9 or more are picking Roethlisberger to Holmes. I get you emotional attachment to the play and its impact on your region and childhood. I truly do.
On an emotional level, my sons life long love of the Steelers was cemented for all times with Roethlisberger to Holmes. My oldest is almost 15. Its not an easy time for the two of us. But one thing I know we will always have is the Steelers. We went to Pittsburgh and had a most memorable weekend in the win over the Jets in October. We went absolutely ape **** last night when Brown scored.
But hey this is a great argument to be able to have. If we were our age and cheered for the Browns what would we argue. What tore your heart out more: Elway's Drive or Maddox's comeback. Or Bungles fans: The year we almost beat the Steelers in the playoffs only to have Carson Palmer's knee wrecked.

 

[BLITZ]

if the Steelers had scored less points than the Ravens they would have lost. Tomlin doesnt get it

 

[topseed]

I don't even get where this "Ben was off early" stuff is coming from. He hit Grimble perfectly on the first drive for the TD. On the next drive, we were moving the ball, and on third and short, Bell gets a false start. Becomes third and long, Ben hits AB deep, but the call AB for OPI, made it third and REALLY long, Ben hits Eli for a screen pass that nearly gets the first. He was 6/9 in the first half...yeah we only gave 9 attempts to our HOF QB in the first half.

Move to the bad INT's, first one the TE went the wrong way, Ben threw in, TE just turned around. Second INT, it wasn't a bad pass, it was a bad play. The play fake didn't work, and that play HAS to have the play fake work. The LBers stayed back, Ben put the ball right on the numbers, Mosely was just in position. You could tell Ben never saw him because his back was turned.

Wow, there's been some big-league apologetic explanations for quarterbacks on this board over the years, but these INT excuses for Ben are right up there with the classics.

Your description of INT #1 is incredibly inaccurate. The TE just turned around? What? Ben threw in? Huh? David Johnson faked in, ran an out pattern, and was open before the ball was even released -- Ben just wildly overthrew a four-yard route.

INT #2 wasn't a bad pass? Tell me, if the play fake didn't work, and the linebackers stayed back in position, why did Ben try and force it in there? Yeah, the ball was right on the numbers...Mosely's numbers. Ben stared down James the whole time, and didn't see Mosely, who was indeed in perfect position to pick off a pass that should never have been thrown. It's his job to know where the defenders are, especially after a poor, see-through play fake, and make a better decision.

I like Ben as much as the next guy, but come on. These were two horrible plays that put the Steelers down by ten points. Period.

 

[topseed]

I saw Make Wallace's name brought up, you do realize he was off to one of the best starts by a wr ever right? To bad he had a qb that sucked uh?
I love that we could run the ball, but in the NFL now and with a versatile RB like Bell and the best wr, you use the passing game to set up the run. Tomlin and Haley know how Ben prefers the up tempo passing game, hell they saw in the first game with Baltimore.

As for being off, he wasn't off at all, 6-9 with a throw away in the first half. Ints always suck, but the first one if you watch it, the TE turns and stops, as Ben is throwing, I don't know but it looked like Ben was expecting the TE to run a crossing route.

Watch the first interception again, Tom. Johnson briefly fakes inside, loses Mosely, runs an out, and is open as Ben releases. The ball is just an overthrow.

 

[slashsteel]

Your personal attachment to the play and it's significance to you is indisputable. Its your life and its history. I'm glad you say that you learned its significance later in life because my recollection of being 5 or 6 is Susan C. saying she wanted to marry me in Kindergarten and my Evel Knievel wind up ramp jump set.
Look, you put 10 neutral people in a room show them the plays and explain the relevance to the season. 9 or more are picking Roethlisberger to Holmes. I get you emotional attachment to the play and its impact on your region and childhood. I truly do.
On an emotional level, my sons life long love of the Steelers was cemented for all times with Roethlisberger to Holmes. My oldest is almost 15. Its not an easy time for the two of us. But one thing I know we will always have is the Steelers. We went to Pittsburgh and had a most memorable weekend in the win over the Jets in October. We went absolutely ape **** last night when Brown scored.
But hey this is a great argument to be able to have. If we were our age and cheered for the Browns what would we argue. What tore your heart out more: Elway's Drive or Maddox's comeback. Or Bungles fans: The year we almost beat the Steelers in the playoffs only to have Carson Palmer's knee wrecked.

interesting debate let us poll it and see what the Steeler Nation opinion?

 

[mightyguru]

Sick of the blatant no-calls for AB.